Roy Moore is a *fucking child molesting loser*

[onekidanddone]

8 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

Emmett Till allegedly whistled at a white woman and he got brutally murdered. Roy Moore molests white teenage girls and will probably be elected to the US Senate. The “sanctity of white woman hood” is only a thing when dark-skinned others are invoked. Otherwise, it’s just a property crime committed against another white man.

Truer words have never been spoke.  

Will somebody please end this fucking madness.

[47of74]

By their fruits, ye shall know them...

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Kayla Moore, wife of Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore, shared a letter on Facebook over the weekend indicating support from more than 50 Alabama pastors. Not all the pastors said they gave permission for their name to be be used on what appears to be a recycled letter from before the GOP primary, however.

Moore's wife Kayla posted the letter to her Facebook page Sundayafter days of controversy surrounding her husband and allegations he had sexual contact with a 14-year-old in 1979 when he was 32-years-old. Three other women said Moore pursued them as teenagers. The letter was posted before a fifth woman, Beverly Young Nelson, came forward with additional charges Monday.

After the letter was published on AL.com, Tijuanna Adetunji of the Fresh Anointing House of Worship in Montgomery, said she was not contacted about the letter and did not give permission for her name to be used.

 

[GreyhoundFan]

"Roy Moore allegations prompt reflections on fundamentalist culture in which some Christian men date teens"

Spoiler

When Roy Moore, then 34 years old, asked 17-year-old Debbie Wesson Gibson whether she would date him, Gibson asked her mother what she would think.

According to The Washington Post’s investigation into Moore’s alleged pursuit of teenage girls, which was published Thursday, Gibson’s mother replied, “I’d say you were the luckiest girl in the world.”

That attitude of encouraging teenage girls to date older men, rather than shielding girls from men’s advances, sounded familiar to some people who read the Post story that has shaken Moore’s bid for the U.S. Senate.

“It’s not so uncommon that people would necessarily look at it askance,” said Nicholas Syrett, a University of Kansas professor who recently published a book on child marriage in America. “The South has a much longer history of allowing minors to marry, and obviously there’s some courtship or dating — whatever you want to call it — leading up to that.”

That courtship of underage girls is especially common in conservative religious communities.

“We should probably talk about how there is a segment of evangelicalism and home-school culture where the only thing Roy Moore did wrong was initiating sexual contact outside of marriage. 14 year old girls courting adult men isn’t entirely uncommon,” Kathryn Brightbill, who works for the Coalition for Responsible Home Education, tweeted Friday, prompting a flurry of responses from other people who also had watched teenagers date much older Christian men.

Ashley Easter, who grew up in a fundamentalist Baptist church where courting was the norm for teenagers, said, “That was the first thing I thought of with Roy Moore.” In her church community in Lynchburg, Va., Easter said, fathers had complete control over whom their daughters were allowed to date, and she could see how a father might set his teen daughter up with a much older man.

“A woman’s role is to be a wife, a homemaker and someone who births children. The man’s role is generally to be established and someone who provides the full income,” said Easter, who runs the Courage Conference for survivors of church sexual abuse. “It may take longer for a man to reach stability. While a woman of 15 or 16, if she’s been trained for a long time looking after her younger siblings, in their eyes she might be ready for marriage.”

The culture of courting that Easter and Brightbill described is one limited mostly to fundamentalist religious communities, including certain Christian groups and those of other religions, such as some Orthodox Jewish or Mormon communities. For most evangelical Christians, relationships between older men and teenage girls are viewed as wholly inappropriate.

Moore, who was reported in the Post story to have initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old when he was 32 and to have dated three other teenagers when he was in his 30s, has long established himself as a staunch defender of conservative Christian beliefs. Evangelical leaders’ responses to the allegations that came out this week ranged widely, from Ed Stetzer, who wrote in Christianity Today, “If Roy Moore did what he is accused of, he should be out of this race and face the consequences,” to Jerry Falwell Jr., who said to Religion News Service, “It comes down to a question who is more credible in the eyes of the voters — the candidate or the accuser,” and added, “I believe the judge is telling the truth.”

Most prominent evangelical pastors did not immediately reflect publicly on whether the evangelical culture Moore embraced in Alabama contributed to his pursuit of teenage girls.

Every state allows youths under 18 to marry in certain circumstances, such as with parental consent or judicial approval. More than 167,000 children, of numerous religions, were married in the first decade of this century in the United States, including girls as young as 12. At least 31 percent of those children married a spouse who was older than 21 years old, according to a Washington Post article from February.

In the 1970s, when Moore was in his 30s and reportedly dating teenagers, the laws on child marriage were changing, Syrett said. That’s when all states changed their laws so the minimum marital ages were the same for men and women. Previously, women were allowed to marry younger than men; in some states, men as old as 21 needed parental permission to marry.

“You didn’t want to lose your strapping 19-year-old son if he was working for you on your farm,” Syrett said. “Generally speaking, daughters’ labor was not as valuable as sons’ labor. Girls were destined for marriage, and doing it at a young age was appropriate. A parent was interested in having her marry and move on.”

Even as farm economics became less relevant to most families, Syrett said, the conservative religious emphasis on preventing girls from engaging in sexual activity outside marriage caused the cultural preference for girls’ marrying at a young age to continue.

Brad Wilcox, a sociologist at the University of Virginia who studies marriage and families in the United States, said that while people tended to date and marry younger in the 1970s and 1980s, when Moore allegedly was dating teenagers, an age gap such as that between Moore and the girls would still have been highly unusual. “In the South, in general, younger marriages would have been more common. But we’re talking here about … teenagers going steady in high school — maybe a year or two or three between him and her,” Wilcox said. “You don’t have 30-year-old guys dating a 14-year-old. It may have happened in some occasional context, but it would not have been a cultural norm.”

He said the reaction of most Southern evangelical communities would be “extraordinarily negative. … I would imagine a shotgun involved.”

Randy Brinson, an influential evangelical pastor who ran against Moore in his primary race in this election, said that the evangelical Christians he knows in Alabama would generally not approve of such a relationship. “People kid about some of this in rural areas. There are very conservative communities where some of that is condoned, where you have these teen brides and all that sort of thing. But for the vast majority of evangelicals, that’s not accepted behavior,” he said.

He said he’s not sure what to make of the report about Moore, and he’s not sure whether he’ll vote for him. “It’s been so many, so many years. People’s recollections are different. You don’t know if somebody’s embellishing,” Brinson said. “I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and say let’s see what the truth is.”

He said he wants to talk to Moore and his Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, and then send his personal conclusion to his email list of 3 million evangelical Alabama voters.

For most of them, a relationship such as the ones Moore is reported to have pursued with teens is far beyond the norm. But the idea recurs frequently. Even “Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson, a conservative Christian who married his wife when he was 20 and she was 16, caused a firestorm years ago for advising men, “You got to marry these girls when they are about 15 or 16.”

Easter said she experienced this courtship culture herself. As a woman in a fundamentalist Christian church who was expected to remain under her father’s roof until he handed her over to her husband, Easter became a “stay-at-home daughter” after high school. She said she understood the pressure a teenager might feel to marry an older man as a way to gain some measure of independence.

Easter left her fundamentalist community four years ago, at age 21, after leaving a courtship relationship. Now, she helps run Courage Conference, a gathering of people who have left abusive religious communities, and listens to the struggles of the women who attend. “Their lives are very difficult now that they’ve gotten free. When you have never learned to make your own choices, you haven’t learned how to be in charge of your life. Working through that can be very scary,” she said.

She said she’s also heard from many women that the purity culture — the strong emphasis placed on female virginity — harms survivors of childhood sexual abuse in these Christian communities. “When you’re taught that if you don’t dress modestly enough, that a man could lust after you and fall into sexual sin, then if a man has an abusive sexual relationship toward you, you could believe that it was what you were wearing or what you said or how you walked that caused him. Of course that’s untrue, but surely somebody could internalize that shame,” she said.

“Unfortunately, there’s a lot of abuse in those patriarchal communities,” she said. “It’s crazy how many child marriages happen in America.”

 

[GreyhoundFan]

"Mitch McConnell believes the women. Kellyanne Conway doesn’t."

Spoiler

IN CASE you had forgotten, this is what decency and common sense sound like: “I believe the women.” So stated Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Monday, referring to women who have accused GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore of pursuing them when they were teenagers (including one who was 14 at the time) and Mr. Moore was in his 30s. Mr. McConnell called on Mr. Moore to quit Alabama’s Senate special election, which is scheduled for next month.

The majority leader’s statement might seem so self-evident as not to be worth noting. Alas, such are not the times we are living through. Listen, for example, to the contortions of White House Counselor Kellyanne Conway, who said Sunday that she takes “very seriously allegations like this, particularly when they involve somebody who happened to be one of my daughters’ ages” and that she has “tried to be a very loud voice for a very long time against sexual impropriety” — but that Mr. Moore should not “just be cast aside as guilty.” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin was similarly perplexed: “If these allegations are true, then absolutely, this is incredibly inappropriate behavior.” These non-condemnation condemnations serve as much to cast doubt on Mr. Moore’s accusers as they do to denounce Mr. Moore’s alleged behavior.

But these women have no incentive to lie; just the contrary. Post reporters sought them out, not the other way around, and asked them to tell their stories about a man running to become one of the most powerful people in the country. For their trouble, Breitbart News and right-wing personalities have tried to smear these women, and powerful GOP officials from the White House on down have implied that they could be lying.

The smear campaign has so far done nothing to dent their credibility. The defense Mr. Moore offered last week on Sean Hannity’s radio show, in which the Senate candidate did not rule out that he pursued teenage girls when he was in his 30s, did more to bolster his accusers’ stories than to rebut them. Mr. Moore’s strategy is to yell “fake news” and portray himself as a victim. Meanwhile, one of Mr. Moore’s former colleagues told CNN that it was “common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls,” and a new accuser came forward with a harrowing story on Monday.

We already knew that Mr. Moore had been less than forthcoming about how he had rewarded himself financially from his charity. Now the Republican Party is at risk of sending an alleged abuser to the Senate. Now that Mr. McConnell has expressed his view, what will he and other Republicans do about Mr. Moore’s apparent determination to press on with his campaign?

It’s an important question. For the moment, though, Mr. McConnell deserves credit for treating these accusations with seriousness and the accusers with respect. It is sad that a president who supposedly tells it like it is so far cannot summon the same clarity.

Yeah, K-Con doesn't care about other women.

[47of74]

Keurig isn't the only one boycotting Hannity

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Some advertisers are removing their ads from Sean Hannity's Fox News show in response to his coverage of the sexual-misconduct allegations against Roy Moore, the Republican US Senate candidate in Alabama.

The list of advertisers includes Keurig, Cadillac, AARP, and Nature's Bounty, among others.

Can't wait for the Branch Trumpvidians to start smashing their caddies and tearing up their AARP cards. 

[fraurosena]

28 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

Keurig isn't the only one boycotting Hannity

Can't wait for the Branch Trumpvidians to start smashing their caddies and tearing up their AARP cards. 

I cant wait for Faux News to drop Hannity like they did O'Reilly.

[hoipolloi]

And someone makes the connection between Roy Moore and Doug Phillips (Is A Rapist Tool);

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Moore has an even deeper relationship with Doug Phillips, a disgraced leader in the “Biblical patriarchy” movement. Phillips was president of Vision Forum, a Texas-based organization devoted to the “restoration of the Christian household.” In Phillips’ world, men ought to be self-sufficient by the time they marry, but women live under their father’s authority until they marry. Ideally, in fact, a woman would live under her father’s literal roof until her wedding day. Phillips promoted the concept of “stay-at-home daughters,” in which girls live at home until they marry, often forgoing formal education and focusing on homemaking skills. Independence is essentially a flaw in a Christian wife, who, Phillips taught, should be willing to call her husband “Lord.”

 

[formergothardite]

From the Babylon Bee(satire)

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U.S.—A coalition of conservative evangelicals announced Tuesday they would withdraw support for AL Senate candidate Roy Moore, should at least three or four dozen more women come forward to accuse him of sexual misconduct.

The evangelical leaders confirmed their commitment to turn on Roy Moore the second a fortieth woman accuses him of inappropriate behavior.

“We take sexual assault very seriously, and that’s why we will call for Moore to withdraw as soon as he is reliably accused at least another 30 or 40 times—that would cross a line,” Jerry Falwell, Jr. said in a press conference. “It’s important to make sure you have way more than a paltry five credible claims against a Republican candidate before you expect us to concede.”

“Political power is far too precious for us to let go just over five or six isolated incidents of sexual assault and indiscretions against minors,” he added.

At publishing time, evangelicals had confirmed they would continue to blast Democratic politicians for their slightest foibles.

 

But it is pretty damn close to the truth, except I don't even think 30-40 women would make them drop support. 

http://babylonbee.com/news/evangelicals-announce-will-withdraw-support-roy-moore-three-four-dozen-women-come-forward/

[GrumpyGran]

The mall story should cement this. That is just too much to be invented. If you are looking for a story to reinforce the idea that Moore pursued teenage girls, you could find several other easier paths. Why not pay, as I assume the doubters are insinuating, a group of women to create a story of harassment at a sporting event? Make up something about him approaching girls at the high school football game.

There are just too many people who remember this ban at the mall for it to be concocted. And it shows that he was hunting in an area where he knew there would be young girls without parental supervision. Seriously, former mall employees, several of them, are at least aware that this was rumored at the time, or were told at the time that it was true. No one makes up rumors like that about someone unless there is something there.

Republican pols are desperate to get him out so they can organize a push for Strange. Hilarious to me that he has become a BIG problem for them.

[onekidanddone]

39 minutes ago, GrumpyGran said:

The mall story should cement this. That is just too much to be invented. If you are looking for a story to reinforce the idea that Moore pursued teenage girls, you could find several other easier paths. Why not pay, as I assume the doubters are insinuating, a group of women to create a story of harassment at a sporting event? Make up something about him approaching girls at the high school football game.

There are just too many people who remember this ban at the mall for it to be concocted. And it shows that he was hunting in an area where he knew there would be young girls without parental supervision. Seriously, former mall employees, several of them, are at least aware that this was rumored at the time, or were told at the time that it was true. No one makes up rumors like that about someone unless there is something there.

Republican pols are desperate to get him out so they can organize a push for Strange. Hilarious to me that he has become a BIG problem for them.

I'm thinking the Alabama Republican Syndicate knew all along about Moore, but were able to contain it because he was only an in-state politician. Now that he is trying to take the crazy train national, the shit has hit the fan and they can't contain it anymore. 

[GrumpyGran]

21 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

I'm thinking the Alabama Republican Syndicate knew all along about Moore, but were able to contain it because he was only an in-state politician. Now that he is trying to take the crazy train national, the shit has hit the fan and they can't contain it anymore. 

I'm also greatly amused by the defense put forth by that tool who's name I'm not even going to bother to go back and look at. So much time has gone by, statute of limitations has expired so let's just forget it. Thank goodness. I've been sweating over that hit-and-run from 30 years ago. And there's that embezzlement from the company 25 years ago. Oh, and that little drug dealing business I had on the side in the early 90s. But I'm a really good person, I am! So glad we can just forget about those things. Oh, yeah, and when I was stealing all the residents' jewelry at that retirement home, almost forgot about that.

Let's not forget that Roy Moore has also refused to enforce the law and has used money that was donated to a "charitable" organization for his own personal expenses. He should have been in prison a long time ago.

[JMarie]

6 hours ago, 47of74 said:

Keurig isn't the only one boycotting Hannity

Can't wait for the Branch Trumpvidians to start smashing their caddies and tearing up their AARP cards. 

I'm having a lousy day, and this brightened it up a bit!

[hasunah]

8 hours ago, 47of74 said:

Keurig isn't the only one boycotting Hannity

Can't wait for the Branch Trumpvidians to start smashing their caddies and tearing up their AARP cards. 

Let's see if they find a way to get their cars up to a second story balcony .

[Rachel333]

Roy Moore is speaking at a "God Save America Revival Conference" tonight. He hasn't spoken yet but they already prayed for him. (You can watch live here.)

CNN showed a little bit of it and there was what looked like a large-ish fundie-looking family singing. I'm curious if it was a family we've heard of.

[Rachel333]

I think Moore is about to speak. They're showing a video right now all about how wonderful he is. 

(Edit: Sorry for the double post. I didn't realize I was outside the window to combine posts.)

He's now telling a story about a little boy who said that God wants people to tell the truth and that if you don't tell the truth you'll go to Hell. How does someone live with this level of hypocrisy?

[Snowless]

I’ll say this: if Tiger Woods, Bill Cosby, and Harvey Weinstein have taught us anything about these kinds of scandals, it’s the following:

• One woman is an allegation.
• Two women is a fluke.
• Three woman is a “It may have happened”
• Four or more?  We have a pattern here and it is pretty certain the accused behavior actually happened.

Every time we hear more about this creep’s behavior and the more certain Republicans try to defend him, I feel like I want to rage flail.   Or facedesk.

[Rachel333]

He's now complaining about being harassed and, just minutes after talking about the importance of not letting gay people marry, he said that we live in an evil day where the government wants to take away your rights. He also says that he's being persecuted for following Jesus.

[47of74]

I see that idiot Rush Limbaugh has some "words of wisdom" about Moore;

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Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday criticized Republicans for distancing themselves from Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore, while saying that Moore was a Democrat at the time he allegedly engaged in sexual misconduct with teenage girls.

“Did you know that before 1992, when a lot of this was going on, that Judge Moore was a Democrat?” Limbaugh said on his radio show. “Nobody said a word.”

“When he supposedly was attracted to inappropriately-aged girls — he was a Democrat,” Limbaugh added.

Limbaugh also went after Republicans who have called on Moore to step aside from the race.

Go fornicate with yourself Rush.

 

[Snowless]

11 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

He's now complaining about being harassed and, just minutes after talking about the importance of not letting gay people marry, he said that we live in an evil day where the government wants to take away your rights. He also says that he's being persecuted for following Jesus.

He’s right: the government, or more specifically his party, wants to take away your rights and give fundies the freedom to discriminate against those not like them.  You know, the “bathroom bills” and so-called “religious freedom” laws?

Hence, a primary reason why I do not vote Republican.  (No offense intended towards any Republicans reading this thread.  If you’re a Republican on FJ, power to you for recognizing crazy.)

[GrumpyGran]

23 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

I see that idiot Rush Limbaugh has some "words of wisdom" about Moore;

Go fornicate with yourself Rush.

 

This is what a long-term opioid addiction does to you. He can't come up with anything that makes sense. What is he saying, that becoming a Republican healed Moore's pedophilia? That means Rush believes he did these things. So Republicans should stand by Moore even though he used to be a pedophile. Okay then.

[onekidanddone]

To be fair, I would think Muscle Shoals would know about clams.

 

[Rachel333]

It's kind of weird to see George Takei tweeting about that when he's got sexual assault allegations against him too.

[onekidanddone]

No surprise here. The Klan (looking at you Mr. Sessions) were often good 'church' going folks

 

[Howl]

HOLY BATCRAP, Hannity caved!  He now says Roy has 24 hours to prove that these allegations are not true or Hannity will.....  Hannity acted all steely eyed and forceful saying this.  I suspect Hannity was called in to a meeting with Faux executives, who said two words: Income stream. 

Now I guess all those Keurig smashers feel a little silly.  Three two one, and we'll  see youtubes of them pulling their Hannity posters off the walls of their respective rooms in mom's basement and tearing them up.  This, after yesterday's conversation with mom that began, "Calvin?  CALVIN?  CALVIN JOE???!!!  Where's my Keurig?" 

[Cartmann99]

On 11/14/2017 at 8:42 AM, 47of74 said:

Can't wait for the Branch Trumpvidians to start smashing their caddies and tearing up their AARP cards.

Wait, I thought that most of the conservative seniors left AARP a few years back for a Freedom Patriotic American Gun Family Jesus Liberty type group for seniors? I swear  there was a big dust up where AARP went against the Fox News party line about something or other, and their audience turned on AARP. Has enough time gone by that the Fox audience has forgotten?