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Place for discussion about Laura Ingalls Wilder and all of those Of Laura, Little House on the Prairie, the books, the tv show, the made for tv movies, her biographies, et all.

  1. What's new in this club
  2. You guys...we have a whole club dedicated to Laura Ingalls Wilder and LHOP....come join us, we're delightful!
  3. 1 That makes sense because the winters were so brutal they wouldn't want those kids walking to school. 2 to this day whenever I hear Calico I think of a cat I don't know whose fault it is Laura Wilder or Beverly Cleary (the author of a children ’s book Socks) (about cats) 3 Laura and Mary were overworked children, no wonder why Laura started writing she probably needed to get off her feet! 4, no I'd say you definitely weren't.
  4. 1. In On The Banks of Plum Creek, Mary and Laura go to school in the summer. I know this was before standardized school terms, and according to Pioneer Girl, even Rose Wilder Lane wrote her mother to ask “Was there really school in the summertime?” 2. I remember being confused about terms such as “calico,” “lawn,” and “boughten”(it took me way longer than it should have to figure out that it meant store-bought, and not homemade). I really wished there was a glossary. 3. Also in On The Banks of Plum Creek , when Laura and Mary begin driving the family cow to meet the herd boy in the morning and bringing her back home at night, it says “Now Laura and Mary has chores to do.” I used to think, “But what about the things they were already doing—making beds, washing dishes, sweeping the floors?” Apparently, that was housework, and totally different. 4. Last but not least, when Mr. Edwards told the story of Santa Claus riding a pack mule, was I the only one who thought “But where were his reindeer?” 😛
  5. smittykins

    Their Harsh Winters

    Especially that one weekend when Almanzo had to keep breaking the ice off the horses’ noses and they could’ve easily frozen to death. 🥶
  6. As a kid I was so struck by her descriptive powers, especially of the winters. On days like this where I am trying to drag myself out of the house to go to work with slushy, terrible roads I always think of how Almanzo traveled 12 miles each way to get her in the brutal cold when she was teaching, so she wouldn't have to stay with those horrible people over the weekend. There is a lot of idealization in the books, but one thing that it did honestly showcase is the struggle for basic survival. Just the daily grind to keep a family warm, fed, and clothed in brutal weather...no wonder sping was such a time of celebration. Yes, I am writing this when I should be leaving for work but the roads suck and my house is so warm. Welcome to all our new members!
  7. smittykins

    Books vs TV Series

    I believe I read that the producers of the TV series only had rights to the original story up to a certain point, so everything after that was fictional by necessity.
  8. In the first season, it seemed like they at least tried to include stories from the books. After that, they didn't even try. I didn't like that they had Laura chasing Almanzo. Their courtship from the book was much more interesting and believable.
  9. Yes to all of this. Though it's been years and years since I've seen the show so I might be misremembering things, some stuff really annoyed me: The lack of consistency in the Albert storyline bugged me too. At the end of one episode, Laura did a voice over and mentioned that years later when Albert came home it was as Dr Albert Ingalls. But then later in one of the specials, he came home to die from some random illness. So he never became a doctor. And not only did Mary get married but she had a baby who died in a fire. And her husband regained his sight in a freak accident. Once he became a lawyer they moved back to walnut grove for a bit while he tried to practice law and they rented a single room to live in. What the heck did she do all day sitting in a room while her husband was working? It seems like once all the horrible things happened, they just sort of ran out of ideas for her character. I loved the books and read them multiple times. The series was OK but I never really viewed it as a comparison to the books. They were two completely separate entities in my opinion.
  10. GreyhoundFan

    Books vs TV Series

    I despise the character of Albert. In fact, I despise the concept of the character, who was the embodiment of jumping the shark. The Ingalls family was so poor that they didn’t have food far too often, yet they take in orphaned St. Michael junior. I think not. I also hated Mary getting married and starting the blind school. In real life, Mary went to the school for the blind, came home, and sat in Ma’s parlor, doing beadwork and needlework for the rest of her life. I’ve seen some of her work, which is displayed at Ma and Pa’s final house in DeSmet. She did travel to see Carrie in the Black Hills via train once. I realize that the series needed a regular supporting cast that would be familiar to the audience, but in the books, and in real life, people moved all the time.
  11. I saw very little of the series, so I can’t compare much, but one thing that stood out for me even back on the 1980s was that pretty much the entire TVs series took place in Walnut Grove, which was On The Banks Of Plum Creek, not LHOTP. I have only vague recollections of the TV movie, at least I assume that’s what it was. I saw it once in the 70s or early 80s, and it had all different actors, but it seemed to more closely resemble LHOTP the book.
  12. Okay, so what, to you, stands out in differences between the Book Series and the TV Series? As a kid who saw the made for TV movie before she knew it was a book series, then found the books in 5th grade (after parental divorce and a move to a new town/school district and I was isolated and a bit of a weird outcast) and became obsessed with them. So by the time the tv series came along, I was excited and yet had some gripes at the tv series progressed. And more gripes as an adult. I was annoyed as a kid that they didn't follow the books. Meaning dang it Mary and scarlet fever and the hair cut. And Oh sure she went blind. But what about south dakota and the railroad and excuse me The Long Winter was my favorite and totally skipped. Everything about Albert Ingalls The episode where Laura puts apples down her dress for boobs.
  13. And then she felt bad about taking the doll back, as if she’d stolen it, even though the other girl had thrown it away (yes, the other little girl was portrayed as a bit of a brat; she had demanded to play with Laura’s doll and then refused to give it back at the end of her mother’s visit). It did make me feel better that Ma just helped clean and repair the doll, and didn’t make Laure feel worse for taking it home.
  14. Off the top of my head Twisting hay to burn for heat. And for some odd reason - When Laura was guilted into giving her doll to a younger child with horrible behavior (either her or her parents) and then finding the doll later toss aside in a mud puddle or something. The Long Winter remains my favorite of all the books in the series.
  15. GreyhoundFan

    The scenes that stay with you

    For me, the Jack going missing scene really hit me hard, both as a child, and on re-readings. When they were first in Kansas, and truly in the middle of nowhere, I always think about how afraid I'd be with nobody who could help in a crisis within miles. The Long Winter also really gets to me. The sense of feeling trapped is hard to take. I've mentioned before that I got to go see many of the LIW sites. All were wonderful, but DeSmet is fascinating. I would encourage anyone who loves LHOP to try and go. You get to go into the Surveyor's House, where they spent the Long Winter. Just standing in that tiny kitchen, where they all spent months, is quite powerful.
  16. I just finished reading the old thread and some of my favorite posts were people talking about the scenes that stayed with them. Since we have a different batch of posters, for the most part, from the original 2012 thread I'm curious... Which parts itched that part of your brain in such a satisfying way that they stayed with you? For me a couple immediately spring to mind: I think of Laura and her delight over her bread plate whenever I get my holiday platters out. And when I put groceries away each week more often than not I think of how pleased she was to have stocked coffers with flour and sugar, etc. Ma making donuts. The fear and grief when Jack was missing from the creek crossing and the tremendous relief when he returned, both book and series. I know ML could be cheesy as all get out but when he said he only said that about needing a watchdog out of guilt for not putting him in the wagon …heartstrings tugged. How happy the girls were with the very humble gifts Mr. Edwards brought them from Santa. "We each got our own cups now!" Laura and Pa's hands cut with from twisting hay and the snow coating the nails on the inside of the roof in the Long Winter. The Christmas barrel in the Long Winter. I could feel in her writing the utter joy is having some small luxuries after so much deprivation.
  17. hoipolloi

    Pa and Pioneer Girl

    IIRC, Charles and Caroline were one of two or three pairs of married siblings from their two families. Their ages at marriage (Caroline at 20-21 & Charles at 24) don't seem out of line though I do not know what average ages at marriage were for 1860. It is interesting to me that Charles somehow evaded fighting on the Union side for the Civil War. He was certainly of age to enlist or be conscripted, and not ill or otherwise physically unable to serve. OTOH, Caroline had a brother who died in the Civil War. I will say that I was absolutely delighted with Caroline Fraser's open disgust for Michael Landon (and his bare chest & abs) as Pa. My sentiments exactly. Oh, and thank you @HerNameIsBuffy for starting this club!
  18. catlady

    Pa and Pioneer Girl

    I wonder whether Pa felt pressured to conform by settling down and marrying when he did. His inclination to wander around the country makes me wonder if he would have been happier staying single and following his pursuits on his own terms. I recall reading that he had wanted to keep going west and see the Pacific Ocean. I don't know whether he ever took a trip to the coast, but Ma had finally put her foot down and insisted that DeSmet was their final home; she was not moving anymore.
  19. HerNameIsBuffy

    Pa and Pioneer Girl

    And more than once moved them out of town to escape debts he'd run up. I want to apologize for the redundancy. I had been gone for a while and just realized the thread that kicked this off was so long and talked about this very thing. TWOP rule of reading back the last 15 pages before commenting was a good one! Sorry guys!
  20. clueliss

    Pa and Pioneer Girl

    It hadn't struck me until reading this (and the associated thread here) that the man was antsy pantsy and forced his whole family to move repeatedly across the country to fulfill his whims.
  21. I'll kick this off...Did anyone find their opinion of Charles change significantly after reading Pioneer Girl? Mine did. All people are multifaceted and of course she idealized him in her children's series, but I came away thinking if we were around with FJ back then we'd be calling Pa on his grifting - even for the time. As a daddy's girl myself I get idealizing your father and glossing over the flaws...but I think he was selfish and reckless ...and his morals seemed to shift with his ulterior motives. Not an evil man just super flawed. Doesn't help that Michael Landon made him into the most perfect Mary Sue who ever Mary Sued on the small screen.
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