Hollywood's Next Creep

[LilaFowler]

I'm late to this topic, but so happy to read all these comments on Aziz Ansari. So many of you eloquently expressed how I feel,  and what I  haven't been able to put into words. I've been dissapointed with the reactions of people in my life to this story, but thisthread reassures me that I'm not crazy. 

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

@HarryPotterFan mentioned this article in a different thread: 

http://theweek.com/articles/749978/female-price-male-pleasure

It's a little bit long, but it's really best read in its entirety, so I'm not going to quote it. 

Edited February 1, 2018 by WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?
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[Rachel333]

I thought that was an amazing article! That author also wrote "The myth of the male bumbler," which I linked to earlier in this thread.

Regarding Mark Salling, I feel bad for the people he hurt, including his family, but not for him. I don't really care if he was depressed and lonely, and I really doubt his lawyer's characterization that, "Mark was a gentle and loving person, a person of great creativity, who was doing his best to atone for some serious mistakes and errors of judgment." This was a man who had saved tens of thousands of images of child porn with children as young as three. He had those images organized on his computer by age. I've been pretty disgusted with the amount of sympathy I've seen for him since his death.

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

26 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

I thought that was an amazing article! That author also wrote "The myth of the male bumbler," which I linked to earlier in this thread.

I also liked the article you linked to! Somehow I missed that it's the same author. 

[Rachel333]

Ugh, Mark Salling was going to have to pay $50,000 to each of the victims identified in the images and videos he saved, but I just read that because he killed himself before the sentencing the payments might not happen. I hope whoever gets control over his estate does the right thing.

[PraiseDog]

Sorry for resurrecting an old topic, but has anybody read this piece?

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/metoo-backlash-feminism_us_5a621cf7e4b01d91b2552f26
I thought it accurately captured many of the nuances of #metoo today, the history of feminism in general, and how insidious "backlashing" becomes.
I remember being totally disgusted in the late 80's and early 90's when corporatism/the fashion industry/every industry and work place really,  co-opted feminism, by trying to make it into this twisted message of, "Hey, girls!  You can be a feminist, and pretty, too!  Take hold of your own powerful feminist sexuality, by dressing skimpily and having sex with us!"   
This was when the term "feminazi" became fashionable, when all of us who protested against sexual assault (I'm one of the "Take Back the Night" era bitches) was accused of being "man haters",  "ugly" and "must be a butch cuz she can't get a guy."

This piece delves a bit into the Azis Ansari article - so I was totally looking forward to a great discussion about the nuances of where the "assault" line should be drawn, the shared responsibility of defining "consent", why power dynamics might delay accusations. Why Aziz didn't commit assault (in this case at least) but why he's an inconsiderate, shitty sexual partner, who maybe doesn't deserve to have his career destroyed, but definitely does deserve to not ever have sex in the forseeable future. 

And most of all really - the fact that potential sexual partners require and deserve, and would enjoy more actually - a change in the typical sexual dynamic of "Man Demands, and Woman (or less powerful person of whatever sex) either Submits, or Takes the dangerous Risk of Refusing."
And, when we do consent, we expect and deserve to enjoy the sex and have an orgasm, too.  
 
Unfortunately, the comments section of that awesome article were taken over by a veritable shitload of whiny-ass hysterical men, who were threatening to transform themselves into Pence and Mother, to take their toys (like treating people normally is a toy) and go home and unfriend every woman they've ever known forever, to take their super-powerful management entitled positions and never, ever promote any woman, or person of color, ever, because they're so scared that simply treating everyone with equal respect will result in a bad situation and false accusation for them. 
 

Edited February 15, 2018 by PraiseDog
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[Rachel333]

Ryan Seacrest: http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/ryan-seacrest-sexual-abuse-allegations-stylist-details-1202710460/

[Terrie]

Creator of Ren and Stimpy is a horrible person. 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse?utm_term=.ukMnXRORlw#.rvMYGbEbe7

[Cleopatra7]

10 hours ago, Terrie said:

Creator of Ren and Stimpy is a horrible person. 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse?utm_term=.ukMnXRORlw#.rvMYGbEbe7

When I read this, I can’t say I was surprised. Like a lot of millennials, I was really into Ren and Stimpy as a kid, but it was ruined for me when I saw thirty seconds of the Adult Party version. Looking back, I think that the Adult Party Ren and Stimpy, freer from the constraints Nickelodeon put on him, was an accurate look inside Kricfalusi’s mind and explains how he viewed women and sex. Even the regular Ren and Stimpy extolled being a jerk for jerkiness’ sake. As with so many (all?) of these cases, Kricfalusi’s abusive behavior was an open secret in his industry and no one did anything about it.

[GeoBQn]

Previously mentioned creep TJ Miller got arrested for calling in a fake bomb threat on a train.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/entertainment/tj-miller-arrest/index.html

Though not specifically about sexual assault, it's important to note that most mass shooters have a history of violence against women or misogynistic beliefs.  I hope Miller gets help (or something?) before his behavior escalates and many more people get hurt.

[PennySycamore]

@GeoBQn, Miller could get 5 years in federal prison for that shit

I like Silicon Valley, but I won't miss him on the show.   

[purjolok84]

On 16 December 2017 at 3:55 AM, SilverBeach said:

I can't stand fucking Tavis Smiley.

Or Woody Allen. Or R. Kelly

 

Speaking of R. Kelly - I had the unfortunate experience of recently looking him up after reading a tweet concerning someone else publicly condemning his behaviour. Specifically going into things like underage sex and 'he pees on women' kind of behaviour.

I'm going to assume that somehow police/courts couldn't make evidence stick but other than that, how does R. Kelly get away with being a child rapist and all-round disgusting human being? Seriously?

[AmazonGrace]

"Oh, nasty biotches lied about you? #metoo"

 

[AmazonGrace]

Holy heck, Bill Cosby was just found guilty

 

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

2 minutes ago, AmazonGrace said:

Holy heck, Bill Cosby was just found guilty

I'm watching coverage on MSNBC. I'm glad his celebrity didn't protect him this time.

[Don'tlikekoolaid]

He called the DA an asshole IN COURT!!!!!!!!'  keeping it classy eh Bill.

[littlemommy]

Good! Rot in prison, Bill Cosby. Then burn in Hell for all I care.

I was a child of the 80's and I so loved him on The Cosby Show. I loved his comedy specials. I even loved fucking "Ghost Dad". I really truly bought his good guy schtick, and that makes me the maddest. Everyone bought it, and that's why he got away with stuff for years.

[Cleopatra7]

I still trying to figure out where Cosby was getting quaaludes into the 2000s. Either he had new old stock or he was getting an illegal supply from the same sort of sketchy celebrity doctor that gave Michael Jackson propofol. It makes me wonder if any white male celebrities will suffer any consequences beyond being out of work for a couple of months or so. It’s becoming clear that the Mad Men days of overt sexual harassment in the workplace are far from over.

[Rachel333]

I'm glad Cosby has finally been found guilty.

And ugh, no one needs that Charlie Rose show. I'm not looking forward to the comebacks some of these men are inevitably going to make.

Also, there's a new one to add to the list. Two women have accused Tom Brokaw of sexual harassment/assault in the 90s. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/nbc-news-faces-skepticism-in-remedying-in-house-sexual-harassment/2018/04/26/7fa8a666-4979-11e8-8b5a-3b1697adcc2a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.53f4e34d04d0

Edited April 27, 2018 by Rachel333

[AmazonGrace]

Not Hollywood exactly but yet creepy:

 

[AmazonGrace]

 

[GeoBQn]

In the wake of the #MeToo movement, there's been a lot of attention in the theatre community over a new kind of professional:  the Intimacy Director.

https://www.teamidi.org/

It's like a fight choreographer, but for scenes dealing with sex, sexual violence, nudity, or "intimate touching" (for example, a parent hugging a child.)  They are there to make sure that these actions are choreographed and practiced in a way that is safe and respectful to all involved.  I hope that it becomes standard.  I get sick when I read behind-the-scenes stories of directors and actors throwing elements into sex scenes that the actress didn't consent to in order to get an "authentic" reaction.

[Rachel333]

Catfish suspended after allegations against Nev Schulman: https://www.thedailybeast.com/mtv-suspends-catfish-in-light-of-sexual-misconduct-claims?via=twitter_page

[MzMcLean]

3 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

Catfish suspended after allegations against Nev Schulman: https://www.thedailybeast.com/mtv-suspends-catfish-in-light-of-sexual-misconduct-claims?via=twitter_page

Sometimes I see these coming, this one? Not so much.

[Rachel333]

Mario Batali: http://deadline.com/2018/05/mario-batali-nypd-investigation-sexual-misconduct-60-minutes-anderson-cooper-1202395062/