Jana's Future 5 - The More Things Seem to Change...

[The Wanderer]

3 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Jana was probably sharing her bed with a little one, so Joshy left her alone.

Would that have really stopped him though?

[Analytica49]

On 2017-06-28 at 2:44 PM, JoyJoy said:

I'm surprised by our love of JD. I remember FJ negatively discussing his humor in the past. I  would never have guessed that one day someone would call him "the George Clooney of fundieland" .

I agree, @JoyJoy. I've always had a rather dim view of JD, ever since he pulled pranks at Josh and Anna's wedding. I don't care about Josh, but it seemed cruel to do to Anna, a young and naive person. Wasn't JD the ringleader in filling up the getaway car with disgusting objects? And I know that he pretended to have lost the rings. That kind of sense of humor just seems immature to me.

What reasons are there to have a high opinion of JD? Apparently he engages in real work--but that only looks good because almost none of the rest of the Duggar kidults do. In the ordinary world, working for a living is normal, not exceptional, and certainly not something to be extravagantly admired.

He walked Jenny down the aisle and back at Joy's wedding--nice, but it might not even have been his idea. And even if it was, does it make him special? Shouldn't an older brother want to support a much younger sister?

He also made the joke about "bachelor til the rapture." But I'm guessing that phrase is not his invention. He has just never struck me as being verbally adroit. He's heard it somewhere else, saved it up, and now gets credit for it.

Have we ever seen JD go out of the way to help the older sisters with all the work around the house? Have we ever seen him being supportive to them in a significant way? (Several other posters noted that we don't even have much evidence that he is close with Jana, his twin.)

I'm afraid that JD is like other patriarchal, fundamentalist males: He believes he's a member of the superior gender/sex; he thinks women exist to feed him, do his laundry, and clean up after him; and when he gets married, his wife will have no more prospect of freedom than any of his sisters have.

[Eatingintheprayercloset]

Weren't the oldest set of twins only 18 when Josh/Anna married? I don't expect 18 year olds to not have an immature sense of humor. It would be a different story if JD pulled the car prank at Jinger or Jill's weddings. 

[Mayluka]

16 minutes ago, Eatingintheprayercloset said:

Weren't the oldest set of twins only 18 when Josh/Anna married? I don't expect 18 year olds to not have an immature sense of humor. It would be a different story if JD pulled the car prank at Jinger or Jill's weddings. 

John-David did the same thing to the getaway car at Erin (Bates) and Chad Paine's wedding. JD was 23 (almost 24) at that time. 

[Kayleigh83]

Of course we have a pretty limited and filtered view of all the members of this family,  and at the end of the day John David is still a product of his upbringing and environment, but I think what a lot of people see is that he seems more likable at least in comparison (especially to Josh).  Not necessarily that he is a fantastic guy by most of our "real world" standards.  More that he maybe has the potential in him and could have been so much more given the right conditions, whereas it never seemed like Josh would've ever had that potential even if he had grown up in the "real world ".

[PainfullyAware]

When I watched the last Counting on episode I was trying to put my finger on something about Austin that seems ... like he's trying too hard. He's so earnest, so focused on being proper and so eager to start a family, without any outward signs of rushing to the altar because of hormones (like Ben). I ended up contrasting him with JD.

I think what might JD seem likeable is that he has a vibe like he's not taking everything as seriously as the rest of them. But not in a way that makes him seem like a flake- whether it's having some real employment or being earnest in the interviews on the show after the Josh scandal came out - he's capable of seeming earnest.

I totally get that I might be guilty of assuming things about him, (à la Ivanka and Jared must be moderates because they're trendy and from New York). But at the very least he seems more likeable than some of the other holier-than-thou Duggars. I'm sure he's just as patriarchal and conservative as the rest of them. Fundy with a smile?

 

[calimojo]

JD impressed me with his comments about Josh during season 1.  He did seem to genuinely understand how serious Josh's issues were and it seems as if it permanently changed how JD viewed Josh.  He also indicated that he felt he needed to step up and be the big brother because he had lost faith in Josh.  I appreciated both he and Joe during those interviews because they seemed so genuine at the time. 

I also think I like JD because he mostly seems over it.  I think he really knows the show is dumb, and he doesn't enjoy being a part of it.  He does the minimum of what he has to do , but he really isn't playing along and over eager like Josiah.  I think if someone told JD he never had to be on TV again,  he would be absolutely fine with that. 

I think personality wise, JD and Jana are similar.  They have a better work ethic than the rest of the lazy bunch, they are more reserved and neither seem to desperately want to be a part of the circus of the show.  They do what is expected of them because they were raised to fully respect their parent and likely never or rarely assert themselves with JB and Michelle. 

 JD  seems like a go to guy in the family.  Joe does as well.  He might grumble about some stuff, but I bet in the end, he will do for others when he can, within the confines of his ability.  I doubt he would willingly do the laundry, but I bet he would happily build a great Laundry Sorting table and cart so that the job is easier.  He might not happily cook a meal, but I bet he eats what is served and is grateful.  He might not take responsibility for raising the kids, but he would teach them how to use tools, and how to ride the riding lawn mower, etc. 

I am somewhat haunted by the music box story, especially in light of what we know about Josh and his late night prowling in his sister's room.  Is it possible that Jana went to her parents about a seemingly annoying little sister (Jessa), as her cover story, when in fact she was truly asking for some other kind of protection and intervention from her parents?  Would she have even had words to explain what Josh was doing, but just felt unsafe in someway and used the story about Jessa bugging her as cover? 

I can remember being afraid to be alone in my room as a kid, and calling for my mom to come in because of one thing or another.  They were just excuses to get her to come to my room because I was scared of the dark.  I was an only kid at the time, and had nothing to really fear, just normal kid afraid of the dark stuff.

Anyway,  it breaks my heart to think that Jana may have been trying to get some attention from her parents about a situation that was beyond her ability to manage, only to have lazy JB and Lazy Michelle, do nothing except make her give away something of value to her to Jessa.  They really are horrible parents.  I so hope that as the next generation raises their kids that they start to realize how messed up their childhood was and vow to raise their kids differently. 

[Chewing Gum]

Why I don't have the feeling Jana used the music box thing to get their parents to catch Josh, I still do want to buy her a nice music box. I hope things have reconciled a bit between Jessa and Jana. 

[Fundie Bunny]

45 minutes ago, Chewing Gum said:

Why I don't have the feeling Jana used the music box thing to get their parents to catch Josh, I still do want to buy her a nice music box. I hope things have reconciled a bit between Jessa and Jana. 

That makes no sense. Jessa was probably around 3 when this happened, long before josh did anything that we know of. And if Jana can't forgive an annoying little sister, then i have no sympathy for her.

[subsaharanafrica]

What music box thing?

[Carm_88]

21 minutes ago, subsaharanafrica said:

What music box thing?

Jana had a music box that she loved and Jessa really wanted it. They fought over it and in the end JB and Michelle made Jana give Jessa the music box as a way of asking for forgiveness. Jana talked about it years later and she cried, so obliviously it was something that stuck with her. 

 

2 hours ago, Fundie Bunny said:

 And if Jana can't forgive an annoying little sister, then i have no sympathy for her.

I don't think Jana and Jessa are best friends because they just have very different personalities. They did have that bickering moment on the show, so I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't get along. I doubt Jana is holding a grudge over the music box. If she is it should be that her parents made her give it up. 

[Antipatriarch]

13 hours ago, Analytica49 said:

He also made the joke about "bachelor til the rapture." But I'm guessing that phrase is not his invention.

It definitely isn't. Guys were saying this at my (Evangelical Christian) college when I was there, many years ago.

[veron1que]

Genuine Question, why does it seem like so many people on these threads want Jana to have been a victim of Josh's? I think it's really gross that we want to assign another person to victimhood so that we can feel even more righteous in our condemnation of Josh. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

31 minutes ago, veron1que said:

Genuine Question, why does it seem like so many people on these threads want Jana to have been a victim of Josh's? I think it's really gross that we want to assign another person to victimhood so that we can feel even more righteous in our condemnation of Josh. 

Where have you been seeing that? I doubt ANYONE wants yet another person to have been a victim of molestation, especially in their culture where it's the victim's fault more often than not. The closest I ever see in these threads is speculation on a ripple effect: how Josh 's actions might have harmed the rest of the family, including Jana, in indirect ways.

[Bad Wolf]

Josh does have another victim but we don't know who and we're not trying to find out.

[IReallyAmHopewell]

8 hours ago, Chewing Gum said:

Why I don't have the feeling Jana used the music box thing to get their parents to catch Josh, I still do want to buy her a nice music box. I hope things have reconciled a bit between Jessa and Jana. 

It would be nice, but I doubt it. I thought they were asleep when he touched them? Maybe I'm remembering wrong.

On John David and Josh. I think JD was genuinely disgusted in Josh. I also wonder if Josh had bragged to JD like how JB brags to the world about all the sex he wants and gets?

The sex abuse, the rest of it--we must always remember that until the cameras came they were not around anyone except Grandma, Amy and a few other relatives who were not die-hard members of the cult.  Imho, Josh let the "celebrity" thing go to his head. JD never even noticed it. I remember when JD came back from some mission trip on 17/18/19 Kids he tenderly picked up the youngest child and held her like a father would. It touched me. I think he's a good guy. If allowed he'd like stupid guy movies and practical joke videos.  These older guys never got to have "real" puberty. Hard core families skip right from school to work at anywhere from about age 12 up. Working in the family business to become "MEN". The younger ones have had a totally different upbringing.  If you are new here go watch the earliest specials. Very telling even though they've been re-edited.

[Iamtheway]

On 2017-06-28 at 4:32 PM, viii said:

I wish my friends would do IVF. They've been married for 6 years and have been trying for 6 years to have a baby and nothing yet. They refuse to even go to the doctor, because they said that God will provide if it's meant to be. So meanwhile, she just cries at church every time someone announces they're pregnant, and I'm just like GAHHHH. You don't have to suffer like this!! 

I totally understand your frustration. What they don't see is that God did provide. He provided a doctor that might be able to help them have a baby. 

[MadeItOut]

Inquisitr are at it again :'(

 

Apart from the obvious - referring to us as 'fans' when we so obviously and definitively are not, which is just plain frustrating and offensive since that's a deliberate misrepresentation - you just CAN'T spend any time here and be confused on that.

We know their 'writers' have no professional pride and seemingly no regard for journalistic (or other come to that) ethics, but what I can't quite decide one way or the other is: do they honestly not understand how they stalk and use us is frightening? ...or do they know damn well and just plain not care?

I want to believe it's the former, because I want to believe there's good even in these people, but I have a horrible feeling its the latter and that not only will they sleep just fine after reading this, the knowledge that they brought at least one of us to tears and nearly robbed her of this safe space to cope with the after effects of similar abuse by making her feel unsafe and frightened, I'm sure it'll be the office laugh of the week - heck, it's Friday. More likely it'll be a laugh with high fives etc over after work drinks and loads of congratulations between the whole team for so thoroughly upsetting and exploiting survivors.

...and the most stupid thing is, if even one of them were to reveal themselves in here - especially if they were to be honest on seeking opinions/commentary to be used expressly identified as critics/opponents of the Duggars and all they stand for, I'd give 'em a fair hearing. 

You won't though, will you? Cowardly lurker. What's it like to hurt people for a living and not feel even a prick of conscience? What's it like to live without humanity?

[JesSky03]

On 6/27/2017 at 3:06 PM, Georgiana said:

Well, the Bates have a clotting disorder that runs in the family that makes the women unable to carry a pregnancy to term unless treated.  I haven't kept up with the Bates' threads lately, but I know after Erin was diagnosed and found that the issue was genetic, that the Bates had all their daughters tested for the disorder.  It is very likely that at least one of her sisters also carries the disorder, but we have seen no slowness in Bates' female courtships.  

 

Edit: Here is Michael's post on infertility.  Its a pretty sad read: http://brandonandmichaela.com/2017/06/25/learning-to-trust/

Just a little education - what Erin has isn't typically an inherited condition. It's an autoimmune disease and thus far researchers aren't sure what causes it. My sister and I have both struggled with infertility and miscarriage. We found out do we have an inherited blood clotting disorder called Factor V Leiden. However we were both tested for APS(what Erin has) and I have it while my sister does not. If Michael had been tested and found out she had APS she probably would have started working with a fertility specialist sooner. People with APS have to plan for each pregnancy so they can get started on blood thinners as soon as the pee stick turns positive. Or in my case we did insemenation so ovulation was controlled and I started blood thinners 2 weeks before my expected period. 

[PumaLover]

3 hours ago, MadeItOut said:

Inquisitr are at it again :'(
 
Apart from the obvious - referring to us as 'fans' when we so obviously and definitively are not, which is just plain frustrating and offensive since that's a deliberate misrepresentation - you just CAN'T spend any time here and be confused on that.

Wait, what did I miss? Do you have a link?

[SapphireSlytherin]

10 minutes ago, PumaLover said:

Wait, what did I miss? Do you have a link?

Yeah, I've been looking for something from them that is new...

[DnAismyBaE]

12 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Yeah, I've been looking for something from them that is new...

I just read it. They're just talking about Joy and the belly poke and they quoted a couple posts from here about it. I found it by looking under entertainment then tv.

[Chewing Gum]

http://www.inquisitr.com/4335440/joy-anna-duggar-shocks-fans-gets-touchy-feely-with-her-father-in-law/

[MadeItOut]

5 hours ago, PumaLover said:

Wait, what did I miss? Do you have a link?

Sorry, it's here: http://www.inquisitr.com/4335440/joy-anna-duggar-shocks-fans-gets-touchy-feely-with-her-father-in-law/

It rattled me last night - couldn't think straight or sleep until 03.00.

[eveandadam]

On 27.6.2017 at 4:12 AM, JoyJoy said:

Seeing more speculation about Laura and John David. I feel like he would be settling if he married Laura(I know some of you felt the same way about a possible Jana/Jonathan Hartono courtship)

 

I think we will see some sort of announcement (or hidden announcement?) about Laura D. but it's not what everybody thinks it is! There is something up but JD would just be too obvious.