Stormy Daniels has a "Monica Lewinsky" dress

[hoipolloi]

In which everything old is new again!

 

[laPapessaGiovanna]

I dunno if I'm going all HA HA HA or BARF. I'm stuck in between.

[Destiny]

I’m doing BOTH. YUCK! That said, the Orange Menace is gonna have a stroke about this.

[laPapessaGiovanna]

6 minutes ago, Destiny said:

I’m doing BOTH. YUCK! That said, the Orange Menace is gonna have a stroke about this.

We could invest in diet coke and big Macs' delivery to facilitate it..

[hoipolloi]

Will this finally convince Melania to dump his disgusting ass? 

[Blahblah]

Eeeeeeuuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwww. Just no.  

Nasty.

[fraurosena]

Even if she has this dress, even if there is male DNA on it, she does not have a proven sample of his DNA to match it to. So it doesn't matter in the slightest, really, that she has that dress. It just shows her to be gross, keeping a soiled dress for over 10 years. Yuck indeed.

[hoipolloi]

7 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

Even if she has this dress, even if there is male DNA on it, she does not have a proven sample of his DNA to match it to. So it doesn't matter in the slightest, really, that she has that dress.

While she wouldn't have any legal means of compelling tRump to produce a DNA sample, OTOH, we're talking about a guy who has a major phobia about germs and absolutely hates any exposure to bodily fluids, especially women's. The thought that his *own* bodily fluids might be on her dress and not under his control could be enough to drive him around the bend.

IMO, this is trolling at the highest level. Maybe she has the dress & maybe it does have, uh, residue on it, but that's almost beside the point. Even if the trolling & DNA testing don't pan out, she is getting a fuck-ton of PR out of this and probably will for some time. She strikes me as being a smart business woman, certainly smarter than tRump & his asshat attorney -- remember, the only bad publicity is no publicity at all.

[onekidanddone]

3 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

While she wouldn't have any legal means of compelling tRump to produce a DNA sample, OTOH, we're talking about a guy who has a major phobia about germs and absolutely hates any exposure to bodily fluids, especially women's. The thought that his *own* bodily fluids might be on her dress and not under his control could be enough to drive him around the bend.

This is always seemed like a paradox to me. On one hand (eeew) he has his germ thing, but on the other (once again eew) he likes to grab women by the lady parts and kiss them without their consent. 

Even if the lovely Ms. Daniels has the dress and a 'sample' (for the third time this morning..ewww) how can she prove it is his?  She would have to subpoena a fresh (fourth of the day ewwwww) deposit, but that would only be if she had a way to get charges against him. A mole in the the White House could sneak out an empty Diet Coke.  If he was forced to  or if he was stupid enough to agree to donate, he could get one of his minions to produce said fluid.  Hell Eric is so stupid, I could envision giving him giving is own pretending it was his dad's. 

[AmazonGrace]

Another lady friend: 

 

[GreyhoundFan]

4 hours ago, Destiny said:

I’m doing BOTH. YUCK! That said, the Orange Menace is gonna have a stroke about this.

He'll just scream that it's fake news. Then Hannity will say that the DNA testing lab is run by ebil people who love "unproven" science and are Hillary-lovers.

[AmazonGrace]

"he didn't have an affair with a porn star but if he did it doesn't matter,  everyone  has affairs with porn stars. ACTUALLY, it is good to have affairs with porn stars"

[onekidanddone]

15 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

"he didn't have an affair with a porn star but if he did it doesn't matter,  everyone  has affairs with porn stars. ACTUALLY, it is good to have affairs with porn stars"

Having affairs with porn stars means you support the troops.  Not having affairs with porn stars means you hate America 

[JMarie]

The lab that was used to authenticate Monica's dress should also do the testing of Stormy's dress.  If the lab was reputable then, it should still be reputable, and the results (whatever they will be) will have to be accepted.

[GrumpyGran]

I think she's just screwing with him. But it's hilarious. What I find more hilarious is the fact that he's apparently one of those men who's need to plant the seed overrides his common sense. You'd think he would realize that not wearing a condom could have serious repercussions(hello, Tiffany!) but he just can't keep it under wraps. He doesn't seem to have a problem with his own bodily fluids.

[NotQuiteMotY]

7 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Will this finally convince Melania to dump his disgusting ass? 

Probably not. What are the bets that he had an impressive pre-nup drawn up and she won't benefit if she divorces him rather than the other way around?

[GrumpyGran]

12 minutes ago, NotQuiteMotY said:

Probably not. What are the bets that he had an impressive pre-nup drawn up and she won't benefit if she divorces him rather than the other way around?

She knows he does this. I wouldn't be surprised if she knew about the pay-off. She wants her beautiful life but no humiliation. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a well-hidden boyfriend in NY. And another one at  Mar A Lago.

[GreyhoundFan]

"Trump is implicated in his attorney’s Stormy Daniels payment for the first time"

Spoiler

The headline on the Wall Street Journal’s latest Stormy Daniels scoop is that Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s $130,000 payment to the porn star set off red flags and was reported to the Treasury Department. But what came next seems much more important.

The Journal is also reporting that Cohen couldn’t get a hold of Trump late in the process and that he later complained that Trump hadn’t reimbursed him for the payment to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford:

Mr. Cohen said he missed two deadlines earlier that month to make the $130,000 payment to Ms. Clifford because he couldn’t reach Mr. Trump in the hectic final days of the presidential campaign, the person said.

Ms. Clifford was owed the money in return for signing an agreement that bars her from discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump in 2006, people familiar the matter said.

After Mr. Trump’s victory, Mr. Cohen complained to friends that he had yet to be reimbursed for the payment to Ms. Clifford, the people said.

This may read like background used to fill out a story, but it is actually quite significant. These paragraphs represent the first time a major news outlet has reported that Cohen had spoken even behind the scenes about Trump being involved in the payment. Previously, the origins of the payment were more mysterious.

We have suspected, of course, that Trump was involved. After all, what attorney would make such a payment without his client’s authorization? And even more than that, Cohen’s statement last month when he acknowledged making the payment explicitly said that the Trump Organization and campaign were not involved but conspicuously didn’t rule out Trump himself having been party to it. Cohen also said that he had “facilitated” the payment, which suggested that he might have been a go-between. I argued at the time that this seemed like a tacit acknowledgment that Trump was involved.

Cohen, for what it’s worth, is not commenting on the latest report. The Journal says he emailed it a two-word comment: “Fake news.”

There are some unanswered questions about the Journal’s report. Whom did Cohen say these things to? How did the person who knew about the Treasury Department being flagged also know about Cohen missing deadlines? And why in the world would Cohen walk around talking about the then-president-elect reimbursing him for hush money paid to a porn star?

But for now, we just broke some new ground.

 

[onekidanddone]

47 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

"Trump is implicated in his attorney’s Stormy Daniels payment for the first time"

  Reveal hidden contents

The headline on the Wall Street Journal’s latest Stormy Daniels scoop is that Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s $130,000 payment to the porn star set off red flags and was reported to the Treasury Department. But what came next seems much more important.

The Journal is also reporting that Cohen couldn’t get a hold of Trump late in the process and that he later complained that Trump hadn’t reimbursed him for the payment to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford:

Mr. Cohen said he missed two deadlines earlier that month to make the $130,000 payment to Ms. Clifford because he couldn’t reach Mr. Trump in the hectic final days of the presidential campaign, the person said.

Ms. Clifford was owed the money in return for signing an agreement that bars her from discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump in 2006, people familiar the matter said.

After Mr. Trump’s victory, Mr. Cohen complained to friends that he had yet to be reimbursed for the payment to Ms. Clifford, the people said.

This may read like background used to fill out a story, but it is actually quite significant. These paragraphs represent the first time a major news outlet has reported that Cohen had spoken even behind the scenes about Trump being involved in the payment. Previously, the origins of the payment were more mysterious.

We have suspected, of course, that Trump was involved. After all, what attorney would make such a payment without his client’s authorization? And even more than that, Cohen’s statement last month when he acknowledged making the payment explicitly said that the Trump Organization and campaign were not involved but conspicuously didn’t rule out Trump himself having been party to it. Cohen also said that he had “facilitated” the payment, which suggested that he might have been a go-between. I argued at the time that this seemed like a tacit acknowledgment that Trump was involved.

Cohen, for what it’s worth, is not commenting on the latest report. The Journal says he emailed it a two-word comment: “Fake news.”

There are some unanswered questions about the Journal’s report. Whom did Cohen say these things to? How did the person who knew about the Treasury Department being flagged also know about Cohen missing deadlines? And why in the world would Cohen walk around talking about the then-president-elect reimbursing him for hush money paid to a porn star?

But for now, we just broke some new ground.

 

Trump on the stand points to a woman in the court room:  "I did not have sex with that woman". 

Trump then points to half all the other women there: "But that woman, and that woman, and that woman, and that woman, and that woman.."

[hoipolloi]

From Andy Borowitz: 

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Trump Denies Having Sex With Stormy Daniels, Citing Boner Spurs

WASHINGTON - In a preview of what promises to be an unorthodox legal defense, on Tuesday night Donald J. Trump denied having sex with the porn actress Stormy Daniels, claiming that he was prevented from doing so by a rare penile condition known as “boner spurs.” According to Trump’s attorney, Michael D. Cohen, the boner spurs have made sex “virtually impossible” for Trump for decades. “I have sworn affidavits from dozens of women who state unequivocally that sex with Donald Trump does not count as sex,” Cohen said.

 

 

[fraurosena]

Whoops!

Stormy Daniels files lawsuit against Trump

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Adult film star Stormy Daniels has filed a civil suit against President Trumpin an effort to void a nondisclosure agreement between the two.

Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, claims in her suit filed Tuesday that the nondisclosure agreement is not valid because Trump never signed the deal, according to documents revealed publicly by her attorney, Michael Avenatti.

[the complaint in the above tweet is clickable]

NBC News first reported on the lawsuit.

Daniels and Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, both signed the agreement days before the 2016 presidential election, according to the suit.

"To be clear, the attempts to intimidate Ms. Clifford into silence and 'shut her up' in order to 'protect Mr. Trump' continue unabated," the suit says. "On or about February 27, 2018, Mr. Trump's attorney Mr. Cohen surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding against Ms. Clifford in Los Angeles." 

The lawsuit also claims Daniels and Trump engaged in an intimate relationship that lasted from summer 2006 “well into the year 2007.”

Cohen acknowledged last month that he paid Daniels $130,000 in October 2016 as part of the agreement that ensured she would not speak about an alleged 2006 sexual encounter with Trump.

Cohen said that he made the payment out of his own pocket and denied that it violated campaign finance laws.

The Wall Street Journal reported Monday that Cohen was unable to locate Trump prior to making the payment, and as a result had to wire the funds himself.

Despite the payment, Cohen and a White House official have denied the affair ever took place.

Daniels gave a detailed interview to In Touch Magazine in 2011 on her encounter with Trump, but has not commented on it publicly since Cohen's payment was first reported.

A manager for Daniels said last month that the actress believed that Cohen’s acknowledgement of the payment have broken the nondisclosure agreement, leaving her free to talk about the affair.

 

Josh Marshall has an article about it, in which he dissects the agreement.
[pics of annotated agreement included in quote]

Summa Stormietica (or Maybe Trump Sent Stormy Dick Pics)

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Earlier this evening I told you about startling new revelations appearing to tie together the Russia probe with various of Donald Trump’s and Jared Kushner’s shenanigans in the Persian Gulf region. It’s stunning stuff but it’s complicated stuff. So check out the earlier post and the underlying articles from the Times and CNN to get the details. But no sooner did that happen than an attorney for Stormy Daniels posted a legal filing in which she asks a court to declare the “hush agreement” between her and Donald Trump and his lawyer, Michael Cohen, to be null and void.

But this rather sterile description doesn’t do justice to what is contained in the filing – which includes the original “hush agreement” itself and another related document. Suffice it to say, it focuses not so much on Stormy Daniels staying mum about a sexual relationship with Donald Trump but on “certain still images and/or text messages which were authored by or relate to” Donald Trump. Let’s put this baldly: Stormy appears to be saying she’s got or had sexts and maybe even “dick pics” from President Trump.

So with that, let’s get to the horrid details.

I have read the entire legal filing. I’m not a lawyer. But I think I can provide a basic description of what is contained in it. I will note or leave for others the legal points which are beyond my knowledge and experience.

First some backstory. According to the filing, after the Access Hollywood tape surfaced, Daniels tried to sell or publicize the story of her affair with Donald Trump (2006-07) and apparently the pictures or text messages or whatever else is described in the filing. Trump and Michael Cohen found out about it and made this deal to buy her silence and regain possession and intellectual property rights to the pictures or text messages.

According to Daniels, on February 27th of this year, Michael Cohen started an arbitration process in Los Angeles to try to stop Stormy Daniels from talking about her relationship with Donald Trump, which she says clearly in this filing was an “intimate relationship” during 2006 and 2007. The “hush agreement” which is dated October 28th, 2016 is included in the filing and it makes clear that disputes will be handled through confidential arbitration. So Cohen seemed to be seeking redress in that way, as set forth in the agreement.

First some side color: Donald Trump is referred to in the agreement by the pseudonym “David Dennison”. Stormy Daniels is “Peggy Peterson.” And yes, she’s referred to in the agreement by the initials “PP” because of course she is. Daniels also claims that Cohen made her sign a false denial of the affair in January of this year “through intimidation and coercive tactics.” Clearly Cohen has been very active on the Stormy beat for the last two months.

Back to our story.

Daniels says that the agreement is null and void and asks the court to find as such. She makes two legal arguments and what I would call one extra-legal argument. The first argument is that Donald Trump himself never signed the agreement – willfully, not through inattention – and thus there’s no agreement. I suspect this is not a terribly strong argument since news reports at least suggest that Daniels accepted the payment of $130,000. My sense is that in most cases if you sign an agreement and accept the consideration, i.e., the money, that’s an agreement whether or not the other person signs. And remember, Cohen signed on Trump’s behalf. So this argument doesn’t sound terribly strong.

Her further argument is that since Cohen publicly discussed the agreement that that voided the agreement. The agreement does make clear repeatedly that no one can discuss the existence of the agreement. Daniels says, in essence, that she doesn’t have to go to arbitration, notwithstanding the agreement’s stipulation to arbitration, because there’s actually no agreement.

I have no expertise to judge whether these are strong legal claims. The extra-legal argument is, I think, the key one. That is, Daniels is saying out loud for everyone one to hear: not only did I have sex with President Trump but I had compromising text messages and “certain still images” that Trump went to herculean lengths to keep secret. To use the vernacular, she’s pretty clearly suggesting she had “dick pics” from Trump or something very much like it. The legal filing is here. But I’ve marked up the key pages. Here are the references to what needs to be handed over to Trump and remain forever secret. 

The agreement refers to these things Daniels has to turn over as the “Property” and at one point Trump, oddly enough, seems to be holding out for himself the opportunity to create “derivative works” based on his “still images” and texts with Stormy. But whatever, maybe it’s just boilerplate language.

It takes a while to get through all the verbiage. But the gist of almost all of it is that Daniels has to agree to absolutely turn over all this “property”, keep no copies, stipulate that no one else has copies, tell Trump and Cohen everyone who knows about the “property” and basically never talk about it until the end of time.

The penalties are pretty intense. The agreement contains what we might call an Austin Powers provision. If Daniels violates the agreement, not only does she have to pay back the $130,000 and whatever money she made from breaching the contract but pay Trump “the sum of One-Million Dollars” for each individual breach. The way the agreement is written just breaking the agreement once in the common sense meaning might amount to 10 or 100 or more individual breaches.

So there you have it. Daniels wants out of the agreement and claims it’s null and void. Whether it’s null and void or not she’s making sure the corpse of this agreement is dead and dismembered and lying somewhere in the gutter. Because she’s revealed the key details. So the cat is out of the bag. And one imagines that Cohen and President Trump will be hard pressed to enforce the agreement under current circumstances.

 

Perhaps this is only referring to the dress in the title of this thread, but I tend to believe other incriminating stuff is (or at least has been) in her possession.

I still don't think much, if anything, will be done about this. The presidunce will keep on denying his affair, and claim the pics/texts/whatever is FAKE! And the Repugs in Congress will just sit in their seats with their eyes squeezed tightly shut, their fingers stuck in their ears, chanting "La-la-la can't hear youuuuu and won't look at you either!". 

 

 

[fraurosena]

More news on Stormy.

 

[GrumpyGran]

Reading through that stuff gave me horrible flashbacks to paralegal training!

Just some thoughts. Did she get the $130,000 by the date in the agreement? Are the attachments locked in a vault somewhere? I really don't know how that works but it seems the attachments are an attempt to have the agreement without making the identities and the actual evidence public. So where are they that they would be undiscoverable?

As to that, the contract doesn't identify who we're talking about except there is a reference to "EC, LLC" as being a party. Aren't corporations required to register somewhere? Is this a blind corporation? How can you be required to sign a contract with someone if you don't know who it is?

Also, odd, but in the highlighted section on pg 3 where it talks about altering the info "PP" gives "DD", "DD" is referred to as "she".

He's screwed though, because to sue her for the million dollars because she talked, he has to admit he is DD, and that means admitting it happened and he paid somebody off to keep quiet during the campaign.

[rosary]

Stormy Daniels is a pretty lady. She needs to have brown hair and take those beach balls strapped to her chest out, but but she is nice looking.

[AmazonGrace]