Summary provided by: Sister Mozz
Young Ladies Christian Fellowship (YLCF.org, renamed in 2013 to Kindred Grace) was a website started in 1998 by Gretchen Glaser. Originally an off-shoot of a print newsletter, it eventually moved completely online and became one of the first and most well-known sites dedicated to Christian young ladies. It focused on the innocence and purity of girlhood and was the home of what they titled THE Index of Courtship Stories (http://web.archive.org/web/200607102122 ... p-stories/).
Early in the 2000's, Gretchen's YLCF Team Members grew to include her best friend Natalie Nyquist. The girls addressed each other as "sissy" and pictures of their occasional in-person meetings were highlighted all over the site. Natalie wrote and published "Quest for the High Places: Encouragement for the Waiting Heart" (http://web.archive.org/web/200607102122 ... tthoughts/) in 2005.
Gretchen was married in 2006 to Merritt Acheson, and their wedding was The Event for YLCF that year (http://web.archive.org/web/201205220316 ... n-wedding/)! Gretchen handed over the reigns of YLCF to Natalie, and she began her own blog (The Little Pink House gretchenlouise.com/little-pink-house/, now GretchenLouise.com). At the time of this writing Gretchen has three children and writes on glorious topics such as laundry, rhapsodizing on the joys of wife- and motherhood, while dropping hints that life may not be quite as glorious as she paints it to be.
The Event for YLCF in 2007 was Natalie's marriage to Rick Klein (http://web.archive.org/web/200712242156 ... /klein.htm). Their wedding was in October (http://web.archive.org/web/200710071258 ... .ylcf.org/). Natalie's father officiated their wedding and said that giving his only daughter in marriage was akin to "handing a Stradivarius to a gorilla". Rick seems to have been more of a gorilla than ever imagined, as the couple were separated by January and divorced a few months later.
Natalie spiraled after the divorce. Gretchen took back over at YLCF, commenting on the failure of Natalie's marriage by saying she believed that one day Natalie would find someone else, and she looked forward to dancing at their wedding. Natalie almost completely dropped offline, dealing with depression from the shattering of her much-dreamed-of marriage, and it has been hinted that she dealt with a mental illness even beyond depression during this time.
In late 2008 or early 2009, Natalie met James Ference (jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com/) at their church. After romancing her in whirlwind fashion, and not bothering to tell her he was still married to Wife #3, they made vows to each other and were "married" in April 2009, without telling any of Natalie's family or abundance of friends. Once his divorce was final from Wife #3 that summer, James and Natalie procured their marriage license in July.
Almost without explanation, in April 2009 most of Natalie's writings for YLCF had been scrubbed off the site. In May Natalie posted a statement in response (a link to which can be seen in the comments of this post: everlypleasant.com/2009/05/24/lost-or-just-misplaced/). Questioners have wondered how much about James Ference Gretchen knew to have pulled the plug so quickly, or if their scrubbing of Natalie had to do with the fact that Natalie married James without a courtship and without permission or even knowledge of her family. All ties between Gretchen and Natalie seem to have been severed at the time of Natalie's second marriage.
Natalie and James started their own blog at pursuethebeauty.com, which Natalie still maintains. FreeJinger caught wind that things were fishy with their marriage as early as April 2010 (http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/1589/L ... yle?page=1). Natalie turned a blind eye to anyone who contacted her about what was being posted online about James. The couple welcomed a son in December 2010. In January 2011 Natalie finally had enough suspicions to check out what people were saying, and confronted James about what she read online. They separated that month and divorced later that year through publication, as scumbag James was nowhere to be located.
Natalie came to FreeJinger to answer questions in this long thread: http://freejinger.yuku.com/reply/137292 ... ip-stories. She now occasionally posts on the raptured FJ as well.
After leaving James, Natalie moved to Chicago with her infant son to be near her parents. Her father is currently president of Moody Bible Institute (moody.edu/edu_MainPage.aspx?id=956). She has since converted to Orthodoxy, is taking classes to begin a career, and has taken a pen name under which she plans to eventually publish books.
Other YLCF Team Members back in the Natalie years were Ashleigh Baker (ashleighbaker.net/), who has since had her own world shaken and is unsure about her faith. In one of the FreeJinger threads Ashleigh makes an unwise appearance, accusing Natalie's mental illnesses of skewing her view. Also Lanier Ivester (laniersbooks.com/), Natalie's former "mentor," a childless wife who runs a small farm in her suburban Georgia home. Lanier's writing is wordy but nearly unreadable with its vagueness.
Since Feb. 2013 there have been some significant updates in Natalie's life:
Natalie has left the Orthodox church (http://www.prodigalmagazine.com/i-dont-like-church/). The type of church she currently attends, if she attends anywhere, is unknown.
In April 2013 Natalie revealed that she suffers from both retrograde and anterograde amnesia (http://pursuethebeauty.com/2013/04/21/amnesia-life/).
She graduated with a degree from the University of Chicago and now works as a proofreader for Moody Publishers. Her father is still president of Moody Bible Institute.
While one can no longer find any traces online of the pen name (Natalie Jacobs) she had chosen under which to pursue writing, except for archived snark discussions about it, Natalie is currently active in the process or writing and pitching her book to publishers under her real name. Presumably the book will be titled "Pursue the Beauty," the same as her website, and will focus on young Christian women overcoming life difficulties.
In April 2014 Natalie was published in HuffPo in an article called What It's Like To Be A Twice-Divorced Mom at 28 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/3 ... ir=Divorce). Free Jinger readers felt the article was inherently dishonest because it failed to mention how courtship and the purity culture played a major part in both of her marriages (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21723&hilit=natalie).
Natalie keeps very quiet on the subject of her son (3.5 years old as of this update) and does not publish pictures of him online, which is probably smart considering who is father is.
Speaking of James Ference, he appears to still be living with Wife #5, whom he "married" in a fake ceremony on Oct. 31, 2011 (http://jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com ... hhhhh.html), and then legally married in June 2013 (http://jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com ... up-we.html). The two seem to have had a son around the same time as their legal marriage (viewtopic.php?f=134&t=19607).
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There's a picture of patriarch Duggars birthday party on their fb-page. Some notable MIA-people are Michelle, Jana and Jessa (at least I can't see them). Perhaps they've gone to Laredo?
Damn girl unclench! He ain’t going anywhere! Also Abbie is giving the “Look” to someone or somethingEdited by tabitha2
51 minutes ago, LilMissMetaphor said:
Ok, people are allowed to miss anyone they like after any length of time apart, I get that. But this all just screams enmeshed to me. They were gone a freaking month and a half. At Mary's age I spent a YEAR teaching on the other side of the world. My family hugged me and were happy to see me back. That's normal.
Exactly. Very unhealthily enmeshed. This is a family that lives together, works together, worships together, and goes on vacation to the same place every damn year together. Until they marry, that is. Their siblings are their best friends, and their other friends all seem to be family friends.
Look Maxwell-humpers. We are now up to 82 (well 41 not counting Sarah's responses) brown-nosing comments on Sarah's pissilly defensive and ungracious response to what was apparently a politely phrased question.
The issue is not that Sarah and the other adult children unmarried still live at home. It is that most adult children still living in the parental home demonstrate far more independence and initiative than Sarah Maxwell. They've usually been away to school or college, have their own group of friends, travel and work independently, vacation without their family, and so on.
Every time this comes up we also talk about how it is normal for some adult children to still live with their parents. It is a choice, sometimes an economic choice, and sometimes a cultural choice. It is a choice not limited to Bible-thumping Christians who think they are better and more virtuous than everyone else for living with their parents. You don't have to be a Bible-thumping Christian to love your parents and siblings either.
We know the Maxwells often lie by omission on the blog as Joseph managed to court so secretively.
However, almost every time a nestling flies the coop temporarily there is a huge Maxwellian song and dance about it. Sarah asks for prayers for their dangerous journeys, wails about how much they will be missed, and complains that she has to do extra work. She sounds ridiculous as well as boring and enmeshed.
And what stands out with Sarah is that (according to her own blog) she leads an incredibly restricted life. She has made one solo trip on a plane to help out a friend and her family. And she took one mini-vacation with Jesse when they went kayaking. And she has her own car and may drive her sisters around occasionally. Anna and Mary have been allowed more freedom than Sarah, by the looks of it.
But perhaps not. Perhaps Sarah has kept her busy social life, her multiple solo trips overseas, her attendance at conferences, and her dedicated ministry to deprived inner city youth completely under wraps! What? Please don't tell me that I made all that up.
And Lisa G. Blow it out your dainty rear end you twit.Quote
Sarah, I deeply appreciate your frankness regarding this subject. There is a great deal of talk these days about not telling others how to live, but that conversation comes to a screeching halt when Christians are seen living out our convictions. It stops being a matter of live-and-let-live, and instead becomes a matter of atrocious oppression. Too often, Christians tip-toe around these accusations, hoping to please their critics. I would love to see more young people take the stand you’ve taken in this post.
You wouldn't know "atrocious oppression" if you saw it. Sarah's stand is hardly an act of courage. She was asked reasonable questions on her blog: why didn't she also buy a house herself, and why does she still live with her parents? And in answering it she managed to throw a hissy fit worthy of Steve and sound incredibly defensive.
May God continue to bless you and your parents for your willingness to endure criticism and even answer it.
Excuse me but in what universe do people never have to face criticism and answer it? These Fundies are such sensitive little flowers that even a question about their life-style turns into persecution and oppression that must be endured.
4 hours ago, Screamapillar said:
Seems like they tagged the restaurant that they possibly at ate (Biscuit Love) and then posed for a picture in front of the restaurant across the street (The Pub). This is in the Gulch in Nashville.
Or maybe they didn't even eat at either one and are just using the name of the restaurant to declare that their love is #BiscuitLove.
na they ate there I remember Evan complaining in a story that his chicken for his biscuit was supposed to be spicy and it wasn't. so he got a free plate. then he showed us.
4 hours ago, polecat said:
Cassie quite likely really does believe that she deserved it. And it's going to take some serious therapy to change her mind and help her realize that no, no child ever deserves to be hurt.
@polecat Thank you for your response and explanation about why people do not see the abuse for what it is. I think what makes it even harder is that Lori and Ken had God on their "side". Cassie actually said "It was loving discipline just like God’s discipline." I find this sad and pathetic.
What kind of religion says "your child is essentially willful and selfish" and you need to "beat it out" of them so they can become "Godly" children. What kind of God would encourage this? It seems to me that Fundamentalism is dangerous and has a hateful ideology.