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@libgirl2 Oh, definitely. They have language already and grew up with much more stimulation than Genie was ever allowed. I just wouldn't be surprised if some of the Turpins were not able to ever transition into independent living, especially the older kids. 

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55 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

Not to go off topic, but who is this Genie that some of you are mentioning?

Her parents kept her tied to either her bed or the toilet all the time and never interacted with her, so she never got to learn how to speak or walk. She got rescued when her mother finally woke up and got them out.

A doctor interested in how language is acquired took her in. Although she's clearly an intelligent person, who is able to express complex thoughts, an did learn how to walk after her rescue, she never was able to learn how to speak. She and a few other sad examples in history are why we think there is a stage in infant development where we are able to learn language, and if we miss it, we're not able to catch up afterwards (obviously just a theory as experimenting around this is obviously wrong).

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5 hours ago, Local Gorilla said:

:marker:  Look guys, I might send a fun musical card, but here is a reality check for everyone:

I too was hospitalized at 17, after a horrible, traumatic accident. It was publicized, but only locally. Even then, I got sooo much mail, from strangers. NEVER OPENED IT. It was too overwhelming. It was surreal enough staying in the hospital, dealing with Doctor after Doctor, therapy. Letters were put aside in a box, never to be seen.

Cards and letters from friends were overwhelming enough, many I didn't even read - I got soo many cards saying, "GOD HAS A SPECIAL PLAN FOR YOU!" Sooo offensive, especially considering the sad, shocking details of the accident - I was a child!

I’m really sorry you’ve been through something very traumatic. This is why my friend who organized a cards for sick kids in the hospital club was told all mail would be opened and screened and mail that referred to anything religious, God, Merry Christmas, or even “feel better/ get well” since many will not, would get thrown away.

I’m hoping they will get screened and am guessing their advocate team will make sure they will be given the level of psychological trauma at play here. I can rest knowing that these kids will feel good just being told of how many cards they’re receiving even if it’s not opened. They lost their parents, who are monsters, but are still probably feeling lonely about it.

In fact, I would guess it’s deliberate to not request addressing them by name since any extra unread cards by them can be given to other kids.

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5 hours ago, Local Gorilla said:

Anyway, surely they'll keep stranger's letters away from them. Hard to say if even children's greeting-cards will get through the filter - the majority will be put in a box, not to be seen until years later.

I hope they filter them carefully, if they pass them along at all.  Letters are coming from a place of kindness, but sounds like these poor children have very little understanding of situationally-appropriate interactions with strangers.  They're going to have to learn all the unspoken rules we learned as little children.  They'll have to learn that this is a special situation - that sending letters to random strangers isn't normally acceptable; and beyond that, I can only imagine that the content of some of them could be baffling or give problematic examples of how to write/behave with strangers.  

ABOUT DONATING... especially if you are donating to a charity in a city, check their website or make a quick call before you send stuff.  My office regularly donates to a youth shelter, but they simply don't have space for donations that aren't of immediate use because the cost of real estate is so sky-high.  If people donate stuff that they don't have space for, it costs them because they have to send someone to either donate it elsewhere, take it back to the store, or bring it to a thrift store.  

 

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If you want to help abused kids, you should get licensed as foster parents. Every state is woefully short both on quantity and quality.

  IMO, some kids died in the last 20 years, whether bio offspring of monster 1 and monster 2 or other offspring. 13 people were hovering near death and we all know abusers treat some victims worse than others (scapegoat, golden child etc.) I think the ones treated worse are now dead.

The girls are reproductively mature, see the request for donations of feminine products.

I think it's crazy that some would speculate that the 2 year old wasn't the mother's child. She wouldn't pick a golden child who wasn't biologically hers. Monster 2 gave birth to the two year old. To the person who said all 12 kids were scapegoats, I disagree. Yes, they were all tortured, but I would bet some were tortured worse than others. The doctors even said some kids were closer to death than others. I would imagine the 17 year old hero who freed the rest was marginally less tortured, just as the girl who escaped Ariel Castro and freed the rest was the one treated marginally better. (Marginally better of course being used in an extreme sense. They were all tortured unimaginably.)

 

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Today I just asked my husband if he could consider us becoming foster parents in a few years (we are mid 20s) and he said “No. Too emotionally rough.”

I am upset because this case makes me want to very much since it’s clearly the best way to help aside from giving money.

That’s the problem with this country. People don’t think they have to do anything because it’s “too tough” or “not worth it” and there must be millions of other people sending money, sending cards and card packs, foster parenting, etc.

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@luv2laugh You can go through training and work as respite care for foster families or families with severely disabled children. Being a full time caregiver is extremely wearing and it's very difficult to get "off" time to perform self care for many families/moms. 

@Foudeb It's a miracle her mother brought Genie with her at all. If she hadn't, or the social worker didn't notice the disparity between Genie's age and development, she probably would have disappeared again. 

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1 hour ago, Knight of Ni said:

If the adults are unable to live by themselves they may be placed in an assisted living facility. Unfortunately some of those facilities are not great places to live. They will not be sent to the large corporate run facilities where the conditions are almost resort style. Instead they will be sent to smaller facilities that may even be run out of someone’s home. Conditions in these facilities aren’t great and some are awful. This is from my experience inspecting assisted living facilities for the state so it may be different in California. 

In my grandmother's case (Arizona), the home-run facility was the very best we could imagine. While it didn't have the smartest (read 'tacky') decor, there was safety, love, homemade food. She really and the other couple residents were treated like family--in the best way. The owner's family lived in the other side of the house, so there were always children and pets. Residents were encouraged to bring their animals with them. Young people and animals are shown to improve the lives of elderly, and we were grateful. We could visit at any time. 2 of the workers were invited and attended my wedding with my grandmother. She lived for over a decade on "hospice" (unheard of) I think she lived so long because of the excellent care. She actually moved there from what she dubbed "the institution"--one of those streamlined places. In fact, we chose a family childcare provider for Tiny Fille in the spirit of the care style we experienced with my grandmother. 

I guess part of writing such a  long post is to imagine what I hope for those adult survivors: a place of love, open to (approved) family member visits, with animals, and homemade food.

7 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

Today I just asked my husband if he could consider us becoming foster parents in a few years (we are mid 20s) and he said “No. Too emotionally rough.”

I am upset because this case makes me want to very much since it’s clearly the best way to help aside from giving money.

That’s the problem with this country. People don’t think they have to do anything because it’s “too tough” or “not worth it” and there must be millions of other people sending money, sending cards and card packs, foster parenting, etc.

The best foster parents are ready to be foster parents. If your husband isn't on-board, it's totally ok. Why don't you ask him what he would be comfortable doing: Collecting toiletries for a domestic violence shelter? Donating money? Volunteering at a suicide help line? You could volunteer at a shelter for women and children (many who suffered abuse) and play games with the children. If you are looking for a career change, perhaps you could be a case worker for a mental health clinic for children. Train your dog to be a therapy dog and go visit children's hospitals!

Most importantly, like I said before, if this news is too hard for you (can't sleep, keep crying, interfering with work or responsibilities) it is A-OK to turn off notifications, go to bed early, and take care of YOU. You are obviously a lovely person, judging by how much you care. You certainly deserve some self-care.

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2 hours ago, nausicaa said:

I wonder if I missed that. I went through every one of their likes on that page (there were a lot of food and coupon related ones). Why would Pentecostals like VF? They are two fairly divergent Christian belief sets. 

A lot of homeschoolers like VF because they sold historical fiction and older reprinted books. I have a friend who loved VF old fashioned styled toys, and she is a secular homeschooler. Even among mainstream homeschoolers the philosophy behind VF wasn't widely known.  I was in a FIC and didn't know anything about the Tool until I read about his breaking scandal here. I knew of the business, just not the"ministry" side. But who knows if there T kids actually got an education or if their parents ever ordered anything from VF.

I don't put any value at all to what people have liked on FB, sometimes all you have to do is click on an article posted by a page and it shows you liked it, I've had that happen and only noticed once their stuff started showing up in my news feed. 

Is there and evidence that the parents were Pentacostal besides what the elderly grandmother had said? She doesn't seem to be a very credible witness of the character of her son. She may just believe he is Pentacostal because she is. Maybe he only told her that because she wanted to hear it. There had been no mention of them having any affiliation with any church in TX or CA has there?

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26 minutes ago, acheronbeach said:

 

ABOUT DONATING... especially if you are donating to a charity in a city, check their website or make a quick call before you send stuff.  My office regularly donates to a youth shelter, but they simply don't have space for donations that aren't of immediate use because the cost of real estate is so sky-high.  If people donate stuff that they don't have space for, it costs them because they have to send someone to either donate it elsewhere, take it back to the store, or bring it to a thrift store.  

 

Couldn't agree more. Call beforehand. For example, I donated my kid's old toys to a local children's MH therapy program. Therapists need toys to help diagnose and help children recover. Before dropping off bags and bags, I shot an email, said what I was offering, and awaited a response. Easy to do. I encourage everyone to call.

If they don't want the stuff, many organizations will pick up items for free off of your curb. They will go through it, sell what they can, and dispose of the rest.

You can run it to a Goodwill! Take the receipt, and donate the money you get in return from charitable giving.

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I keep going back to how they would eat delicious food in front of the starving kids, and how they'd display toys they weren't allowed to play with. This is plain sadism. Torture. And they knew it was wrong.  The child hoarding aspect rings true, too, because of the filthy conditions and neglect. The reported strangling as punishment makes me wonder if there were any permanent brain injuries because of that.

Like everybody else, I'm wondering about how many more households just like this one are out there right now and won't be discovered for years. Absolutely horrific.

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Of course it's a conspiracy. When he mentioned the girls shapely legs, I almost vomited. I'm surprised he didn't blame the victims. 

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K@FilleMondaine. Thank you for your last paragraph.   I'm going to take your advice.  I read somewhere that people tend to read and keep reading about violent situations not only to try and wrap our heads around it but also as a survival instinct.  To think about what you would do if in a bad situation, to learn from it.  I don't necessarily think the latter applies here ( seeing as I am an adult already), but maybe that same quest for future knowledge kicks in anyway. I guess it does in a kidnapped way.  Ugh.   Peace and love, peace and love...... Doing my dishes with some of my fav hippie music sounds lovely right now.  

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46 minutes ago, Crazy Enough to Join said:

I think it's crazy that some would speculate that the 2 year old wasn't the mother's child. She wouldn't pick a golden child who wasn't biologically hers. Monster 2 gave birth to the two year old. To the person who said all 12 kids were scapegoats, I disagree. Yes, they were all tortured, but I would bet some were tortured worse than others. 

One article stated that the oldest girls were given less food than the rest. In the wedding videos at least, they certainly seem to be the most thin and wan. 

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11 minutes ago, keen23 said:

Here come the conspiracy theory people who think this is all a "false flag" to increase government oversight on Homeschoolers... in 3..2..1...

 

https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2018/01/19/are-the-california-homeschooling-turpins-for-real/

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CNN is writing headlines about the state getting all up into what homeschoolers are doing, so they don’t have so much freedom to… do what? Torture their kids? Is torturing children outside of the school system really a concern that takes up a lot of bandwidth?

Yes, it's a concern. And yes, it should take up a lot of bandwidth. Because this family is for real, and it's proof that a lot of bad things could be happening to a lot of people right next door to any one of us, and we might not realize it. 

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The “kids” were just now rescued and “lawmakers and advocacy groups” are already calling for homeschooling oversight? The ink is barely dry on the judge’s order to set bond, and the community is already organized?

Who in their right mind would argue against people moving quickly, in an organized fashion, to address detection and prevention of abuse of children who are educated at home and thus have less contact with outside adults and mandatory reporters?

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23 minutes ago, JesusPony said:

The child hoarding aspect rings true, too, because of the filthy conditions and neglect. The reported strangling as punishment makes me wonder if there were any permanent brain injuries because of that.

I just don't understand child hoarding like this. If you don't want to have kids...don't have them. 

If you have one child and realize it's a lot of work and not for you, well at least don't have any more. But why on earth keep breeding like a bunny when you can't stand and don't want to provide for the children you have?

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46 minutes ago, luv2laugh said:

Today I just asked my husband if he could consider us becoming foster parents in a few years (we are mid 20s) and he said “No. Too emotionally rough.”

I am upset because this case makes me want to very much since it’s clearly the best way to help aside from giving money.

That’s the problem with this country. People don’t think they have to do anything because it’s “too tough” or “not worth it” and there must be millions of other people sending money, sending cards and card packs, foster parenting, etc.

Check out CASA (court-appointed special advocates).  You get matched with a client in the system as their advocate, but they don't actually live with you.  (No personal experience, but I have a friend that does it).

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6 hours ago, DisgustedofHove said:

Does anyone know, because I’m not familiar with what happens in the US. If some of the adult children are unable to live independently (due to mental disabilities or damage due to neglect) and they don’t end up living wit( relatives, what will happen to them? Is the such a thing as foster families for disabled adults? Or will they end up in some kind of group home? Here in the U.K. young adults with learning disabilities do some times end up living in old person’s homes, along with elderly people with dementia etc.

Such a family may have adopted, may have had several sets of multiples, or may have custody of family members’ children. I wouldn’t think of that as a red flag on its own, to be honest, unless I had seen something else that caused me concern.

Let's just say that my job is to pick up the pieces for many adults who survived things like this. After a few tries, the survivors will may be able to get a government pension (usually insultingly small). That pension can be used for pay for subsidized housing or in a group home. States that were smart (humane) enough to take up the Medicaid expansion can also place them in an assisted living facility.  If some of these adults have significant medical needs, assisted living may be the way to go.

Care of adults like this is piecemeal, hard to find, and often have waiting lists.

One option is called "Assertive Community Treatment" where specialists come into the home. It is paid for by Medicaid.

My state got the Medicaid expansion. If yours didn't, please write to your governor or AG and say how this story has opened your eyes to its need.

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2 hours ago, FecundFundieFundus said:

She is a victim of extreme child abuse, more extreme than even the Turpins. I do not recommend reading about her to anyone that is having a strong reaction to the current events. Google "Genie feral child" for more information. There's a documentary about her in the first few years after her rescue. 

I googled. :my_cry:

As others have stated these kids are in better condition then Genie. They have language, can read and write and have been able to communicate with eachother. That doesn’t mean all, or even most, of them will be functional adults. But they will hopefully still be able to live happy lifes and always have eachother. 

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8 minutes ago, BlackSheep said:

 

Who in their right mind would argue against people moving quickly, in an organized fashion, to address detection and prevention of abuse of children who are educated at home and thus have less contact with outside adults and mandatory reporters?

People who say the father is Lord. They also fear the ebil government, vaccines, and New World Order and that we are in the end times. Not to generalize but from what I’ve observed, they tend to be Branch Trumpidians.

@FilleMondaine I’m also going to take your advice considering I woke up in middle of my sleep last night from a horrific nightmare that I was being held captive and had to wake my husband up next to me to tell him about it...

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8 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

K@FilleMondaine. Thank you for your last paragraph.   I'm going to take your advice.  I read somewhere that people tend to read and keep reading about violent situations not only to try and wrap our heads around it but also as a survival instinct.  To think about what you would do if in a bad situation, to learn from it.  I don't necessarily think the latter applies here ( seeing as I am an adult already), but maybe that same quest for future knowledge kicks in anyway. I guess it does in a kidnapped way.  Ugh.   Peace and love, peace and love...... Doing my dishes with some of my fav hippie music sounds lovely right now.  

Peace and love peace and love.

And hugs to all.

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I learned a long time ago that on the internet, you can find anything and everything is a conspiracy. Donald Trump is just a hologram. I mean have you actually touched him? No? That's proof he's not real! 

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