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It was chilling reading Lori's post today, her proclamation that God doesn't want us to solve poverty or the denial of human rights and that, even if we could, it would be meaningless.  I've imagined God giving her a stern talking to when she dies, but now I'm honestly concerned for her fate.  She's not really saying that it's impossible, so don't try -- she has admitted before that she can't possibly convince all women to live the way she thinks God wants them to, yet she keeps trying.  No, she's saying that poverty, education, health care, war, and human rights don't matter. 

And why is she saying that?  Because she wants to feel morally superior while continuing to live her comfortable life, having everything she needs and wants without working or volunteering her time to help others.  What she is doing-- "teaching" women how to live -- must be the most important thing in the universe.  She has free time that most of us could only dream of, and that's how she chooses to spend it.  Because she is morally superior, what she is doing must be what God cares most about.

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One must develop a thick skin if they are going to be teaching godly womanhood in today’s culture, Katy. Do you follow me on Facebook? I wrote a handwritten post about handling critical and mean words thrown against us. Put on the shield of faith and let those words “ping” off of the shield and go straight up to God. He will handle those who are against us and His ways. We don’t have to worry about it!

Has anyone been "handled" yet by God? I think she means God is going to give us a good talking to for messing with Lori. Oddly, I find my life keeps getting better and better and blessing after blessing.

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2 hours ago, AuntKrazy said:

Lori cannot seem grasp that caring about God compels us out of our homes and into a broken world, where we are meant to be salt and light.  Saying that does NOT devalue sincere Christian women are homemakers; but nor does it devalue sincere Christian women who choose to obey God by having a vocation.  Caring for one's household is not a one-size-fits all scenario.  She has set up another false dichotomy

The Bible says both to beware of false teachings, and also told that the mark of true faith is love for Jesus and love for others.  It seems to me that sifting Lori's teachings for a love of Jesus and a Love of others is exactly what the Bible exhorts us to do.

Thank  you for those quotes, Aunt Krazy.  Obeying God includes caring for the poor, the widows and the orphans.  Lori is big on the church supporting widows, but, while the Bible teaches that we should care for them, full support is reserved for those who qualify. 

9 No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband, 10 and is well known for her good deeds,such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the Lord’s people, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

This verse teaches that we women are called to serve others, not just our families. 

 

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Hi Lori! Hope you're having a great day. I'm just gonna assume you might be reading this. If not then I might be feeling a bit paranoid.

Yep I'm gonna admit it poverty and people dying are more important then the amount of clothes people wear. Modesty is a very culturally based thing. It changes based on culture. I wonder if Jesus' mother breastfeed him in public? If a man or woman has a lust  problem they will lust no matter the amount of clothes. Jesus doesn't say put more clothes on, instead he puts the emphasis on the lustful person to correct their ways. 

Also in an earlier post, I gave a non exhaustive list of Bible verses that dealt with poverty, social justice, and taking care of the oppressed. So yes God very much calls us to do these things. Sodom and Gomorrah was also destroyed because they did not show hospitality. Furthermore, one of their sexual sins could have been lust and obviously they didn't have a problem raping people. It had little to do with modesty and much to do with lust and power. At least this is from my perspective. 

And if we don't care about the hardships people are going through then how are we to reach them? Christianity is not marriage, Christianity is about sharing the light of the gospel and sitting with people in the pit of their despair and comforting them. I'm going into counseling I know the importance of family. Heck I've taken classes on it and have been taught skills to help families stay together. But Christians first priority is always Christ and spreading the Gospel. The Gospel is love, caring about people's problems is love, trying to better the world for those hurting is love. I may never have romantic love but I do not wish to live without agape love. 

27 minutes ago, Koala said:

She seriously just deleted several comments agreeing with her.  Wine o'clock already, Lori? :obscene-drinkingbuddies:

Seriously what's up with that new trend? I also haven't seen Lindy for a while..... 

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10 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

Also in an earlier post, I gave a non exhaustive list of Bible verses that dealt with poverty, social justice, and taking care of the oppressed. So yes God very much calls us to do these things. Sodom and Gomorrah was also destroyed because they did not show hospitality. Furthermore, one of their sexual sins could have been lust and obviously they didn't have a problem raping people. It had little to do with modesty and much to do with lust and power. At least this is from my perspective. 

It's important to remember how things went down in Sodom and Gomorrah.  The crowd confronts Lot and asks for the men he has taken into his home.  Lot responds: "Hey, don't do bad things to these dudes.  They are my guests.  But I got some virgin daughters, if you want to rape them and stuff. I'm cool with that."

So, frankly, I think we should just not use this story as a guide whatsoever.  Because it really hasn't aged well.  

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But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

 

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Today's post leaves me feeling sad. It's cold and empty and extremely dismissive of the very real suffering that many people face every day. I am not offended by Lori but I do find her approach offensive. It's absolutely deviod of any real feeling or humanity and completely lacks compassion. For me, the worst part of anything she writes is that she never speaks from love. Love is the only thing on this earth that makes any sense.

Why doesn't she see that every last topic that she dismisses or chooses to harp on is solved by love? You have love for your mate, you don't ogle bodies on the beach. You love your spouse, you both work hard to keep things going. You love your children, you are patient with them. You love your fellow man, you feed them when they are hungry. I could go on but you get the idea. This life that we all live is not the battle she makes it out to be. 

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Thank you Lori for your faithfulness to share Biblical truth. 

Actually, what Lori wrote today is completely contrary to "Biblical truth".  That's why her entire 8 paragraph diatribe didn't contain a single shred of scripture.  

You can think of it as Lori's attempt to explain to her readers what's important to her.

Keeping a wandering Ken from drooling over other women?  Extremely important.

Feeding the hungry?  Not so much. 

By the way, would you be interested in seeing a video of her recent finds at the health food store?  Or what about a video or two of her favorite things evah?!?  Just checking... :pb_rollseyes:

But really, God doesn't want you worrying about hungry people.  Promise!

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I know you are not doing this to receive praises from people but you are being obedient to God’s Word.  Just ignore those whiny people who complain about what you write.

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Oh, I do, Regina.  

Well, number one, if Lori doesn't do this for praise, then why is she constantly reposting what she considers positive comments from Amazon/Facebook/and her blog about how wonderful she is??  Why has she asked (multiple times) for positive reviews for her book? 

In fairness, I don't think she only does it for praise.  I think sowing contention, arguing, and feeling like she's able to control others is much more important to her.  I also think she puts a pretty high premium on feeling superior.

Number two- Lori's assertion that she ignores the "whiny" people who complain about what she writes is a flat out lie.  She admitted just the other day that she reads it.  She dedicates entire posts (as in, many of them) to people who don't agree with her.  She gives tips for how to handle it when you realize that not everyone thinks you speak for The God of the Universe (pro-tip: "PING!").  She sends Ken riding in on his Horse of TRUTH to argue for her.

The woman is nuts.  Hell, she tried to get contact information on a woman who left a negative Amazon review, because she wanted to call and confront her. 

But yeah, she just ignores it.  Totally. 

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Because of course one doesn't dare go to a non-Christian dentist's office. Who knows WHAT kinds of articles one might find there? Certainly not ones that so conveniently fit Lori's agenda.  :my_dodgy:

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Lori, please don't read those hateful websites that discourage what you promote. I was at my Christian dentists office the other day and read an article about how destructive they can be to those who believe in biblical womanhood. They named one, Free Ginger(I think?), that is particularly destructive. Stay your course, don't deviate from what we women need to know. Blessings to you!

Not to mention...what magazine had an article about Free Jinger? Anyone know? :pb_lol:

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47 minutes ago, SuperNova said:

 For me, the worst part of anything she writes is that she never speaks from love. Love is the only thing on this earth that makes any sense.

Why doesn't she see that every last topic that she dismisses or chooses to harp on is solved by love? You have love for your mate, you don't ogle bodies on the beach. You love your spouse, you both work hard to keep things going. You love your children, you are patient with them. You love your fellow man, you feed them when they are hungry. I could go on but you get the idea. This life that we all live is not the battle she makes it out to be. 

The real problem is that Lori has no idea what love is. 

She didn't love Ken when she married him (see the previous posts about the wedding shower and 'deciding' to marry him) and seems to tolerate him more than anything else (5 minutes and some lube but only in he mornings).

Lori doesn't seem to feel that motherly love most women have for their children (letting them cry for hours, beating them over raisins).

Since Lori doesn't seem to know what love is as it relates to her own family, it doesn't surprise me that she's unable to write with even an ounce of compassion towards things she knows nothing about (poverty, hunger, human rights violations, etc).

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4 hours ago, EowynW said:

I'm a gun owner and a licensed CHL carrier but I do agree with you on the guns thing to. I don't think they are to be worshiped right up there next to the Bible. Lol 

Since we both live in TX, I thought you might appreciate this story.  A few weeks ago, I was at a Walmart in a nice suburban area of a large city.  There was an older female in the same aisle wearing a t-shirt that had the words God, Guts and Guns in large type on separate lines on the back of the shirt.  Below them, it said something to the effect of needing to return to all three to be great again.  I think that the front of the shirt just had a small emblem, but I really don't remember.  I was a bit surprised by it - I don't think of God and guns belonging together - hopefully people don't need guns to be close to God.  I felt it was inappropriate and ridiculous.

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6 minutes ago, crawfishgirl said:

Since we both live in TX, I thought you might appreciate this story.  A few weeks ago, I was at a Walmart in a nice suburban area of a large city.  There was an older female in the same aisle wearing a t-shirt that had the words God, Guts and Guns in large type on separate lines on the back of the shirt.  Below them, it said something to the effect of needing to return to all three to be great again.  I think that the front of the shirt just had a small emblem, but I really don't remember.  I was a bit surprised by it - I don't think of God and guns belonging together - hopefully people don't need guns to be close to God.  I felt it was inappropriate and ridiculous.

Yes, that attitude has always irked me. 

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There is a showdown right now on fb re breastfeeding and covering up. 23 comments. Will probably all be gone soon.

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Carolyn Miles I do disagree with the breastfeeding comment. While I did practice modesty feeding my baby, sometimes it is difficult and he didn't want to be totally covered up while eating as he got older. Maybe I misunderstand you. Breastfeeding is the most beautiful and natural thing to do.

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Mary Guzman Does god say we must cover our children while they eat lol I don’t think that’s in the Bible. I think that’s a personal choice to not see it.

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The Transformed Wife I nursed four children for at least a year each and not one man who wasn't my husband saw my breasts. Part of being modest is covering our breasts from men who aren't our husbands, yes, even while breastfeeding. This was common knowledge just 20 years ago. No, we don't go along with what our culture considers acceptable. We go with God's Word who commands that women be modest, discreet, shamefaced (not drawing attention to ourselves) and chaste.

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Elaina Green I’ve nursed three children with a cover. It’s been challenging at times as they’ve gotten older but NOT impossible like many women make it out to be. 
NATURAL does NOT equal appropriate for the general public to see. 

Sex = natural and beautiful (in marriage)...appropriate for the general public? NO.
Using the bathroom ? All part of God’s wonderful design for the body! ...appropriate for the general public? NO.

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Elaina Green I also get tired of hearing people say “our culture sexualizes breast’s... breast are for feeding babies. It’s the men that have a problem.”

Umm. No. GOD sexualized breasts. HE hardwired it into the male brain to be attracted to them. 
Yes, breasts are for babies. But they are ALSO for husbands. It’s called DUEL purpose. Not that hard to figure out! 

Pro 5:19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

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Tracy Elizabeth I breastfeed on demand but I can be modest about it without a cover. It's really simple. ♡ People complicate it, from both sides.

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Nicki Kelchner-Bulicek Elaina Green thank you for your wise comments! Right on as one who nursed three children.

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Carolyn Miles Elaina Green where did it say god sexualized breasts? Because man said so?

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The Transformed Wife Elaina Green I agree 100%!

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Carolyn Miles I'm not disagreeing with you I definitely think there should be modesty but I don't think God sexualized breasts

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Nicki Kelchner-Bulicek Carolyn Miles his word openly states repeatedly that man is made this way. Science proves it further. While the Lord also speaks of man being responsible for control over the urges it also speaks of women being responsible for our bodies and not causing our brothers in Christ to stumble.

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Carolyn Miles Tracy Elizabeth very true Tracy.

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Carolyn Miles Nicki Kelchner-Bulicek so should we not also hold man just as responsible as the woman?

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The Transformed Wife Carolyn Miles look up Proverbs 5:19. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and thou be ravished always with her love.

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Carolyn Miles The Transformed Wife who wrote that?

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Amanda Ramos Eckholm Read Song of Solomons and tell me God didn't sexualize breasts!! I have nursed 5 children and am expecting baby 6 and would never dream of exposing myself while nursing. It's having respect for my husband and myself and those around me to be modest. Just because something is permissible doesn't make it beneficial. 1 Corinthians 10:23

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Elaina Green That scripture is just one of them. Read it Cheryl.

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Amanda Ramos Eckholm Carolyn Miles the Bible is God breathed. So God wrote it through men.

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The Transformed Wife Carolyn Miles it’s not our job to hold men responsible. It’s our job to obey God and be modest and discreet. We are also commanded to not be stumbling blocks to others.

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Carolyn Miles Thank you for the insight

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Elaina Green Also, ask ANY straight (e.i, normal) man if breasts are sexual. The answer is yes because God hard wired them that way. They are responsible for where they look but they shouldn’t have to struggle when they are just trying to go out to eat, shopping, c...See More

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Nicki Kelchner-Bulicek The Transformed Wife Exactly! So many get offended by so many things that the Bible says yet claim to believe in it! Not saying you specifically Carolyn, just saying so many in general and no I'm not judging just stating an observation.

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Elaina Green If you don’t believe the Bible is God’s word, you have no need to be here. You can go get your opinions off the cosmoskeleton(cosmopolitan) magazine, national pornographic (national geographic), and playboy if you don’t care what God’s word says.

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Carolyn Miles Elaina Green so inviting

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Carolyn Miles Elaina Green I don't believe I ever once said that I just asked where

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Elaina Green Now I’ve got a random woman messaging me about it and complaining... lol. She’s mad that her dumb feminist comments aren’t tolerated here.

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Carolyn Miles Elaina Green not tolerable is one thing but perhaps should be more inviting and bring them to gods way and share and teach his truths with fellow women. I always like a respectful discussion and can learn from it.

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ANSWER-- Carolyn's comment about liking respectful discussion to learn from is gone in the second shot. A mere few mins later. 

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Oh for Rufus' sake. The Victorians did not cover up while breastfeeding. They were a seriously overly moral and sexually repressed bunch and They. Did. Not. Cover. Up. Not even in church. They didn't believe in women having anything more than head and hands exposed and they thought nothing of nursing in public. These women need to stop competing in the Morality Olympics.

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2 hours ago, Georgiana said:

It's important to remember how things went down in Sodom and Gomorrah.  The crowd confronts Lot and asks for the men he has taken into his home.  Lot responds: "Hey, don't do bad things to these dudes.  They are my guests.  But I got some virgin daughters, if you want to rape them and stuff. I'm cool with that."

So, frankly, I think we should just not use this story as a guide whatsoever.  Because it really hasn't aged well.  

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But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

 

I think I'll have to agree with you on that. I just finished a week long class on acute trauma today, so perhaps I should have thought of that. I think you rounded out the point I couldn't  quite articulate or wasn't fully fleshed out. It's not the best example for anything really, except perhaps the all around extreme brokenness and darkness that humans are capable of.  

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I love that immediately after Elaina referred to Carolyn's comments as "dumb" and invited her to leave the page, one of Lori's empty headed sheeple chimed in with:

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What did Elaina say that was unkind and unloving?

Umm, hello??  I swear, some of these people are literally operating without a brain.

Also, the next time Lori wants to kick back and watch her sisters in Christ tear each other apart, maybe she should reflect on these bits of sage advice:

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Nobody likes a know-it-all and someone who forces their opinions on others. 

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Feminine women shouldn't be ones who argue cases and debate others. 

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Women shouldn't be arguing over issues that have no eternal significance like organic or not organic, vaccinations or no vaccinations, public school or homeschool, sleep training or co-sleeping, spanking or not spanking, etc. 

Women shouldn't argue over issues that have no eternal significance, yet, Lori has spent the better part of the afternoon arguing over breastfeeding.  

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I think once again they forget that our concept of modesty is just that, ours. They mention going to bathroom in private, many countries don't have that luxury. Breastfeeding with a cover, I'm sure not all countries practice that either. In many ways our modesty is a luxury. We can change privately, go to the bathroom privately, and bathe privately because we have big houses with multiple rooms. I'm not advocating for anyone just to run around naked or to give up privacy. I'm a very private person after all. But these women would be quite shocked if they went to a different country. I hope they wouldn't sit there telling others about how immodest they are 

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Haha. It’s not hard to figure out that breasts are DUEL purpose!!!  Oh my god. I should go make a meme of a couple of boobs, armed with muskets I think, counting off five paces before the draw. I’m just finding this hilarious.  

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Also I'd like to see Lori look a mother with a dying child, who can't afford care, that health care isn't a right. It might not be a right but that doesn't mean it's not part of morality. 

Anyways, I thought I'd say this after reading the argument that took place over breastfeeding. I appreciate the way people seem to interact on this form. It appear many of the people here come from different perspectives but overall I have seen a wonderful amount of respect with replies etc, even with disagreements. I don't see that often on the Internet. I've only been here a short time but I'm impressed. 

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8 hours ago, RosyDaisy said:

It's actually 4 issues. You forgot guns.

Lori likes guns. Well maybe 'likes' is the right word, but she thinks having a gun to defend herself is a good thing. I'm not American, and America's obsession with guns has always perplexed me. Do Christians support, or not support, Americans having guns? (Genuine question).

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1 minute ago, KDA said:

Lori likes guns. Well maybe 'likes' is the right word, but she thinks having a gun to defend herself is a good thing. I'm not American, and America's obsession with guns has always perplexed me. Do Christians support, or not support, Americans having guns? (Genuine question).

I've seen both. Most Christians in the Republican Party will support gun use even if they themselves don't have one. I'm not as familiar with the liberal views which I think might be more varied? But generally yes they support guns. I've grown up in a house with guns for hunting and most of my family has guns for the same purpose. My family is predominantly Christian. I personally have yet to form an opinion, working on that though.

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It looks like Lori is getting more desperate to control her narrative...which is the only correct one!  Does she not understand that all these deletions make her look nuttier than a fruitcake?  In fact, they make her look unstable and unsure, unable to explain her beliefs and views.  She repeats the same thing, or versions of the same thing over and over which make her arguments look feeble.  She's digging herself farther and farther into a hole full of ultra-right fundies that nobody likes except themselves.

I am glad to have seen FJ mentioned on her site, however briefly.  Maybe some of her readers will check us out and find out we are not the great satan she says we are.

Given her recent behavior I'm a little concerned she'll become untethered.  Seriously.

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10 hours ago, Koala said:

Today's post is an answer to the woman who asked her how she could be so obsessed with modesty, when there are much bigger concerns like human rights, hunger, etc.  

Lori's answer is basically the same as the one she deleted- God doesn't care about these issues, and we can't solve them, so obviously the fact that Ken can't stop looking at other women modesty is the only thing that really matters.

She is a piece of work.  I am going to put the whole post under spoiler, because I have a strong feeling it will be heavily edited or deleted later.

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From my post about modesty that I wrote the other day, I have learned that some today think that women dressing immodestly is trivial compared to nations being bombed, corrupt governments, access to health care, education, human rights, and poverty so I shouldn’t worry about these things I write about. There are so many more important things in the world to worry about, they tell me. So what if women want to run around naked, or be preachers, or have careers and leave their children in the care of strangers to raise. There are much bigger issues we should be dealing with!

Tell me, how are they going to solve the issues they are so concerned about? Now I see why many today are so miserable and unable to have happy lives. There is no way they are going to solve nations from being bombed, stop corrupt governments, fix all access to health care, education, human rights, and poverty. ALL of these are completely out of our control and God doesn’t ask us to solve any of them!

There will always be nations at war with each other. Health care, education, and human rights are not God-given rights as long as we live on this sin-infested planet since this isn’t our home. We are promised persecution if we believe in Him. Yes, we speak out and do what we can for all those who have no voice like the millions of babies who are being killed in their mothers’ wombs each year, the fatherless, and the children who are being sold into sex-trafficking but these will continue to happen as long as there are evil people and sin in this world. As sexual immorality and the breakdown of the family increase, so will evil and the consequences of it.

Jesus said that we will always have the poor among us. Yes, we help those we can but we can’t fix poverty or any of the world’s problems. We aren’t asked to do so. Even if we could possibly solve all of these issues, it would be meaningless in the end since this world and everything in it will one day be burned up. All those who refuse to believe in Christ and live in rebellion to Him will spend eternity in a horrific place called hell. This should concern us more than anything else! People need Jesus.

Sadly, many people today don’t seem to have a problem with sexual immorality. It’s low on their totem pole of the world’s problems. I guess they have never read Romans 1 and the progression of sin in people’s lives. It begins with people not glorifying God and being unthankful, then ends with all types of sexual perversions.

Do you remember why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed? Yes, sexual sin leads to many more sins that destroy nations so I would never take immodesty lightly since God doesn’t. As President John Adams said, “The Jews, the Greeks, the Romans, the Swiss, the Dutch, all lost their public spirit, their Republican principles and habits and their Republican forms of government when they lost the modesty and domestic virtues of their women.”

As long as we live on this earth, wars, poverty, human rights, and other sufferings will continue but God doesn’t ask us to fix the world’s problems or even worry about them. He wants us to believe in Him, live in obedience to His Word, love Him, and love all those around us by serving and being generous with them.

When the Apostle Paul was giving instructions about women’s roles in the church and in marriage, he lived in an evil culture but when women live as they are called to live, they have a huge impact on all those around them. This is what this world needs more than anything else; Christians who walk according to God’s way so they can see Jesus living in and through them.

She is essentially saying that nothing (aside from submission/modesty/and being a sahw/sahm) really matters.  How ironic that her pet topics just happen to be God's pet topics.  After all, why would he worry about a human being going hungry, when there are women parading around in thong bathing suits?!

In other news, it looks like Ken spent a lot of time at the beach this week.  From Instagram:

 

I guess in Lori land it makes no sense to worry about the hungry, human rights violations, or wars.  What's really important to God, is that new moms don't breastfeed in public.  That is a problem worth solving.

I'm going to suggest it is Lori who lives in a make-believe world.  One where only her pet topics exist as important.

Any man who sexualizes a woman feeding her baby has some issues.  First, you can't even see the boob once a baby is latched on and if the quick glimpse of a nipple or some side boob makes you so aroused you can't control yourself, that is a problem with the man.

The men she seems to think exist (and I'm sure they do but are pretty rare) are not men most women would want to be around (perhaps this explains the incel stuff).  They are barely able of human thought when seeing even a smidgeon of female flesh or they being lustful beings instantly.  Gross. Not to mention dangerous.

Further, these "command men" who are supposed to lead and support the family can't manage to do even the most simple chores, chores that a CHILD could master easily or it will, I don't know, break their psyche.

I don't think most women find a lusting beast that can't manage to put some cereal in a bowl by himself or throw in a load of laundry when he walks by the washer to be "marriage material."

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