It‘s the notion that an „all natural approach“ is always better that bugs me the most. It‘s a completely false and romantic idea of what nature is.

A close friend once had an UTI. No big deal, just take antibiotics and you‘ll be fine. Except one evening they suddenly felt worse and started to deteriorate. At the ER, even the healthcare professionals started to get nervous until they were finally able to stabilize them. Turns out the bacteria were partly or fully resistant against the antibiotics taken and my friend got septic. 

Considering how anti-vax the Bontrager and Helferichs are, I wonder when they actually take their newborns to the doctor for the first time? never?

2 hours ago, HereticHick said:

Looks like the nearest hospital to Mountain Grove MO is Texas County Hospital in Houston, MO,  about 30 min. away.

Meanwhile, I wonder how Liz Bontrager feels about 20-year Christian Bowers. He is a bit of a snacc, as they say.  https://www.instagram.com/christianjetbowers/

I think 30 minutes is how long it took for Erin Bates to get to the hospital she gave birth in Northern Orlando, so that's not really an excuse that they can use.

James River Church claims Driscoll was trying to destroy their church, wants him to repent

https://www.columbiatribune.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2024/04/17/heres-why-james-river-church-is-threatening-to-cut-ties-with-a-pastor-mark-driscoll-john-lindell/73364982007/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0WDPMvwXyXcftrokb6r3FYF4gMy4sk_w9GwbC0Vq7nVnohe6-x7bXDgjU_aem_AdPpR45oWsvJXYP2jGBTRR1REvn9WHz7wM4LNMoIjI4BRMezN9v_8-A3KGCaXbDI_TEYwH3YCieHuld1B5xuw7ZQ

11 hours ago, Giraffe said:

I imagine most of the second generation have re-thought their parent's/in-laws views on having as many children as they possibly can, even if they went into marriage with that ideology. I'm sure some of them experienced a rude awakening when they realized Michelle was the exception not the norm. 

It really is amazing how KJ and M flew through the first 12-15 pregnancies before they started experiencing more difficulties. Not so for their daughters. So many losses, NICU time, bad deliveries, transfusions, and most of the G2 are getting actual medical care where I think KJ and M received some home-care and maybe not the most educated providers.