Where in the World Is Doug Philips (Who Is a Tool)? Part 8

[Howl]

4 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

Wait a minute, did Faith just reference a John Waters movie?!?!

John Waters' birthday is tomorrow, Sunday, April 22!

Gotta be a Cry-Baby reference; Cry-Baby is set in 1954 Baltimore (of course!).  I missed Cry-Baby.  The Wiki for that movie is here. #gottaseeit

[AnnaSofia]

I haven't seen it since it came out when I was in Jr. High, but it starred Traci Lords when she was a few years out of her porn career, and Riki Lake playing a pregnant teenager. Waters' sexual orientation aside, there was quite a lot in that movie to disqualify it from winning a Jubilee Award

 

[AnnaSofia]

So I'm home with the flu, and started Insta-stalking again...

Noelle Goforth's music account (she has a personal IG as well, but it's private) is not only following Hannah Gill (the subject of several of Dougie's recent Vimeo offerings), three of the Philips kids, the Jazz Age Lawn Party, and both of Beall's accounts, she's also following Lourdes Torres 

https://www.instagram.com/lordessbylourdes/

It's a fashion design page, but Lourdes also seems to have a private account, which Josh Goforth is following. Josh also follows JTits.

Lourdes and Audri Botkin follow each other, same with Kelly (Leininger) Greyson (who's had some baaaad fillers), and Alecia Pennington, (who's seriously breaking out of her shell).

 

[Pecansforeveryone]

Beall's shoes are ugly and uncomfortable looking. One might consider it a sin to wear such ugly, impractical shoes. ( I jest. ) Honestly, she has a godly reason to divorce. Take the plunge, free yourself, and work on being a better person.  Give yourself a chance to find a healthy, positive future (just possibly including a 2nd chance af love.) 

[AnnaSofia]

On 4/20/2018 at 8:34 PM, hoipolloi said:

Re: Noelle Goforth. Between Noelle (and her singing career outside the home) and her sister, Aimee (who has been in a plural "marriage" for the past few years), one wonders if Little Bear Wheeler still believes in what his church preaches.

Any info on what went down with Aimee's first husband? If his "writing" is any indication, he seems like a real trip https://www.amazon.com/Only-Way-Robert-Moore-II/dp/0982211953

[hoipolloi]

3 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

Any info on what went down with Aimee's first husband? If his "writing" is any indication, he seems like a real trip https://www.amazon.com/Only-Way-Robert-Moore-II/dp/0982211953

No, except they seem to have divorced within a couple years of marrying. 

[Howl]

11 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

Any info on what went down with Aimee's first husband? If his "writing" is any indication, he seems like a real trip https://www.amazon.com/Only-Way-Robert-Moore-II/dp/0982211953

The premise of the book is quite interesting, but it is certainly in the "God has all the answers, and everyone converts", otherwise known as as Christian science fiction sub-subgenre. It got zero reviews on Amazon, so hard to tell what anyone thought of it. 

Spoiler

On the second planet, Dr. Timerlane meets Elijah Havlorton. He is quickly added to the team because of his knowledge of ancient languages but his belief in Christ causes a stir among the research team members. As the scientists encounter new cultures and unusual events, they question their beliefs and look to God for answers.

On the other planets, the team must deal with terrorist bombs, overt racism and even protesters who do not want their world to be overrun by tourists if it is proven to be the Home Planet. The research team members marvel as they witness Elijah's faith and dependence on God throughout all these events.

The writing style in this book is similar to the book of Acts, in that it switches back and forth between third person and first person, when Elijah joins the action as narrator.

 

12 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

she's also following Lourdes Torres 

https://www.instagram.com/lordessbylourdes/

It's a fashion design page

This is interesting.  Lourdes, as recently as last year, was an engineering student at (I think) Univ. of Texas San Antonio, but according to her IG, she is a fashion design student at Incarnate Word College (still in San Antonio).  Go, Lourdes! 

[Palimpsest]

11 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

Any info on what went down with Aimee's first husband? If his "writing" is any indication, he seems like a real trip https://www.amazon.com/Only-Way-Robert-Moore-II/dp/0982211953

Sounds like space age Gulliver's Travels without the satire.

Is this guy any relation to our JRM?

[AnnaSofia]

31 minutes ago, Howl said:

 

This is interesting.  Lourdes, as recently as last year, was an engineering student at (I think) Univ. of Texas San Antonio, but according to her IG, she is a fashion design student at Incarnate Word College (still in San Antonio).  Go, Lourdes! 

Yeah, I was wondering about that. The "support Lourdes" Facebook page showed her starting UTSA for the fall semester, and she seems to have just started her fashion IG in January, so it seems to be a recent change of goals? Either way, awesome as long as she's pursuing something she loves.

Incarnate Word is Catholic University, oddly enough

[refugee]

33 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

Sounds like space age Gulliver's Travels without the satire.

Is this guy any relation to our JRM?

I remember vaguely watching one of DPIAT’s videos about how to christianize science fiction. I don’t remember much, except he was on a kick urging people to excel for the glory of god. So... write more glorious music. (Cellos, anyone?) Create more glorious art. Write better and more glorious sci fi.

They featured some awful dreck in the VF catalog. Conservative homeschoolers were constantly looking for the christianized Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings (yeah, LOTR was problematic... magic and Catholic themes. I’m so glad I thought their literary hysteria was over the top—to my mind, books were for reading and discussing, not banning—and didn’t get rid of my beloved friends, my books).

One that had a glowing write-up in the VF catalog was called “Foundlings”. It was truly awful. I think that played a part in my wake-up call (I was forced to read an advance copy of the book for reasons I won’t go into here, so I knew firsthand how terribly written the thing was)—I saw the write up in the VF catalog and realized that all that other glowingly praised stuff was likely schlock. I think that was one of the ones that was supposed to be the “next Harry Potter—only Christian”.

My word. I looked up the author, and it appears his horrible book won a book of the year award from a super-conservative homeschool magazine, and he wrote more volumes in the series.

http://matthewchristianharding.com/

[Palimpsest]

@refugee, thanks!  The Foundling is free on Kindle at the moment.  I just grabbed it.  

It sounds like a Biblical Dragons of Pern.  Here's an excerpt from a 3 star review, my bolding:

Spoiler

I genuinely appreciated the faith and trust in God shown by the protagonists. You don't see a lot of positive fantasy out there like this. The time frame of this story is meant to be within ancient Old Testament times. Unfortunately, this often left me confused as the protagonist internalized thoughts and ideas that were clearly from the New Testament. This character's authenticity was eroded as a result.

Off-putting is the author's belief that the events and creatures described in his books are real. Matthew Harding actually believes that the dragons, dwarfs, giants, and time frames described are 100% real and historical. Had he written pure fantasy fiction, I would have enjoyed it much more. To know that he believes a lot of this just makes it weird.

Here's a snippet from his website:
"There is a burgeoning movement to take dinosaurs/dragons and place them in their right and truthful place within the Biblical worldview of our Creator. The books of The Peleg Chronicles treat dragons as normative, historical animals, during the time soon after the Tower of Babel dispersion - not as magical/mythical creatures. Nor must literary characters transport to an evolutionary time period millions of years ago to encounter these fantastic beasts. The truth really is more exciting than fiction!"

His bio there is deeply strange too.

I'm still wading through my free Kindle copy of My People the Amish (skipping all the scripture).  I'm also reading Nightingales by Gillian Gill and a not very good mystery.  I have to have several books going at a time, but I'm not sure when I will get to the Foundling. 

If anyone is interested, My People the Amish is by Joe Keim who was converted to Fundamentalism and founded MAPS.

https://www.amazon.com/My-People-Amish-Story-Father-ebook/dp/B06Y2CZDKC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524420273&sr=8-1&keywords=my+people+the+amish

The best thing I have read so far is that although Joe rescues many young people from the sinful Amish beliefs less than 10% stay with his Fundie church.  I don't think he is a bad guy, and some Amish youth need help, but he is Fundie to the hilt.

[bea]

No, except they seem to have divorced within a couple years of marrying. 

And this was not cause for comment within the community? I thought divorce was unbiblical and anathema and only something bad people did. [emoji849]

[Hane]

3 hours ago, AnnaSofia said:

Yeah, I was wondering about that. The "support Lourdes" Facebook page showed her starting UTSA for the fall semester, and she seems to have just started her fashion IG in January, so it seems to be a recent change of goals? Either way, awesome as long as she's pursuing something she loves.

Incarnate Word is Catholic University, oddly enough

I wonder whether the Torres family, being Puerto Rican, were originally Catholic or some different brand of Protestant evangelical. In my area, it’s a tossup whether a Puerto Rican family is either.

[Palimpsest]

2 hours ago, bea said:

I thought divorce was unbiblical and anathema and only something bad people did.

It is apparently perfectly OK to have a divorce in the family, so long as you pretend it never happened.

[dripcurl]

7 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

It is apparently perfectly OK to have a divorce in the family, so long as you pretend it never happened.

Lord Spanky and Lady Tea Tree have taught us well, eh?

 

Maybe they'll be eachother's next marriage???? Has that been discussed before? 

[hoipolloi]

22 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

It is apparently perfectly OK to have a divorce in the family, so long as you pretend it never happened.

This is probably what the Wheelers and their fellow travelers did although, in view of how they had previously treated Natasha Epstein, it's beyond disgusting that they covered things up for Aimee when she divorced. It's telling that so many of them are all still in touch with Aimee on social media, in spite of her, uh, unusual marital situation, which they must know about.

Aimee was good friends with Natasha Epstein but when DPIART "excommunicated" Natasha's parents, his then-buddy, Little Bear Wheeler forced Aimee to end that friendship:

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My daughter, Natasha, was very good friends with Little Bear Wheeler’s daughter, Aimee, for seven years. Natasha and Aimee fellowshipped and spoke often. Not only did they plan their weddings together, but Aimee was the one person who was there for Natasha when it seemed that all the other Christians were only interested in judging her. Being a pastor’s kid (PK) isn’t easy. It put Aimee in the spotlight, always under the scrutiny of other church members, both inside and outside her own father’s church. Natasha stood by Aimee through thick and thin. So when Aimee recently announced that she was getting married, Natasha expected that they would go through with the plans they had made for Natasha to be Aimee’s bridesmaid. Disappointed, but not really surprised, Natasha soon realized that Aimee’s attendants did not include her after all, but she was still looking forward to attending the wedding of one of her best childhood friends. However, Natasha’s invitation never arrived.

Seeing how desperately Natasha desired to go to her friend’s wedding, a mutual friend ran interference and was able to get Natasha an invitation to the wedding that was to take place on Saturday, July 28. Natasha was so elated! But that joy lasted only a few hours before being dashed by a phone call from Aimee, uninviting Natasha to her wedding. Devastated, Natasha asked why. It turns out that Doug Phillips’ “influence” (and meddling) reaches a long way. Apparently, some people at BCA read Still Fed Up and they weren’t pleased with the pictures of Natasha that the SFU boys stole from Natasha’s private website and posted on SFU. Then there was the false accusation that Natasha “flipped off” the Vision Forum folks when she was at Vision Forum, assisting the process server. These two incidents seemed to be enough to provoke Doug Phillips into convincing Little Bear Wheeler to not only ban the entire Epstein family from attending Aimee’s wedding, but also to hire policemen to keep us all out, on threat of being arrested if any of us showed up.

Natasha asked Aimee if she had ever given her reason to believe that Natasha would lie about flipping people off at Vision Forum. No, Aimee didn’t have any reason not to believe her, except that certain people from Vision Forum (Peter Bradrick was standing there the whole time) had stated such. Aimee didn’t know who to believe. Natasha asked if she had ever caused a scene before, and if not, why would Aimee think that she would do so at her friend’s wedding? Aimee had no answer except that a certain person had convinced her father that Natasha should not be allowed to attend. In the end, Aimee really had no choice but to submit to the edicts of Doug and her own father.

 

[Yes, the preceding quotation is from Jen Epstein/Fishbourne's blog but don't see a reason to doubt her recounting of what happened in this case.]

[ladyamylynn]

Now one of them is in a plural marriage and the other went to prison for being an accomplice to murder.  You couldn't make any of this up.

[hoipolloi]

30 minutes ago, ladyamylynn said:

Now one of them is in a plural marriage and the other went to prison for being an accomplice to murder.  You couldn't make any of this up.

Natasha deserved her prison sentence but she sure as hell didn't deserve her asshat parents, especially Jen. 

 

[Howl]

Jen is as whackadoo as ever.  She is posting things about how a chemical attack in Syria could never have happened, because chlorine dissipates too fast for inspectors to find traces, crisis actors, etc. 

Someone who challenged her on the poison gas issue using actual science got a huge smackdown from another commenter, the ultimate insult being that the person using actual science must have been watching CNN. 

She linked another piece about how Assad is a super wonderful man, and how the conflict in Syria is really the Pentagon fighting with the CIA.  

 

 

[bea]

Oh my God, Jen is a believer in that “crisis actor” crap??

 

Edited because I’m confused AF about Natasha and where she is at the moment.

 

Edit AGAIN because is Natasha Anastasia Eilat the one that’s Jen’s daughter? If so....whoa, Jen, way to pass on your crazy to the next generation.

[ladyamylynn]

https://www.ksat.com/news/woman-accused-of-helping-hide-murder-victims-body-in-salado-creek

Here's an article about her.

[Palimpsest]

8 hours ago, bea said:

Oh my God, Jen is a believer in that “crisis actor” crap??

 

Edited because I’m confused AF about Natasha and where she is at the moment.

 

Edit AGAIN because is Natasha Anastasia Eilat the one that’s Jen’s daughter? If so....whoa, Jen, way to pass on your crazy to the next generation.

In almost any given situation Jen can be trusted to jump the wrong way.  And she'll grab onto the latest crazy conspiracy theory every single time.

I think it is Natasha Crystal Epstein.  She should be out of prison now. 

[bea]

It’s just that the pictures of look so much like the ones Jen has on her page?

[DomWackTroll]

10 hours ago, bea said:

Edit AGAIN because is Natasha Anastasia Eilat the one that’s Jen’s daughter?

That's the name on her Facebook page. Her equally insane father calls himself by a Hebrew name now. Not sure whether he lives in Israel or the US.

[Palimpsest]

3 hours ago, bea said:

It’s just that the pictures of look so much like the ones Jen has on her page?

Oh, good grief!  I'm sorry. That is absolutely her.  I suppose changing her name was a good idea.

3 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

Her equally insane father calls himself by a Hebrew name now. Not sure whether he lives in Israel or the US.

Last time I looked he was off his rocker in a really unpleasant way.  So was his latest wife.  Whatever happened to the special needs daughter.  Does anyone know who she is living with these days?