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  1. I can't let this go. I feel like an era of fundie watching is ending and I am a bit at a loss. For years I have snarked on the Maxwell's and their beliefs and now they are gone (or mostly so). In fact pretty much all of the bloggers who initially drew me to FJ are either gone or just post bland pap or MLM stuff. I miss the blogs of the past. I'm not quite sure what to do. None of the "newer" fundies capture my attention the way the older fundies did and I can't discuss politics too much or my blood pressure goes up too high. I want to talk about fundies who think biting into a cheese wrapper is hilarious. I want to watch a fundie wedding where the bride washes the groom's feet or someone tells me that 2 lettuce leaves are enough to feed a family. That is what pulled me into the fundie world and now it feels like that door has closed permanently. I feel like FJ should hold hands around a campfire and sing kumbaya as you would on the last day at camp. 😀
    61 points
  2. It’s that new church! That’s what did it! They say Sarah is very involved with their church now and their pastor recommended the college the girls are attending. Oh man when Steve left the church of the elderly, he didn’t know this would be the result. One good thing came from covid! This is crazy.
    60 points
  3. Hell has frozen over TWICE people! They've talked about Mary and Anna on the blog! AND SARAH HAS HER OWN HOUSE! It does look like the blog will be coming to an end.
    57 points
  4. I mean, as someone who has had to take care of her nieces and nephews during many family crises, I think it's a bit off to judge that only a few hours here and there isn't that bad. Any time given was an enormous sacrifice, and an enormous help. The Maxwells have never been open as to exactly how much the sisters help- that doesn't mean it wasn't substantial. Being a crisis caregiver isn't just hard because of the amount of time you do or do not commit to. It's hard because of the unexpected immediate deprivation of your schedule and needs, and the emotional state of the kids/adults you are now taking care of. I also don't subscribe to the belief that all women love to take care of children, or feel rewarded in doing so. They may be willing to help, but they may not get any warm/fuzzy feeling in doing so. Over the years I've seen a lot of toxic comments on this board implying that the Maxwell sisters helping their family is no big deal because they don't have a career and are not married. They didn't owe their brothers a minute of their time- so any time given was a gift and a sacrifice. Even if their help was only "in a pinch"- if it was crucial, it was certainly not insignificant.
    56 points
  5. Sarah, I am so PROUD OF YOU! May your home be filled with friends, may your burritos contain the protein of your choosing, and may your cup of Pepsi run over with contentedness.
    55 points
  6. You come by to check in casually on John and Chelsy's baby girl and you just happen to click on this thread and people, I was not ready. College. Knees. West Virginia. I am completely shook.
    55 points
  7. Agree. I think it's the best ending that could have happened. I expected it to just peter out and we'd never hear from them again at some point. The last few posts make it like the end of a TV drama. Happy birthday Mary! Maddy is Home! Anna Marie is in remission! Everyone has left home! Boom! I'm so happy that Sarah has her own home at last.
    52 points
  8. This is not real. It cannot be real. We are living in a parallel universe and something has gone really wrong.
    52 points
  9. Sarah has done the most shocking thing of all of them. No-one has lived without an accountability partner before. even Steve and Teri went from being single students to being married in college. She's gone and trumped all of them!
    51 points
  10. No one has mentioned the biggest news -- the FJ server seems to be holding up okay during this news reveal!
    50 points
  11. OMG, and Rufus Bless. The Maxwell’s have entered 2021, and they have no more kids living in their home (OR NEWSFLASH, otherwise). Yes, Sarah has her own home and has moved out. I wonder what the catalyst was? Good for ALL of them. Clean your own damn ceilings fans!
    44 points
  12. I’m very happy for the girls. However I admit I’m annoyed that when interesting things start to happen, the blog is mostly shutting down. I want to see her new house! I want to know what they are doing in college!
    43 points
  13. They say that Anna and Mary went to college at their pastor’s recommendation. I have to wonder if the leadership/pastor at their new church has gently encouraged some of these changes and moving away from their unhealthy enmeshment. And maybe Sarah will meet someone at church, which would be amazing for her. We know she wants a husband and family of her own. What’s next? Arndts getting married?
    43 points
  14. I regret to inform you that this picture of the cafeteria from the ABC website appears to depict a Coca-Cola brands vending machine.
    43 points
  15. For years the Maxwell's did nothing but blogged on nonetheless. Now, exciting changes are happening and the blog is ending. I'd love to hear how Anna, Mary and Sarah are doing. I'd love to see Sarah's new house. I have questions about how they navigated these changes. I'd like to know how the practice their religion now. So many questions. I WANT CLOSURE!
    41 points
  16. And maybe started to see that the things they feared so much weren't so awful. They probably thought if they lived on their own without their daddy's protection they'd turn into Satan worshippers on the spot, but got invited to the homes of other young single women who had cute apartments with tiny pumpkins, latte foam art, and fuzzy comfy socks with nary a hint of demonic involvement.
    40 points
  17. 40 points
  18. Cannot find the adequate gif or meme to express my absolutely dumbfounded face. Holy freaking processed cheese on a clearance cracker.
    40 points
  19. I'm so happy for Sarah. We can never truly know, but she seems to like peace and quiet . She must love having her own house, just her and her dog. I'm glad Steve acknowledged all the work Sarah has done for his ministry.
    40 points
  20. I'm so happy to read the news about Sarah (Anna and Mary too, but especially Sarah. Also, I normally would not consider "going to Bible College good news, but for them, it's definitely one of the best possible outcomes, and I'm happy for them.) Sarah has always reminded me of my mom (minus the religious part): She lived at home until her 30s (my grandparents really just liked having her around, and my mom is super shy and cautious) while she went to college and worked as a teacher, and then one day was kind of like "I want my own life!" so she got her own car (a brand new mustang at that!) and moved out one weekend while my grandparents were visiting family (they knew she was planning on it, she just chose that weekend because she knew it would be hard for them). Then, right before she turned 40 she met my dad and had me and my sister. To this day, she's pretty happy and successful. My aunt had always told me that NO ONE expected that to happen: the whole family thought she would just live at home forever. I always suspected that if my mom could do it, Sarah could too, and I'm so glad that she did!
    39 points
  21. It means she wanted to move out & live on her own and Steve is trying to make it all godly & shit. I'm not being sarcastic. He god-ifies things like that a lot. It's pretty standard when he doesn't want to tell the truth, which is usually...he/she/they wanted to.
    37 points
  22. Now I will never know how to cut lettuce with the pizza slicer. 😭😭😭
    37 points
  23. When you have a head injury you end up talking to not just neurologists, but social workers, nurses, all kinds of people, about your life and what you do. I wonder if someone at the hospital reacted in an obvious ‘omg you are SO weird’ way or if someone actually said something to Sarah - like about how great her life skills were and how well she managed things. I’m so happy for them and I’m glad that they will stay connected to their family and not be kicked to the curb or anything without support. Because as wonderful as these changes may be - and they are FANTASTIC- the past decades have left these women at least somewhat emotionally stunted. These changes will be *hard work* for them. When I moved out on my own at 31 it was hard. When I moved into my own apartment 5 years later it was hard. No matter how prepared you think you are, situations come up when you’d really just rather be back home, and home isn’t where you are right then, darn it. End of an era, indeed. Where’s our look-back episode with numerous musical montages? Interviews with the participants? Secrets told, jokes and plot points explained? If this was tv I’d say, well, there’s alway fanfic, but not here. So, so weird. I feel like I shouldn’t be emotional about this family that *I don’t even know* but I do. I want to tell real-life friends and family about this so much, but I can’t. So it’s just us now. And the night is dark and full of cicadas singing and the smell of pine. We are sitting on logs around a campfire, singing, as the fire is slowly dying down.
    37 points
  24. It’s those reversal kids. Steve’s sperm after the vasectomy was obviously the rebellious kind.
    36 points
  25. Hell has truly frozen over, and the pigs are flying. Anna and Mary in college! Sara moved out and told her parents she doesn’t want to do the blog! Steve admits that some of the married kids don’t want to be featured on the blog and that Sara works for a living and doesn’t just write Moody books. One of your sons marries a worldly movie watching pants wearing Bontrager. Then comes a pandemic. You let your daughters go to church. Next thing you know you have to do your own cooking, clean your own house, and keep track of your own book sales. I am guessing that Gigi is secretly thrilled to see her granddaughters get a life at last, and I sure am as well.
    36 points
  26. Even if they just did a once a month update, I would appreciate it. Because I really would like to see Sarah’s house. I would also like to know if AM’s cancer stays in remission. I would also like to know if Jesse and Anna have a baby this year or next. And I would like to know their plans once the girls graduate.
    36 points
  27. Are they trying to give us all heart attacks?! And go, Sarah, go!!!
    36 points
  28. SARAH HAS A HOUSE! SHE HAS A LIFE! (OK, maybe it's an apartment or a condo but whatever it is, it's hers & she is out of the fathership)! And when she goes to bed at night it is in her own room and she won't be reading to her sister's in their bunk beds. This is why Steve never wanted them in an actual church before. They go to one, and look, "the girls" get involved in ministry & go to college at the recommendation of their pastor and Sarah gets a life and real work (even if it is for her brothers; to get a house she has to be making a livable wage) and is involved with the church - - - all that church involvement led their daughters to finally grow up and get lives! I am shocked, but I have to admit, thrilled for all three of "the girls". Lives. Futures they dictate, not their father. Their days spent doing what works for them, not what works for their parents. Holy crap, I had the vapors with the college news - now they're back & am dizzy to boot!
    35 points
  29. What I'm enjoying thinking about is -- Sarah had reasons to move out. I mean, she didn't move out like most of us did, "just because that's what you do", or she would have moved out twenty years ago. No, some thing or things about living at home were not acceptable or agreeable to her, so she moved out in order to address those things. I think that's pretty significant -- A & M moved away because they were going TO something, namely, Bible college. But Sarah moved OUT not to go TOWARD something, at least not that we know about. She moved out to get AWAY from whichever aspects of the Stevehovah household she didn't want to play along with anymore. I think that's exciting and a big deal in terms of her possibilities for the future.
    34 points
  30. #1.) It is obvious Steve reads here since he specifically mentioned many things we have said. #DamageControl #HiStevie! For what it's worth, Steve, I am proud of you for admitting that things have changed. Change happens in most families. And I am happy to see you publicly acknowledge that some of your "adult children" have asked for privacy on the blog (also all of your children are adults, so......). #2.) Regarding Sarah moving out, many places do not update their home records right away so not having a house listed in her name on the county site now may not mean she didn't buy a house. If she just moved this weekend she probably just closed on it (if she did purchase as opposed to rent). I suspect the reason Steve added the info about Sarah is because he knows the internet will easily find out (after all, he kept mum about the college thing until it got exposed online). Again, #DamageControl #3.) Another reason I think this update was #DamageControl is he posted it right after the Anna Marie update (which was great news). So this bombshell just overshadowed the good news. No way this was planned. #4.) His comment about not having comments on the blog make me think there is probably more interesting Maxnews that has not been exposed yet and he is terrified of it being posted as a comment. #5.) I still think there is a lot more to this story. Lots more. #6.) Snarking aside, I hope we will still get some updates from time to time on the Maxwell's. This is one family I have always liked, even if I didn't always agree with them.
    34 points
  31. I wrote the following a couple of days ago. Not sure why it did not get posted. When I wanted to comment about Sarah moving out there was my old post. I was pretty sure the pastor has had some influence. I am glad. I wanted to jump back on here with a thought now that I am considered credible 😉. I am wondering if the girls experience and friends at their new church may have had something to do with the change. I know the pastors and quite a few people who go there and it is nothing like the way Steve has raised his family. The pastor has daughters and they are all educated and strong christian women. I am so happy for M&A and their new chance at life away from the compound. I have not ran into any of the Maxwell tribe for quite a few years. Last time I did they were painfully awkward and it made me sad for their children.
    34 points
  32. Because the blog may no longer be available here are the screenshots of this incredible change of events. And come on Ardnts, you can move on too!! Adding the words Sarah moved out blog post to my post so we can find it later when we have to find it for some reason.
    33 points
  33. Really good news on the Max Blog: Anna Marie is in remission from her cancer. She looks great. Less good news: Young Joshua has already learned the art of manspreading. Did Steve teach him that?
    33 points
  34. Right? Like there needs to be a warning to sit down and read this thread. What if someone was walking along, minding their own business while reading this thread, and bam! Max girls are in college. That’s dangerous!
    33 points
  35. A lot of assumptions are being made here, as usual 😉
    33 points
  36. After a lifetime of indoctrination, questioning the small things is a big step toward questioning the big things. If it's OK for Chelsy to wear jeans, why is it not OK for Sarah to do so? She had to have wondered. Chelsy is good enough to marry into the family, she must be godly, so it no longer computes that wearing jeans is ungodly. Once that question is raised, it's naturally going to be followed by other ones - eventually leading to "well why can't I go to college" and "why can't I live on my own". I know every single time a fundie woman is seen wearing pants there's a rush of "wow! Progress!" followed by a shower of "Ugh, it's just pants. She's still awful and patriarchal and fundie." and yeah, that's true. But baby steps are still steps. Jill Duggar didn't go from dad's house straight into getting a nose ring and sending her kids to school. It took several years and lots of baby steps - and missteps - along the way. (And therapy, which I think all these people need! But even that takes steps, if you've been told your whole life just to pray and everything will be great.) I think a lot of this has been happening over time, and the Maxwells have just finally decided they can't hide it anymore. But I don't expect Sarah to run right out and get a tattoo and spend a few weeks on a Mexican beach in a bikini. It'd be great if she felt free to do that, but I think she's still taking the steps away from the legalistic rules her parents enforced.
    32 points
  37. Okay, I think everybody is jumping the gun because of legalese right now but to my reading of these raw files, the government is not claiming they have evidence of production at all. Re: Scar Quote; Just says images, not CSAM images. Could be indicating just that this phone was used to take pictures of Josh that prove to us he has had the phone in his possession. Images of his coffee, etc. They do need to assert that it is Josh's phone he was using, because it contains data that backs up his presence at the car lot at the time of CSAM file downloads. Such a photo would be enough to make the hand images evidentiary (they physically tie him to being the one using this phone during this period) but not enough to bring a production charge. From Plea Deal Emails; A sentence guideline for possession of CSAM with all enhancements is ~10 years. The minimum for production of CSAM is 15 years. There's no way the government would say, essentially, "if you do not accept the plea deal, we will bring charges of production against you which is 10 years" when they know the minimum is 15 years. The last line is the worst kicker her for my explanation, but they indicate they had calculated the enhancement guideline sentence and somebody who would or could calculate such a guideline period would know the minimums for these charges. It's not that I don't think Josh wouldn't be horrible, it's that I think if the government already had evidence that he had, it would be clear and not vague in the Denial Re: Hands/Feet document and I think if they had evidence he had produced CSAM, we would have seen the charge filed after the plea deal was turned down. The plea deal emails date back to March of this year, so they're not very new. WOCAB is also jumping the gun and not very carefully reading this documents either. Dropping these on a Friday makes sense for a publicized case because it slows down the journalists that would have time to comb through it properly. If somebody who can analyze it properly posts, that's one thing, but WOCAB is notoriously unreliable and full of misinformation.
    32 points
  38. Words can’t express how happy I am for Sarah. Even if she’s simply renting an apartment from one of her brothers, this will open so many horizons for her. i can’t imagine where she got the courage after all these years. Sarah reminds me a bit of a dearly beloved aunt, who lived with her parents until she was 40ish, leaving only when they were forced into smaller housing as my grandmother’s health declined. Her life remained small, but she was able to remain independent until her own health deteriorated. She never married, took devoted care of her parents as they aged, and was the family connector, the one person who all the siblings were always on speaking terms with and who kept track of a huge extended family. Her nieces and nephews all adored her and she had a wide circle of friends. Sarah seems to occupy a similar position in the Maxwell family. I’m sure she’ll continue to see the family every day, but even a small bit of separation is enormous,
    32 points
  39. I’m unreservedly delighted that these stunted women have been let go. Damn that took strength I didn’t know Sarah had. Good for her for choosing something else. The smugness with which Steve always said the girls would live there until a spouse magically appeared, work at home, study at home… I am so amazed they had the ability to do it. Steve’s post is more transparent than I expected, TBH. I wonder if they’ll scrub the blog of some of the things he’s turned out to be wrong-ish about.
    32 points
  40. I bet Steve looked into it and made the decision to let them attend based on it being a Coke campus, not a Pepsi campus.
    32 points
  41. I think some version of this is it. The more they got involved at this church, the more Sarah, Anna and Mary realized how truly bizarro planet their life was compared to other Christian women their age, and they decided they'd had enough.
    31 points
  42. Part of me wonders if Sarah finally got married and chose to keep it private. Steve mentioned that several of the children wanted to be private and Sarah has always kept herself somewhat in the background, so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if she was one who just had enough. It really does seem like the reversals all chose to step back once they were married, which makes me think they were over it as well long before they were on their own. If Sarah did get married, good for her. If she didn’t and she moved out as a single woman, good for her as well. In fact, even better. I’ll be that Anna and Mary probably had a lot to say to their pastor and a lot of unhappiness and frustration came pouring out. I just can’t see how a mere recommendation would have held that much weight without something to back it up. If the pastor was a sympathetic ear, which seems to be the case, Anna and Mary probably felt safe having him as their advocate to be the one to hit Steve with some hard truths. It had to have been a major blow to Steve’s ego since what the girls have done goes against everything he’s been preaching for the past 20+ years.
    31 points
  43. I'm a veterinarian and I don't meet adoption requirements in many of the rescues I talked to when we wanted a cat. So who exactly is adopting from them? Animal control gladly gave me a cat who had been hit by a car. Some (re)assembly required. He's my best boy and my husband knows it.
    31 points
  44. Does ABC allow its students to drink Pepsi? THAT is the real question here.
    31 points
  45. She's 39/40, not 70. Instagram has been around for 11 years and doesn't at least one of her sister in laws have one? Let's not ship her off to the retirement community just yet.
    30 points
  46. They carefully worded it as the Lord led her to move out and in that original post she said He hadn’t yet. Honestly I suspect the new church has been more influential than we thought possible.
    30 points
  47. So this really bothers me. I was baptized as an infant in my the Lutheran church several members of my family belonged to. My parents aren't very religious but I always connected to religion much more than they did. In high school I attended a friend's evangelical church and the pastor put a big emphasis on baptism after you "accepted Christ as your lord and savior" by praying a very specific prayer (any evangelicals or ex-vangelicals will know what I mean). Because I prayed this prayer and developed my own sense of God as a teen, my pastor convinced me to be rebaptized, which I did at 18, just before leaving for college. My parents weren't happy, feeling like it was a rejection of them and of my aunt and uncle who were my godparents. I didn't see it that way but felt like it was what God wanted. Twenty years later, still a Christian but back to the "mainline" Protestant realm, I see this as a control move. The pastor could have seen all my past religious experiences as a whole and as building toward my particular understanding of God, but instead imposed a binary of our way is better than their way. Multiple mainline pastors have said to me that this evangelical pastor distorted the idea of baptism and should have only insisted on it if I'd never been baptized at all. And in my view, this is one more controlling dick-move on Jeremy's part, preying on Jinger's insecurities to mold her into what he thinks she should be. But I wouldn't expect anything less from him.
    30 points


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