Lori Alexander 31: The Viral Godly Tudor

[delphinium65]

6 hours ago, Loveday said:

I am so tired of Lori's misinterpretation of Genesis 3:16. How she gets what she does out of '...her desire shall be for her husband..." is beyond me. I may be interpreting it wrong myself, but I look at it as having almost a sexual meaning: that in spite of the pains and dangers of childbirth, and in spite of the fact that he 'rules' over her (the wording of the translation I just read), she still wants him, still desires him, still longs for him. It does NOT mean she desires to rule over him. 

A classic case of Lori adding to scripture what is simply not there, to suit her own purposes. 

That's closer to what I thought, since God was just talking about conception and childbearing.  Or one could take away from it that her desires would be subject to him, under his control, and he would decide whether or not to fulfill them, but even in that way I see nothing indicating that Eve wanted to control Adam. 

[Sarah92]

And now she rants against feminism. Without feminism she probably wouldn't be able to write her blog or sunbathe without any clothes on. I mean she might be able to but the chances would be much slimmer. Sin destroys families not feminism. Nor does it cause BPD (looking at you Ken).  Don't lay the burden of keeping the family together on women.

Guys haven't been feminized (what does that even mean?) Many have become infantilized but she just promotes that. Don't make them clean up after themselves, don't make them consider others, don't tell them what to do ever, don't ask them to take care of the children, bring them what they want and meet all of their demands. I feel insulted for guys because my respect unlike her isn't forced. 

[SuperNova]

1 hour ago, older than allosaurs said:

A lot of the savings in do-it-yourself comes from the avoided cost of similar quality. I can make first-rate granola and whole-grain sourdough bread for way less than it would cost at Whole Foods, but it isn't much cheaper than the stuff at the discount store, and it takes time and fuel. My homegrown organic vegetables cost less to produce than to drive around like Lori and buy them from the farmer, but maybe not less than buying conventional produce at Costco.

This is precisely why I learned to sew. I love, love, love the flowy skirts by Free People but I can't justify spending $280 on one. I bought one once from a discount site for $80 on mega clearance. When it arrived I was shocked by how simply made it was and thought, I bet could sew this and make it exactly my size. I'm super short and always have to tailor anyway. Et viola, a hobby is born!

[EowynW]

1 hour ago, older than allosaurs said:

Hear hear. I lived the homestead life for many years, and it takes equipment and time and, usually, money. The message that you can be more self-sufficient if necessary is one thing. The idea that raising chickens, for example, is a big money saver, is ignorant. We were able to move to the farm my father-in-law grew up on, so we had an established orchard, a henhouse, milking setup and stalls, and tools. No way could we have afforded all that, even if we had that time and skills to do all the construction ourselves.  I live in town now and still line-dry my washing, make bread and granola, use rain barrels, make compost,  grow vegetables and fruit, and save garden seeds. I'm guessing I save a few hundred dollars a year--not enough to make much difference if I had a big family. I certainly could earn more using that same time to work for wages.

A lot of the savings in do-it-yourself comes from the avoided cost of similar quality. I can make first-rate granola and whole-grain sourdough bread for way less than it would cost at Whole Foods, but it isn't much cheaper than the stuff at the discount store, and it takes time and fuel. My homegrown organic vegetables cost less to produce than to drive around like Lori and buy them from the farmer, but maybe not less than buying conventional produce at Costco.

 

It's mostly for the experience, and the good health benefits to me. I know it doesn't save a lot, especially starting out, but there's so many benefits, both health and mind, to living a simpler life, connected more to the growing, earth and animals. That we still find it so rewarding. 

[lilwriter85]

9 hours ago, Frog99 said:

It breaks my heart to see the way those “Christian” women respond when someone lays it out like the commenter who said that God provided her with a job and then blessed them in unexpected ways. These women have such vehemence towards women who work outside the home. These women don’t have any control in the home so they spew it outwards on those that believe differently. Sometimes, I think they are jealous. 

 

I have thought about that too at times. I also wonder if some of Lori's leghumpers are also insecure and possibly worried about the future. They might look at working mothers and realize that those women and their families may have additional financial security in case of the husband losing his job or something else happening. I believe that at very least a few of Lori's fangirls probably worry about money everyday. But, they pretend to be happy being a SAHM.

If some of Lori's fangirls never work, they might become envious of retired women when they are older. Let's face it, some of the fangirls will end up living in poverty when they are old. They are going to see other older women living comfortably on pensions and maybe decent SS checks. My parents have a friend who is 64 and living in poverty. She was a SAHM because her husband wanted her at home. She did go back to work when her kids were teens. Then she quit when her oldest daughter started having kids and wanted her to babysit. them. Her husband got early onset dementia in his late 50s and died a few years later. My parents' friend took care of him at home.  She receives his pension, but it's not that much. She has told my mom that she regrets not working and getting enough SS credits to get a higher check.

[Evangeline]

9 hours ago, usmcmom said:

I wonder if this "desire to control her husband," is common to certain "brands" of Christianity. I've been part of pretty conservative churches for thirty plus years and went to a very conservative Christian college. I have never heard of that interpretation of scripture until Lori declared it to be so. 

Has Ken ever chimed in on the original Greek for that verse?  I can't remember how he has spun it. 

I've never heard this either, and I sat under many a fundie preacher in my youth. Lori is worse than every last one of them, and that's saying a lot. I thought she made this up herself, so I'm disappointed that other people are teaching such trash. It's so obviously incorrect. I mean, the words and the context don't even hint at that interpretation, so WTF?

[lilwriter85]

Putting these here because we know they will be deleted.  If anyone from Lori Alexander Deleted is here. Feel free to put this on there.

 

 

[Seahorse Wrangler]

5 hours ago, fundamentallyfearless said:

This guy is my favorite human 

They may have had large families historically but a mjority of those kids died early due to preventable diseases. And accidents.

 

Even the richest and most powerful families rarely had more than half a dozen children who survived into adulthood and were able to reproduce.

[Frog99]

@lilwriter85 my parents moved into a retirement type community because my dad wanted to be sure my mom didn’t have to worry about who would cut the lawn or haul the trash away if something happened to him. He had to fill that role when my paternal grandfather died. My dad said he would not allow those tasks to one day become the responsibility of my sisters or our families. 

Both sets of grandparents (and my parents) planned for their needs as they aged (really, all of my relatives did). No way would my parents want to move in with either me or my sisters- they wouldn’t want to burden us. Not to mention, independence is important to both of them. 

I really dislike Lindy. Yes- God will provide but sometimes provision looks different than what we expect. 

And really- what is the issue they have with feminists? They are welcome to be keepers at home and such- how exactly does the fact that I work outside the home impact them in any way, shape, or form? It just reeks of desperation. 

[lilwriter85]

4 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

 

I really dislike Lindy. Yes- God will provide but sometimes provision looks different than what we expect. 

And really- what is the issue they have with feminists? They are welcome to be keepers at home and such- how exactly does the fact that I work outside the home impact them in any way, shape, or form? It just reeks of desperation. 

I have only noticed Lindy over the past couple of days and I already dislike her. She seems quite desperate to impress Queen Lori.

[Frog99]

Another thought- isn’t one of her fangirls approaching homelessness? And the only “advice” offered was to pray, Be meek and submissive towards him, and to “win him without a word”.  

Makes me wonder how many of these men left their meek and submissive wives for women with a more dominant personality. Not that it’s the woman’s fault- it absolutely isn’t- barring immediate safety issues, adults should act as adults.  It just highlights a potential crack in their teachings. 

[lilwriter85]

3 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

Another thought- isn’t one of her fangirls approaching homelessness? And the only “advice” offered was to pray, Be meek and submissive towards him, and to “win him without a word”.  

Makes me wonder how many of these men left their meek and submissive wives for women with a more dominant personality. Not that it’s the woman’s fault- it absolutely isn’t- barring immediate safety issues, adults should act as adults.  It just highlights a potential crack in their teachings. 

Which one was it? I must have missed that one. I do recall the fangirl whose husband requested an weekly allowance for chew and soda and they didn't have money in the bank and her refrigerator was almost empty and they were waiting for his pay day.

[Sarah92]

16 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

And really- what is the issue they have with feminists? They are welcome to be keepers at home and such- how exactly does the fact that I work outside the home impact them in any way, shape, or form? It just reeks of desperation. 

Haha I know right? All I can think of is "whatever did I ever do to you?". I'm a feminist but I could care less if a person is a SAHM. I believe in people using their gifts and if that means being a stay and home person, go for it! 

I've seen several people comment and other bloggers like Matt Walsh (sorry if anyone likes him, I don't) talk about women and men not being equal. They don't understand that equal worth is what's being empathized not that everyone is the same ability wise. How they don't get that idk but then again with Lori's, Ken's, and probably Matt's definition of Genesis 3 I'm not surprised. 

[Frog99]

7 minutes ago, lilwriter85 said:

Which one was it? I must have missed that one. I do recall the fangirl whose husband requested an weekly allowance for chew and soda and they didn't have money in the bank and her refrigerator was almost empty and they were waiting for his pay day.

I remember that one- I actually peeked on her page and part of me wondered if her post was serious. 

The one I’m thinking of is Sandi. I thought she commented a while back that she didn’t know what they were going to do about housing. I’m not sure if the divorce is final, but the husband has turned his family against her and the whole thing sounds nasty. 

Then there’s Joy- no real advice or words of encouragement for her either. She is divorced and posted that the ex said he wasn’t happy and now he is. It was on Lori’s post about happiness or a similar one. 

6 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

Haha I know right? All I can think of is "whatever did I ever do to you?". I'm a feminist but I could care less if a person is a SAHM. I believe in people using their gifts and if that means being a stay and home person, go for it! 

I've seen several people comment and other bloggers like Matt Walsh (sorry if anyone likes him, I don't) talk about women and men not being equal. They don't understand that equal worth is what's being empathized not that everyone is the same ability wise. How they don't get that idk but then again with Lori's, Ken's, and probably Matt's definition of Genesis 3 I'm not surprised. 

I followed him for a bit but so many of his posts were click baity and seemed full of anger- with nasty people in the comments engaging in hateful dialogue. Lori quoted him the other day- sure sign I was right to unfollow. 

[Sarah92]

8 minutes ago, Frog99 said:

I remember that one- I actually peeked on her page and part of me wondered if her post was serious. 

The one I’m thinking of is Sandi. I thought she commented a while back that she didn’t know what they were going to do about housing. I’m not sure if the divorce is final, but the husband has turned his family against her and the whole thing sounds nasty. 

Then there’s Joy- no real advice or words of encouragement for her either. She is divorced and posted that the ex said he wasn’t happy and now he is. It was on Lori’s post about happiness or a similar one. 

I followed him for a bit but so many of his posts were click baity and seemed full of anger- with nasty people in the comments engaging in hateful dialogue. Lori quoted him the other day- sure sign I was right to unfollow. 

I think I actually commented on one of Sandi's posts because it broke my heart. She mentioned staying with a friend. She might have been the one who's husband was addicted to porn. She also revealed that he had left bruises on her daughter. She was getting an Order of protection. Lori deleted that post. Idk why, maybe it was because Sandi said she was leaving Lori's page because of Ken's asinine comment about porn not being adultery.  I was the only one who asked how I can pray for her. Lori did the usual. 

Its very angry over on his page. A lot of hatred and misrepresenting liberals. I'm neither liberal nor conservative, so I find the amount of hate annoying and counterproductive on any side. Also he seems pretty strong on the gender roles thing. Maybe not as bad as Lori but they have the same level of hatred towards feminism. 

[Frog99]

31 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

I think I actually commented on one of Sandi's posts because it broke my heart. She mentioned staying with a friend. She might have been the one who's husband was addicted to porn. She also revealed that he had left bruises on her daughter. She was getting an Order of protection. Lori deleted that post. Idk why, maybe it was because Sandi said she was leaving Lori's page because of Ken's asinine comment about porn not being adultery.  I was the only one who asked how I can pray for her. Lori did the usual. 

Its very angry over on his page. A lot of hatred and misrepresenting liberals. I'm neither liberal nor conservative, so I find the amount of hate annoying and counterproductive on any side. Also he seems pretty strong on the gender roles thing. Maybe not as bad as Lori but they have the same level of hatred towards feminism. 

I think she is the one whose husband is addicted to porn- I remember when Ken said it wasn’t adultery (I don’t understand that at all). I wondered what was deleted in that post- I missed it and only saw where she posted that she hadn’t shared anything out of turn and secretive. It just amazes me that real opportunities to support women who are hurting are ignored and deleted. 

[Sarah92]

1 hour ago, Frog99 said:

I think she is the one whose husband is addicted to porn- I remember when Ken said it wasn’t adultery (I don’t understand that at all). I wondered what was deleted in that post- I missed it and only saw where she posted that she hadn’t shared anything out of turn and secretive. It just amazes me that real opportunities to support women who are hurting are ignored and deleted. 

I actually screen shot what she posted and forgot to delete it. I knew she was gonna be deleted It was a very long reply. I was debating whether or not to share it. Idk if they will upload but it's worth a shot. This was all deleted.  But she is getting an order of protection against her husband from what she told me in a final post when I expressed concern. I truly applaud this women I can't imagine what she's suffered. And she was very gracious towards Lori and Ken IMO. And I forgot I think Jilly posted some nice things to her too. But Jilly is blocked now as well. 

 

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[Frog99]

@Sarah92 Thanks for posting. I knew I missed something based on the comment thread and somehow got Ken’s statement about porn. I can’t imagine what she’s going through and I pray that doors for opportunities will continue to open for her and her girls. I’m glad they have friends to stay with where they can have their animals- I remember a post where Lori told her to sell them. It breaks my heart for Sandi and I hate that Lori deleted it. She can’t offer any kindness and empathy I suppose, because she’s only allowed to teach Titus 2 and submission (eyeroll). 

I read Jilly was banned but I missed what happened. She was always so sweet in her replies. 

[delphinium65]

10 hours ago, Frog99 said:

And really- what is the issue they have with feminists? They are welcome to be keepers at home and such- how exactly does the fact that I work outside the home impact them in any way, shape, or form? It just reeks of desperation. 

I was going to go with 'the same way gay marriage affects heterosexual couples-not at all!'  But another moment of thought led me to think they don't want their husbands on the job with you-not you specifically, the general category of women in workplaces with men. The more I think about it, the more likely it seems that Ken probably cheated with someone he worked with, perhaps more than one, and many of these women just don't trust their men to work alongside other women. But they can't actually blame their husbands because total submission, so it's all the women's fault, like everything else.   

[AlwaysDiscerning]

10 hours ago, lilwriter85 said:

Putting these here because we know they will be deleted.  If anyone from Lori Alexander Deleted is here. Feel free to put this on there.

 

 

Great one! This stuff infuriates me. Accusing people of no faith because they work....wow.

[EowynW]

Lindy is a hardcore fundy. They are all bad but she's in the even more radical realm of them. The King James Bible fanatics. It's different than just crazy KJversion people. At least in my lifetime of experience with fundies. 

[Curious]

isn't the saying "pride goeth before the fall?"  some of these women are going to be in for a rude awakening when life throws them a curve ball.

I really don't understand the "god will provide" if you sit around waiting for him to rain money from the sky or whatever they think is going to happen.

That mindset always reminds me of the flood story where 3 different types of rescuers are sent and all refused.  When the person dies and is at the pearly gates they say "Why didn't you save me" and God says 'I sent you 3 types of rescue what more did you want."  (paraphrasing all that, obviously).

[Koala]

From today's post:

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I visited with a neighbor yesterday who raised one son. He was never given any boundaries. He ate what he wanted, when he wanted, watched what he wanted, and went to bed when he wanted. He is in high school now and she is ashamed of him. He has brought so much pain and suffering into their lives. She looked at me and said, “You did it right. You were black and white parents; ‘yes’ meant ‘yes’ and ‘no’ meant ‘no.’ We were gray parents and we are now paying the price.”

How nice.  The Godly Busybody is doing exactly what the Bible says idle people will do.  She's roaming from house to house, gathering gossip, and then tattling to her readers, speaking things she ought not about her neighbor.  And to top it all off, she's using the opportunity to pat herself on the back for what a great mother she was.

Perhaps, it would serve Lori well to reflect on Titus 5:13:

And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not

[AlwaysDiscerning]

I highly doubt it was said just like this

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“You did it right. You were black and white parents; ‘yes’ meant ‘yes’ and ‘no’ meant ‘no.’ We were gray parents and we are now paying the price.”

It is bragging at its finest. Na, na, na, look I was right all these years and you were WRONG!

[Koala]

More self congratulations on what an awesome mom she was:

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We raised our children with a lot of boundaries. We were considered strict parents. They didn’t get to choose what and when they ate, what they watched, and when they went to bed. We decided these for them when they were young. I made most of their food from scratch and made sure they ate a lot of fruits, vegetables, and healthy foods. 

Of course we know that's not exactly true, because according to Ken, Lori gave them salad, and then they begged for the food he cooked when he got home from work.

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They weren’t allowed to watch much television but spent a lot of time outside playing and reading, instead. 

Except for the Alyssa, who at the age of 5 (yes, 5) was watching soap operas with her mother.

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 It takes a mother home full time to teach, train, nurture, and discipline her children. 

Yes, a mother, and a maid, and a nanny who's willing to care for the children while mother "rests".

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Children need their mothers to do this job because teachers, nannies, and daycare providers aren’t going to do this for them. 

Unless you're like Lori, and have a "nanny sent from heaven".  Then it's different.

9 minutes ago, AlwaysDiscerning said:

I highly doubt it was said just like this

It is bragging at its finest. Na, na, na, look I was right all these years and you were WRONG!

Oh, but the Alexanders have had this happen before!  People are always pulling them aside to confide that Lori and Ken had it right all along:

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To the consternation of some friends and family members who thought us too demanding in discipline, we tried to explain that the greatest gift of love you can give a child is self-discipline. Many of these same detractors in later years have privately told us “You did it right.”

So you see, Lori and Ken were right all along.  If you haven't realized it yet, you're just a "detractor", and you'll surely figure it out eventually.