16 hours ago, Iamtheway said:
I think I might be a bit fundie. Like atheist, socialist fundie. Or I might just be stubborn and smallminded ...
Their life seems exhausting.
Hmm... I think it depends. Are you:
- Of the opinion that your views are the only valid ones?
- Willing to use legislation as a way to force your views onto other people who may or may not agree with you?
I think both those need to have a Yes answer in order for me to personally classify anyone as a Fundie. Or at least the second one needs to be a yes - but I feel like that first one is kind of always a Yes if the second one is.
Additionally, I think there are other aspects to consider too. I mentioned before that advocating for your right to live a healthy and full life is different in my opinion than someone who just wants to force others to think and/or act like they do. So to use your Atheist example:
Someone who believes Atheism is what’s best for them personally or is best for humanity in general isn’t necessarily a Fundie. Someone who believes Atheism is best for humanity AND is willing to force that view onto others by supporting legislation that outlaws all religion is a Fundie though. Or, when it concerns hormonal birth control, personally being opposed to it is different than advocating for all hormonal birth control to be outlawed because you think using it is wrong.
To explain further, there are US politicians on both sides of the aisle who hold firm personal beliefs about certain issues. I’ll use Senator Tim Kaine and Mike Pence (current Vice President... ugh...) as examples.* Both men are religious - Kaine is a practicing Catholic and Pence is a former Catholic who switched to Evangelicalism:
- During the last election, Kaine spoke about his time as Governor of Virginia and how the people of the state voted to keep the Death Penalty as an option for very serious crimes. He explained that his faith has led him to believe the Death Penalty is wrong, but he had to put his personal beliefs aside in order to best serve the people of his state.
- Compare him to Mike Pence, who is personally and professionally opposed to abortion, LGBTQ rights, and all things fun in the world. I don’t know the stats for Indiana, but he supported anti-abortion legislation that was Draconian at best while he was Governor there (one measure he signed in 2016 was ruled unconstitutional last month and was overturned) and he has been vocally supportive of Conversion Therapy** - the use of extreme psychological or spiritual interventions to “turn someone straight.”
Tim Kaine is not a Fundie (at least on the Death Penalty issue) because he tried not to allow his personal opposition influence his ability to do his job. Mike Pence, however, is a Fundie because his personal beliefs influence every aspect of his life, including how he performs his job.
I guess if I were to put it really basically, I think Fundies are people of any belief who want to remove the right of choice from others and they’re willing to use whatever means they can to accomplish that. Holding a belief (extreme or not) isn’t enough by itself in my opinion to classify anyone as a Fundie. You have to be willing to take action to force others to act and believe as you do a well.
I’m sorry this is so long (you get a cookie if you made it this far!), but I hope this helped explain my thoughts a bit more fully.
*These were just the first two politicians I thought of. There are very likely Liberals classified as Fundie about some issues and there are very likely Conservatives who wouldn’t be classified as Fundies as well.
**The use of Conversion Therapy on minors is currently banned by 11 states in the US, including mine (it was finally banned here a little over a year ago.) I know someone who was put through this by his parents when he was younger - I believe it was off and on for five years starting when he was in High School. He no longer has contact with his parents and is doing much better now, but it left a lot of damage. Conversion Therapy is a sick abuse of power and can be particularly harmful for LGBTQ+ teens and children.