On 4/15/2024 at 8:47 AM, Bassett Lady said:

I am not going to criticize your view, but I will share another view that may help clarify. 
 

Everyone grieves differently. Having personally lost 7 pregnancies, whatever the grieving family does that helps them through the pain, while not hurting anyone else,  is fine by me. 
 

I also understand why some people bring up the technicalities because the technicalities can shape how the grieving family experiences the loss. 
 

For my 7 losses, some were past 20 weeks and therefore officially a stillbirth. In each of those cases I was given a death certificate. For my losses that were before 20 weeks a death certificate was not issued. 
 

I found their lives being recognized, legally, a great comfort. For my losses that were before 20 weeks, the lack of official recognition was difficult, especially when I still had to go through labor and delivery or have a D&C. 
 

When I had still births the hospital offered a professional photographer if we wanted to have pictures. I found a great deal of comfort in taking those photographs. 
 

I never wanted to share them with anyone else, but Jill may have found taking the photos a very cathartic experience and she may look at those photos and feel peace. 
 

If she finds solace in them she may want to share them with others. 
 

When we took photos of our still children I wasn’t grieving, yet. 
 

I was in awe of tiny hands,  little perfect ears, and looking for family traits. (I lost a little girl whose second toe was longer than her big toe, just like me and my maternal grandmother.)
 

The grieving, for me, came later. When I had to leave my babies, then the grieving began. 
 

I have no Idea of what Jill was feeling while she took those photos or why she shared them, but I can understand why people take the photos and why some want to share them. 
 

My grief changed me. I became a more humble person. I give people the benefit of the doubt more easily. I am also keenly aware that my way is not the only way. 

 

oh babe, 

so amazingly expressed. I'm tearing up at work.

How proud your angel babies must be of their awesome Mum, who despite tragedy has grown in grace and compassion. 

Sending you some lovely ju ju to you.  

5 hours ago, Angelface said:

If Jill lost the baby close to when they posted about then it would have been 141 days until 31st August, so 20 weeks gestation if the baby was actually due on the last day of August but more than 20 weeks if the due date was earlier in August. 

I think they probably sat on this for a while before announcing.

On 4/14/2024 at 4:14 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I think Rusty Thomas took his teen son to a similar place or the same place in Tiajuana instead of conventional treatment. And the boy ended up dying. It was very sad. And unfortunately that probably what will end up in this instance too. 

Yes, but when that didn't work, off they went to MD Anderson Cancer Center, an leading cancer treatment and research hospital in Houston. The son did pass away there.  MD Anderson accepts all cancer patients, even if they can't pay. 

I'm so sorry this family is choosing has been led by God to this Tijuana medical scam.  They could take that money and get their loved one to a place like MD Anderson and get cutting edge treatment, but that may not at all change the final outcome.  

Several decades ago, when a  relative was diagnosed with terminal melanoma that had already metastasized to the brain, there was this initial mindset that SOMETHING COULD MAKE THIS GO AWAY!  Isn't there something we can do? How can this be happening?  So I do understand their mindset, feeling that there must be something, anything that will offer hope.  Of course, that relative had surgery to remove the brain metastases,  palliative care and finally hospice and we all came to accept it. 

10 minutes ago, Ozlsn said:

Some I think are true believers that have found the One Weird Trick, and believe passionately that They are withholding knowledge from you for nefarious purposes. Ian Gawler is a true believer, and new evidence even about his own case have done literally nothing to change his belief system. The ones running full blown clinics in less regulated areas are the ones I suspect of being most cynical - but after all, they don't see the dying, who go home to die there. 

I think people who work at the clinic may just be working a job like any other. Like the nurses who probably don’t get paid that well. They are just doing their job. They probably aren’t thinking that hard about it and I don’t blame them. But the people who run it probably tell themselves a lot of things. Like, “I’m giving them hope. They are so happy. Look how much better they are feeling (placebo effect).”

2 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

You have to lie to yourself to keep doing this every day. You have to convince yourself you are helping in some way. People lie to themselves all the time in order to do immoral things. 

Some I think are true believers that have found the One Weird Trick, and believe passionately that They are withholding knowledge from you for nefarious purposes. Ian Gawler is a true believer, and new evidence even about his own case have done literally nothing to change his belief system. The ones running full blown clinics in less regulated areas are the ones I suspect of being most cynical - but after all, they don't see the dying, who go home to die there.