Lori Alexander 43: Pepper and Darkness

[mango_fandango]

If that woman really wants to boycott all businesses that have female employees, she will end up going nowhere. 

[Free Jana Duggar]

Ok, I was actually impressed Lori told that idiot woman to go ahead and babysit. 

Maybe she should think about it like this: The "poor neglected" child is going to end up in evil daycare and molested if she doesn't help, 

I sure hope this woman is ready not to use ANY business if she wants to boycott.

Grocery stores all hire women.

Restaurants all hire women.

Gas Stations all hire women.

Banks all hire women.

Car repair places all hire women even if just to be a cashier or answer the phone.

Heck, CHURCHES hire women.

And let's not forget that doctors, hospitals, and dentists all hire women. So no medical or dental care.

I can't think of any business that would not have women. Good luck with that boycott, lady.

[quiversR4hunting]

3 minutes ago, Free Jana Duggar said:

I can't think of any business that would not have women. Good luck with that boycott, lady.

Some oil change shops, tire shops and mechanics don't have women. My mechanic has had a woman (mechanic, not office help) but now it is back to all men.

But that is all, I can't think of another job area that is almost always all men.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

This is obviously the woman who commented on her blog. It gets worse. 

[EowynW]

@AlwaysDiscerning Flicka also wouldn't let her mother come see her newborn baby because her mother had just filed for divorce from her father. 

[Alisamer]

8 minutes ago, quiversR4hunting said:

Some oil change shops, tire shops and mechanics don't have women. My mechanic has had a woman (mechanic, not office help) but now it is back to all men.

But that is all, I can't think of another job area that is almost always all men.

Lucky for her, I'm sure ALL car companies and factories hire women, so she can't have a car that needs service anyway. Saves her from having to call around and ask if they have a woman on staff before choosing to use a specific shop.

She can't wear commercially made clothes or even buy fabric, if she doesn't want to use companies that hire women. Hope she knows how to spin and weave. Only natural fibers, of course, because factories employ women. And I suppose no family farms either... women on farms WORK, and the money the family makes benefits them. I bet her Bible was printed by a company that employs women, too. Avoiding the work of other women will cause a LOT of work for her! She'll have to live completely 100% off the grid and disconnected. 

And then how would she follow Lori?

[littlemommy]

All these ladies would probably watch "The Handmaid's Tale" and wish that could be their life. :S

[freealljs]

No makeup, since makeup companies hire women.  No toiletry products at all, since those companies hire women.  No hair stylists, no going to the mall.  No cell phones.  No computers.  No grocery shopping. 

Do these women know how limited their lives are if they boycott all things and places that employ women?  

[delphinium65]

I hope Flicka makes sure to tell that woman exactly why she won't help, and goes into all the details of everything she is doing wrong, and tells her in no uncertain terms to repent of her wicked, Jezebel behavior.  In fact, Flicka should tell everyone she knows the entire story, in the plainest possible terms.  That way everyone around her will know her for the judgmental, self-righteous bitch that she is.  

[polecat]

48 minutes ago, EowynW said:

My mom always says none of "that stuff" will ever happen if you marry God's Way. 

Except ... Josh Duggar.

So, yeah.

[EowynW]

1 minute ago, polecat said:

Except ... Josh Duggar.

So, yeah.

Oh trust me it's happened in our circle too. 

 

 

[Sarah92]

I'm reading all this and my mind is a completely blown at how crazy this has gotten. I first discovered her last year when I read her post about the necessity of having sex no matter what to keep your man satisfied and that men are only with women because they have the ability to have sex. I didn't think it could become worse but dang this is unbelievable. 

[delphinium65]

8 minutes ago, EowynW said:

Is she rebuking a man?  Ain't that just like a Jezebel? 

[Frog99]

1 hour ago, EowynW said:

Where did you see all that at!? I could never find any of that. I really wanted to watch the Ashley shitshow. 

From comments I just read on 2.0, Ashley was blocked last night again and Dana I guess took down her account. 

Adhley bought copies of Lori’s book and wrote inside some message that I don’t recall (something about being convicted about and inspired by Lori) and signed Rachelle’s name. She reported a few accounts as fake, and also used a friend’s profile to do her dirty work. She also somehow found groups that Dana and Rachelle were in and taunted them. It was escalating quickly last night- I actually had safety concerns for both Dana and Rachelle. I’m guessing more went down. 

Dana- if you by chance read here- can you send some sort of signal you are ok? I always enjoyed your responses on undeleted and 2.0, and we had a few interactions on those pages. 

[Frog99]

I guess Flicka ignores the part of the Bible that tells us to love one another. And she’s forgotten about Jesus’ unconditional love for us. You don’t help people on your terms- that’s manipulation, not help. 

I have Godly, older women in my church. They don’t have a single shred of behavior like what Lori and Flicka exhibit. 

[nokidsmom]

2 hours ago, Fascinated said:

Well, at least Lori advised this ridiculous woman to help. My god. Boycott businesses where mothers work?  So she can have a clear conscience before her god?  God is going to judge her for ‘supporting’ women by going to stores, offices, hospitals, banks, etc. where mothers work??  This is insanity.  In the sense of losing touch with reality. Seriously.  I actually think I’m losing my mind trying to absorb this crap. I can’t get over the fact that there are people like this. 

This woman who refuses to "enable" a working woman by refusing to help should pretty much crawl under a rock since she won't be able to do anything.  But she will have a clear conscience living under it.  

Good grief.  I can't imagine someone twisting themselves in knots like this but I know personally people who do.  And yep, it is insanity.

[EowynW]

23 minutes ago, nokidsmom said:

This woman who refuses to "enable" a working woman by refusing to help should pretty much crawl under a rock since she won't be able to do anything.  But she will have a clear conscience living under it.  

Good grief.  I can't imagine someone twisting themselves in knots like this but I know personally people who do.  And yep, it is insanity.

You think they would jump at the chance to get more hands on baby time and help

keeo them out of daycare 

[nokidsmom]

Just now, EowynW said:

You think they would jump at the chance to get more hands on baby time and help

keeo them out of daycare 

Indeed.  You would think some of these women would look at the larger picture and think of themselves as a better alternative to daycare rather than turning a request for help into making a big statement about working women.  

[quiversR4hunting]

1 hour ago, Alisamer said:

I bet her Bible was printed by a company that employs women, too.

I can almost guarantee it. Zondervan & HarperCollins are together. HarperCollins runs Bible Gateway. According to the website "Thomas Nelson & Zondervan house the works of the world's most renowned Christian leaders." https://www.harpercollinschristian.com/zondervan/ So basically anyone that is anyone in Christian publishing is getting published by this 1 company, including Bibles. And here is a view of the academic wing of the company https://zondervanacademic.com/about 

And here is the leadership team at HarperCollins

http://corporate.harpercollins.com/about-us/leadership-team

[Gemini]

3 hours ago, delphinium65 said:

I was a little surprised that Lori didn't wholeheartedly advocate the suggested boycott, but then I remembered that would leave her without anywhere to go that doesn't employ women.  

Including Ken’s business....

you know, those woman who don’t, much to his surprise,  flirt with him. 

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

2 hours ago, EowynW said:

My mom always says none of "that stuff" will ever happen if you marry God's Way. 

Oh LOL x1000.  The most avid porn watchers I know are fundie men. There are studies that show online porn consumption in the US is the absolute highest in Utah.

Anecdotal but true:

The strip clubs in my city always did more business the week the SBC convention was in town than any other time.

Years ago when the SBC was in town I overheard a group of men attending the convention. They were all from the small towns around the state (I could tell by their name tags).  The topic -- how to sneak out to the strip clubs without their wives knowing.  The solution was to say they were all going to a men's Bible study group that would be meeting every night of the convention. Voila -- 5 nights of seeing naked women.

[EowynW]

Ooooooooooooooooo Ken is bitching about us bitching about Lori saying give your husband sex. 

[AlwaysDiscerning]

@EowynWwhich thread on fb is this at?

 

[EowynW]

12 minutes ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

@EowynWwhich thread on fb is this at?

 

The same big thread under the ken quote 2.0 posted 

Oh lori. 

[AlwaysDiscerning]

@EowynW Found it. That thread is making me dizzy. 

 

Ken Alexander 

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Tamara R. Hay, Writer I answered this question at length somewhere... I thought on this thread... so the quick summary, "I am humbled “ Sorry it just makes me smile, that somehow I am a liar for not recalling what I had written in a post about Jesus asking the Father "if possible, take this cup from me."

I have admitted it was a poor choice of words, especially now how I can see it can be twisted, and it doers sound funny, but not something I am ashamed of saying in any way. The fact that Jesus in his humanity could be wrong in a request to the Father does not imply in any way that He was sinful for making the request, or asking for the cup of great suffering to be taken from him. I certainly would not have written “wrong” and tried to choose some other word. 

But here is the real thing Tamara. I wrote what I wrote in a context trying to defend a position that you and most other readers here believe in. That a wife’s submission cannot extend to submitting to a husband’s request for her to sin, and just as importantly, a wife is not wrong to make a request of a husband to hear her out, and even ask if there is another way. So here I am defending one of your positions, yet you throw me under the bus, like the Pharisees tried to do with Jesus, holding onto every word to try to prove something that you know I do not believe in. 

You know full well that I believe in the perfect, sinless life of Jesus. So if I am using the Word “wrong” about Him, there must be something I am saying other than that he sinned in His request. Yet, because out of context it sounds like a good bite to take pout me, you can’t resist but to dig in and get as big a bite as you can. Then you salivate for more when you see me in utter disbelief saying that Ken said “Jesus was wrong.” Out of context the statement sounds absurd and unChristian so of course I was shocked to have those words attributed to me. But to offer me the context and the opportunity to explain myself, no… you just throw the words into my face and have your fun and devour. 

Got it… what you do speaks to one’s character. I never shy away from a legit conversation, but after just a few days of trying to speak to reasonable people, people who just want to trap and tear and make us look bad, they jump into the picture and we ultimately shut down trying to deal with the mess. Yes, we tend to clump the good-hearted ones with the bad hearted ones and with a quick finger hit delete or stop answering silly questions.

Lori said something to me that hit home. “Ken, they read me every day. They know exactly who we are and what we believe, yet they want to hold the truth in unrighteousness because they have a purpose. They are not after the truth because they know it already. They want to distract me so that I cannot focus on what God wants me to do.”

I really think she is right. Sorry. But when you and others throw out unfoundeed charges and accusations, all you want to do is stop the message Lori is teaching because you disagree with it. I don’t know if you are one of the ardent non-christian feminists on this site, or a Christian woman who really believes that Paul, and Peter’s words are cultural, even when you have no proof for that, just a theory that these passages no longer apply to today. Maybe you are one who was hurt within the church or a Christian family, as there seems to be a lot of hurt souls who now want to “rescue” women everywhere from the awful teaching of submission and being a stay at home Mom. I mean giving regular sex to a husband! That is such a terrible thing to teach a wife who says this man is the one she loves most in this world so she is willing to serve him joyfully. And then she falls madly in love with that man like she never loved him before. That is offensive and unfair to those who divorced early and have never found true love since then. Right?

Let’s face it. You hate Lori’s message, and it’s coming right from God’s Word so you hate the plain speaking of Peter and Paul, and all of church history until now. We can have an honest discussion about the accuracy of Lori’s interpretations and views if you like, just as I have had for a could days now with one from your group who is a solid Believer and has issues with how Lori, and all the commenters interpret the Word. But we cannot cross over to this idea of “it’s cultural” and violate everything we believe about the living and active Word. But you and your friends will busy body yourself into gossip and try to find as many bites as you can take. Mischarcterizations, falsehoods, grad a poorly phased sentence and play Satan’s fiddle with it, probably not even understanding that you are doing this to a fine Christian couple who is only trying to save marriages from having a 20 year drought like ours had. 

Worse yet you will find every reason why Lori sin not “qualified” to teach what she teaches. “She’s privileged!” She’s never suffered the life of a single mom!” “She never …” the list is endless. Tell me, when you look at your Bible how many of those called by God and used mightily by God were perfectly suited to their calling? Was it the one who betrayed and lied about Jesus 3 times? How about the one who persecuted all the Christians he could before Jesus got ahold of his life. David the adulterer and murderer? You get the point. But how about you and your friends? What ministries of building up the body of Christ are you involved with? How much of your time is spent being busy bodies and destroying Christian people, and how much supporting those who are imperfect, but being used mightily by God?

“Come out, come out from the world and join the Christian Church and fellow believers” Jesus is beaconing you today. It’s OK to disagree theologically, and try to hash through if wives are to be submissive or not, after God says it clearly 5-6 times. But it is not OK to slander, malign and try to bite fellow Believers. I get kit when the ardent feminist nonchristians do it. They are just following their nature. But when those who claim the name of Jesus and go to Easter Sunday raising hands high to the Lord, something needs to be said and hearts checked. Am I just a scorned woman mad that I got deleted and blocked from a blog because I did nothing wrong? Or I was quite obnoxious and but still she is being unchristian blocking me? A third of what I see is this resentment for being blocked and unheard, another third is a real desire for a theological discussion, and the last third just wants to bite and destroy. Why one are you? And which one do you want to become. 

Here is what I suggest. If this group is about a real theological “iron sharpens iron” set of discussions, then let me see if I can get 5-6 women from Lori’s blog to enter into those discussions with you when a legit question is posed. “Is Titus 2 for today?” The problem is how will we ever know until we get to heaven as you say “no” and we say “yes.” Why can’t we be left alone with our “yes?” After all, kit is the most solid theological ground you can stand on. It has true Biblical backing whereas “cultural” has no proof whatsoever.

You and Lori will both stand before the Lord some day and give an account of how you have lived your lives. Lori will say, “Lord, I am nothing but a weak sinner who it seems you used to teach your word just as it was written. Time tested truths that endured to the end.” And you will say… ? “ … “?

Sorry this not proofed….