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All I know is that at some point the Duggars were interviewed by Oprah, something unsavoury was revealed, and consequently they managed to prevent the episode from ever airing.

 

Everything else seems to be speculation - are there any other facts, or any authentic-sounding rumours?

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I've wondered about this too. I heard that Oprah decided not to have the Duggars on the show after the rumor about Josh Duggar, molestation, his supposed first engagement to a Holt girl, and "sin in the camp". Can anyone give any clarity on this?

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I haven't heard anything to do with Smuggar in regards to Oprah. I thought what happened was Oprah offered free college education for the kids and the Duggars refused so the episode never went to air.

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The only source I could find for this was a comment left on a blog. The commenter's only sources were "trust me, I know" and "God's honest truth." I do find it strange that the Duggars were never interviewed by Oprah, but that could be for any number of things.

The commenter claimed that Josh had gotten past the internet filters at home and found porn, and then experimented on four of his sisters. Then she (the commenter, Alice) claimed that "the oldest daughter" (Jana) wasn't touched at all, and it was the "second one" (Jill) who had caught him... doing what? Molesting another sister? So that's confusing right there and makes me already suspicious, and not of Josh.

Another hole in the story is that Josh revealed this at church over time- he confessed to the porn-surfing, then to molesting his sisters. Or, he got up in front of everyone and begged for forgiveness. Confusing, eh? And that's after you explain how and when the Duggars attended a church regularly enough for Josh to either a)become comfortable enough to tell someone about the porn and molestation or b)outright come forth and say that. The Duggars are VERY image-conscious, ("which is why they covered it up!" Alice would say), so to have Josh doing that to begin with is hard to believe. Also, I was under the impression that the Duggars always home-churched, and only went to actual churches for special occasions.

I may have gotten some details wrong, but this just doesn't seem like a likely story to me. If it's true though... Josh should have been removed from that home and sent far the fuck away from his sisters.

Edit: For clarity, the story is that the Duggars were in face interviewed by Oprah, but then Oprah and/or her team uncovered the case, planned to air something about it, but JimBob and Michelle didn't want it revealed, so nothing ever aired.

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The only source I could find for this was a comment left on a blog. The commenter's only sources were "trust me, I know" and "God's honest truth." I do find it strange that the Duggars were never interviewed by Oprah, but that could be for any number of things.

The commenter claimed that Josh had gotten past the internet filters at home and found porn, and then experimented on four of his sisters. Then she (the commenter, Alice) claimed that "the oldest daughter" (Jana) wasn't touched at all, and it was the "second one" (Jill) who had caught him... doing what? Molesting another sister? So that's confusing right there and makes me already suspicious, and not of Josh.

Another hole in the story is that Josh revealed this at church over time- he confessed to the porn-surfing, then to molesting his sisters. Or, he got up in front of everyone and begged for forgiveness. Confusing, eh? And that's after you explain how and when the Duggars attended a church regularly enough for Josh to either a)become comfortable enough to tell someone about the porn and molestation or b)outright come forth and say that. The Duggars are VERY image-conscious, ("which is why they covered it up!" Alice would say), so to have Josh doing that to begin with is hard to believe. Also, I was under the impression that the Duggars always home-churched, and only went to actual churches for special occasions.

I may have gotten some details wrong, but this just doesn't seem like a likely story to me. If it's true though... Josh should have been removed from that home and sent far the fuck away from his sisters.

Edit: For clarity, the story is that the Duggars were in face interviewed by Oprah, but then Oprah and/or her team uncovered the case, planned to air something about it, but JimBob and Michelle didn't want it revealed, so nothing ever aired.

That Alice woman seemed to have some random beef with Grandma Duggar too. A lot of people speculated that she was simply embellishing on truths and twisting some of them in order to make Grandma Duggar appear bad for no reason...

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That Alice woman seemed to have some random beef with Grandma Duggar too. A lot of people speculated that she was simply embellishing on truths and twisting some of them in order to make Grandma Duggar appear bad for no reason...

I also saw a mention of a rumor on DWOP that Josh had molested a different girl, presumably outside the family.

Josh is a douche, but I did see the original comment by Alice, it seems like purely malicious slander and Josh and his family do not deserve that. Alice has to be twisting shit. Maybe she had a crush on Josh and he rejected her because she was to "worldly"?

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That Alice woman seemed to have some random beef with Grandma Duggar too. A lot of people speculated that she was simply embellishing on truths and twisting some of them in order to make Grandma Duggar appear bad for no reason...

I have to say, I'm curious as to what was said about Grandma Duggar.

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I have to say, I'm curious as to what was said about Grandma Duggar.

Basically that she's propping up Jim Bob and pimping out him and his family for her own gain.

Yeah, what?

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Basically that she's propping up Jim Bob and pimping out him and his family for her own gain.

Yeah, what?

Perhaps she needs a fuzzy hat, a cane, and a pimp cup bedazzled with a Bible verse.

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I suspect any sin in the camp is josh touched someone's boobie. Or thought about it.

I can believe that Josh found some porn on the interwebs. Filters aren't perfect, and it's possible he did confess to someone that he wasn't all that bothered by it ;)

I have a hard time believing however that he could have molested someone, let alone his own sisters.

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I think that this is an urban legend. Oprah doesn't strike me as the type of person who wouldn't turn a child molestor into the police.

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It was speculated on TWOP, that when Josh was filmed with a shaved head that he had been in an ATI retraining camp.

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I thought what happened was Oprah offered free college education for the kids and the Duggars refused so the episode never went to air.

Even if that's 'all' that happened, it's still so sad. :(

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It was speculated on TWOP, that when Josh was filmed with a shaved head that he had been in an ATI retraining camp.

I haven't been able to find much on what exactly goes on in the ATI re-education camps, but I can't see them shaving someone's head.

FFS can't fundie guys even shave their heads just for funsies?

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I think that this is an urban legend. Oprah doesn't strike me as the type of person who wouldn't turn a child molestor into the police.

That's my impression as well. If it was very, very serious I feel like Oprah would have made a bigger deal about it.

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I suspect any sin in the camp is josh touched someone's boobie. Or thought about it.

Or got caught yankin' it in the shower...

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That's my impression as well. If it was very, very serious I feel like Oprah would have made a bigger deal about it.

I'm also pretty sure that someone on the production team would have leaked the episode online, and there would be far better sources for the case than some moron only quoting "God's honest truth" in a comment on some blog. I have a feeling that the leaker would have dropped more names (I mean, any idiot who watches the Duggars regularly or even googles them would figure out who "the oldest sister" and "the second sister" are, and would have told us where we could find more proof. And I'm not sure I trust "God's honest truth" from someone who goes on a tangent about Grandma Duggar pimping out Jim Bob and Michelle.

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I read the twop speculations about Josh being an ATI camp. I read a different twist to the molestation rumors on IMDB. Someone there posted that Josh molested one of his younger brothers during the time Boob was in politics and that Boob covered it up.

As for the Oprah episode rumors, I did hear the same thing about Oprah offering to pay for college for the kids. I also think that is possible that Oprah or her staff found out the dark side of ATI/Gothard and maybe became disturbed by the Duggars and the episode never aired.

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I went back, found the earliest mention of the Oprah story (as well as the origin of the sin in the camp thing) and posted it all for posterity in a thread on this iteration of this board. It was a pain and a half. Perhaps someone should sticky it, as it seems someone brings either this or the sin in the camp thing up every few months.

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There ya go. I was thinkin' yankin it and showing a younger how to do it. :clap:

At least someone is teaching the younger kids SOMETHING. :roll:

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Josh is just molesting EVERYBODY, isn't he?

Apparently Josh had just come back from the ALERT camp, and apparently head-shaving is the norm for graduates. I find that rather odd, but meh- I still don't think Gothard would demand that kids have their heads shaved for sinning or whatever.

I only heard about Oprah offering to pay for college here.

Either all of it's true, or none of it is. That's my take on it. And since it all seems to contradict each other, I'll assume that none of it's true, Alice is full of shit, and Josh molested no one. He's an utter dick, yes, but I can't see him as a sexual abuser.

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At least someone is teaching the younger kids SOMETHING. :roll:

I'm pretty sure kids don't need anyone to teach them how to do that.

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At least someone is teaching the younger kids SOMETHING. :roll:

LMAO!!

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