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Geneaology is fun - found an very dead, very old, moderately famous relative



I'd like to introduce you all to Uncle, Cousin, or Granddad Otzi...

Spoiler because he's not very handsome in this pic.  But there is definitely a family resemblance …. I think it's the eyes.





Ötzi, also called the Iceman, is the natural mummy of a man who lived between 3400 and 3100 BCE, discovered in September 1991 in the Ötztal Alps (hence the nickname "Ötzi") on the border between Austria and Italy.

Ötzi is believed to have been murdered, due to the discovery of an arrowhead embedded in his left shoulder and various other wounds. The nature of his life and the circumstances of his death are the subject of much investigation and speculation.

He is Europe's oldest known natural human mummy, offering an unprecedented view of Chalcolithic (Copper Age) Europeans. His body and belongings are displayed in the South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology in Bolzano, South Tyrol, Italy.




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Someone should start making cute little stuffed dolls based on this guy. Then they could sell Ötzi on Etsy.

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That would be less creepy than lose living dolls

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This is super cool. It's definitely a fun fact!

In my head the LDS owns all geneology, and therefore Otzi has been retroactively baptized mormon. 

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    • 3 hours ago, thoughtful said:

      I don't think I made it clear in my post, but that wasn't new - it was the way he originally told the story, right after it happened, and I did post that quote when I recapped the first time.  So we've heard it at least twice now, and I think even more - I've lost track, since I hear a lot of the same things over and over from Gary.

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      Interestingly, while the Navajo folks he's met get their racist crap in the form of jokes, I think Gary differentiates with his other racism. As far as I can tell, in his mind, "Spanish people" (by which I know he means anyone who is from a Latino culture) and "Chahnese" (by which, I figure, he means all Asians) are OK but sort of puzzling. As long as they are "saved," keep cooking for him, and don't give him any guilt about what a racist shit he is, he's fine with them, but  I don't think he sees them as people.

      Black people are in a whole other category to him, I  think - sort of scary, and way too demanding, with their expectation that their lives matter. It seems like something in his experience has managed to get through his thick skull that he shouldn't joke about them, at least not while preaching, the way he still does about indigenous people. That's the only thing about his attitude that actually surprises me - Gary strikes me as the type to have and use a whole repertoire of Stepin Fetchit stereotypes from decades ago.

      Becky's posting the video of that horrifying William Grady sermon makes me think they both feel that European people were literally God's gift to the world.

      But Gary claims anyone residing in the US is part of "his people," and he wants to bring us all to Jesus.

      Bite me, Gary.

      For those able to get HBO, the mini-series "Exterminate All the Brutes" is excellent.  I binge-watched it last night.  I'd like to tie Gary to a chair and make him watch it over and over again until he understood it.  White supremacy is deep-rooted and lethal.

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      On 4/9/2021 at 8:34 AM, Xan said:

      God continues to tell Gary to get off the road and Gary continues refuse to listen.


      I have to admit that I am enjoying the fact that Gary's bargain "trail" is such a piece of crap that he has to keep repairing it.


      (Buffing my nails on my shirt.) @Four is Enough and I were right when we were snarking about the lack of roadworthiness of Gary's van and trailer. 


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      Another good podcast is Straight White American Jesus, with Bradley Onishi and Dan Miller.

      They do several podcasts a week, often with guests. Their comments & insights are excellent, and they pull no punches.

    • Jasmar


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