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1 minute ago, louisa05 said:

I didn't tell you my experience. I gave you a link about national reviews of Omaha's food scene. 

But whatever. Hating on a whole region, its people and its food because you had a bad childhood seems like a pretty unhealthy life choice. 

I'm not. My experience is that the food - other than produce - is not good outside of Chicago, Detroit, and other large cities. I even stated that I don't know anything about Omaha or Nebraska. Your experience is not my experience. 

I had a great childhood. I just don't like the midwest and it could have been better if we had lived just about anywhere else. I'd probably weigh more, though, as I never liked food until I moved away. 

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On 4/22/2017 at 7:59 PM, Lurker said:

@bella8050

I was recently visiting the Sarasota area of Florida and had a very disappointing experience with pizza from a resturant run by people from Long Island.

But, in my opinion lots of places in the tristate area no longer make good pizza  either because they buy their sauce premade in vats and use Italian blend cheese product rather than real mozzeralla and parmesan. 

When I lived in the midwest even people there said NY (and environs) pizza was the best, so I wondered well, if you think it's so great, why not just make it there way.
Bakers and pizza makers tell me it's the water.

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1 minute ago, Maggie Mae said:

I'm not. My experience is that the food - other than produce - is not good outside of Chicago, Detroit, and other large cities. I even stated that I don't know anything about Omaha or Nebraska. Your experience is not my experience. 

I had a great childhood. I just don't like the midwest and it could have been better if we had lived just about anywhere else. I'd probably weigh more, though, as I never liked food until I moved away. 

I can't speak for Nebraska because I never spent much time there, but I think in Iowa you have to look to find good restaurants outside of Des Moines/Ames/Iowa City.  Shortly after we started dating, Mr. GuineaPig and I went to Minneapolis and I remember him saying "I didn't know food could taste this good!" at dinner.  His mom is a very mediocre cook, though, so maybe that's a good chunk of it.

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2 hours ago, Maggie Mae said:

Huh, TIL. Didn't think they even stocked Mayo. Their specials change weekly. I've never had one with mayo. 

Call it aioli and no one would blink an eye. I'm partial to their Greek gyro pizza myself; I could eat the whole dang thing. 

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7 hours ago, feministxtian said:

Pizza....I LOVE pizza. From the cheapest, shitty frozen pizzas to my own home made pizzas...I don't give a shit...gimme a pizza. 

Still trying to find good pickles though. 

Bubbies kosher dills. So garlicky they have a slight kick and nice and crunchy. 

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You guys have put me in the mood for pizza!

The pizza place we use is run by a guy that moved here from Italy. He makes the most amazing pizza!! 

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2 hours ago, Maggie Mae said:

TBH, my experience in the Midwest (which is 12 states that really should be divded into two regions - great lakes and plains) is completely different than yours. I DO NOT think the food there is anything to write home about, outside of Chicago and other cities. (I don't know anything about Nebraska, so i'll have to take your word for it.) And I DID NOT have a great time growing up there and think it's pretty much hell on earth and I get anxiety when I have to go back. As I said earlier in the thread, my experience was not your experience and we all can believe what we want to believe.

I have a HUGE problem with people who think the Midwest is just fly over country and part of the country that isn't worth dealing with.  Living in Iowa every 4 years I have to listen to uppity east and west coasters bitch about how we aren't representative of America and that we shouldn't have a voice in our countries political process because we aren't good enough.  We are called fly over country, hell on earth, stupid, hicks, boring classless uncultured, and why? Because we aren't stupid enough to live in over crowded dirty crime riddled cities with millions upon millions of other people stacked on top of each other for tiny unlivable micro homes at astronomical prices?  Because we choose to live where we can buy a 2000 sq foot home on a 1/2 acre of land for under $250,000, where we can park our cars for free instead of $40 a day we, don't have 2 hour one way commutes. The food here is FRESH, I can eat food that was picked this morning or yesterday, so it isn't pretentious and costing $90 for nuvo molecular gastronomy cuisine that someone made with the latest trendy ingredients. I can drive 5 miles and get farm fresh eggs and veggies that were laid & or  picked that day, meat that was slaughtered that week.  I've eaten in some 5 star restaurants on the coasts and Vegas, Chicago, Dallas,  and while I will give you we have shite seafood, I will take Midwest produce, pork, beef and dairy any day over anything you can get in the most expensive restaurants. Just because it has a fancy name and a crazy price tag doesn't make it better just more expensive. 

And yes I take huge offence to people who take their personal problems and pass them onto an entire country, region, race, religion. gender, etc.  You had a shitty childhood, and I'm sorry for that but that is hardly the entire Midwest's fault.  Our life here in Des Moines is very different from my friends lives in Lafyette Indiana, but they love their city as much as I do mine, it is home and we all get pretty pissed off when people who haven't lived here talk shit about us. 

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I took a road trip through Indiana,  Kentucky,  Tennessee,  Alabama,  Georgia,  Florida,  Missouri, Iowa,  and Nebraska and everywhere I ate,  I enjoyed the food.  I live near Chicago and my only complaint is that there isn't very good Chinese food in the suburbs lol. Grand Island Nebraska was an amazing town and Alton Iowa was adorable. I don't see a point in fighting over places. I visited Boston MA this year and wasn't overly impressed but only because it's super similar to Chicago. Its pretty great, our nation, because many places we visit can have have the charm of home and also flaws similar to home. I think the midwest is an amazing mix of both coasts and that no area is more important or necessary than another. Food is love yall, share it.

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I grew up in Northern Indiana althought I wasn't born there and don't live there now.  The Midwest is wonderful. 

I do confess I am not a fan of pizza, lol. 

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Papa Murphy's has started selling their Taco Pizza again.  It'll be available until the end of May.  We got one tonight.  I think they changed the recipe again, and it just wasn't as good as it used to be.  Back to making it by scratch.

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I love Iowa! I love Nebraska! My family used to drive through on our way to Minnesota as kids to visit family. My parents would stop off at places in Nebraska and Iowa to get a break from driving. We'd visit the zoos, gardens, and museums. As we got older we'd hit the casinos in Sioux City or Council Bluffs on the way or meet up with family.  Nothing bonds a family together like sitting at the slots together. 

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On 4/23/2017 at 6:37 PM, motelmum said:

Surely just walking down the street and seeing all the men not raping and attacking all the women who are showing shoulders is enough to make people question the teaching? 

I totally get what you're saying, but here is my interpretation of the answer- I think they consider the sinful life of the women who wear 'revealing' clothes and the men who exist around them to more than adequately prove their belief about overwhelming male sexual desire. They take one look at divorce rates, pre-marital sex rates, dating, hook-up apps, stds, substance abuse, independence of women, support for Planned Parenthood etc. and see a one way street to hell for mainstream men and women. They see those things as the chaos and destruction you alluded to. Most of those things they attribute to sins like lust that are not regulated by obeying biblical order with women being 'put on their place' (barf), with their chastity and modesty being their most highly prized qualities.

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9 hours ago, FeministShrew said:

Science is great and all, but if you say it's a missionary trip you can grift money for it, though.

I'll set up the go fund me, I'm doing it for Jesus 

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5 hours ago, JordynDarby5 said:

I love Iowa! I love Nebraska! My family used to drive through on our way to Minnesota as kids to visit family. My parents would stop off at places in Nebraska and Iowa to get a break from driving. We'd visit the zoos, gardens, and museums. As we got older we'd hit the casinos in Sioux City or Council Bluffs on the way or meet up with family.  Nothing bonds a family together like sitting at the slots together. 

As an Iowan it is our duty to talk shit about Nebraska to make ourselves feel better about living in Iowa. LOL, and it is all fun & games until NE kicks our ass in football. I do LOATH the drive through NE to Denver on I80, just because it is nothing but farm land once you get past Omaha and until you get to Denver, but I do love Omaha.  And yes we can laugh at ourselves as evident in this 1999 song from Haywood Banks, it is so funny because it is true.  

 

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For Glasgowghirl and anyone else wishing to make a mission trip for pizza, I respectfully submit my nominations:

Pizzeria Lola - Minneapolis, MN. Super thin crust with all kinds of yummy combinations. Love the Lady ZaZa with the homemade kimchi on it.

Ian's - Madison, WI. Just off Capitol square, the first place we ever had mac & cheese pizza. Yes, it's a thing,and it's a Very Good Thing.

Giordano's - a Chicago style pizza chain of amazing awesomeness. Used to try to stop there on the odd trip through Illinois, but now they have one much closer to us across the river in Minneapolis.

Now if you want to go off the beaten path, you need to go to Brickfire Pizza in Clear Lake, WI. His meatball pizza is beyond words. The Sunset pie is also great for the non meat loving folks.

Finally, the best Mexican food in the upper Midwest (IMHO) has to be at Tacos Juanita in Eau Claire, WI. Never had a bad thing on the menu, but anything with chorizo is a good bet. I really miss eating at that place.

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12 hours ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

 Because we aren't stupid enough to live in over crowded dirty crime riddled cities with millions upon millions of other people stacked on top of each other for tiny unlivable micro homes at astronomical prices?  Because we choose to live where we can buy a 2000 sq foot home on a 1/2 acre of land for under $250,000, where we can park our cars for free instead of $40 a day we, don't have 2 hour one way commutes. The food here is FRESH, I can eat food that was picked this morning or yesterday, so it isn't pretentious and costing $90 for nuvo molecular gastronomy cuisine that someone made with the latest trendy ingredients. I can drive 5 miles and get farm fresh eggs and veggies that were laid & or  picked that day, meat that was slaughtered that week.

You may have a point about some of it, but saying the bolded, is just saying the same shit generalizations that you are accusing  people of saying about Iowa about their towns/homes.  I live on the coast and yes, my house cost a bit more than 250k (popular area, for good reason). But I can eat food that was picked this mornign, including meat slaughtered that week, etc. I also don't pay for parking or have a 2 hr one way commute.  I can also see the ocean AND the mountains from certain points in town. Just sayin'

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12 hours ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

Because we aren't stupid enough to live in over crowded dirty crime riddled cities with millions upon millions of other people stacked on top of each other for tiny unlivable micro homes at astronomical prices?  Because we choose to live where we can buy a 2000 sq foot home on a 1/2 acre of land for under $250,000, where we can park our cars for free instead of $40 a day we, don't have 2 hour one way commutes. The food here is FRESH, I can eat food that was picked this morning or yesterday, so it isn't pretentious and costing $90 for nuvo molecular gastronomy cuisine that someone made with the latest trendy ingredients.

I'm not sure if the best way to build your argument is to attack the opposing side on such an unnecessarily vicious level, nor to paint with such a very broad brush.  The experiences you describe about city living are certainly not universal, nor is anyone being "stupid" by living in a small, environmentally superior space.

But if you were hoping to disprove something about Midwestern niceness, mission accomplished.   

ETA: Using stereotypes in an attempt to combat stereotypes isn't a sound argumentative strategy, imo.

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11 hours ago, Pasta said:

I took a road trip through Indiana,  Kentucky,  Tennessee,  Alabama,  Georgia,  Florida,  Missouri, Iowa,  and Nebraska and everywhere I ate,  I enjoyed the food.  I live near Chicago and my only complaint is that there isn't very good Chinese food in the suburbs lol. Grand Island Nebraska was an amazing town and Alton Iowa was adorable. I don't see a point in fighting over places. I visited Boston MA this year and wasn't overly impressed but only because it's super similar to Chicago. Its pretty great, our nation, because many places we visit can have have the charm of home and also flaws similar to home. I think the midwest is an amazing mix of both coasts and that no area is more important or necessary than another. Food is love yall, share it.

Best post on the thread (drift). 

I personally love the culinary diversity of the USA, and I make it a point to educate people back home (Italy) about it - yes I am smug about this, and proud of it! :pb_lol:

Most people back home think that American food = McDonalds, or the overpriced stuff they ate while on a vacation to New York, where they got overcharged in a tourist trap and ate mediocre food at best. NOOOOOOO!!!!!

Ah, the culinary wonders of the USA: from the cajun cuisine of New Orleans, to the game meats of Wisconsin, to the Texan chicken-fried steak and barbecues, the Georgia peach cobbler, peach wine, homemade biscuits and gravy, roasted turkey with chunky cranberry sauce for Thanksviging, corn bread, pies, and the palate-heaven that is California: fresh produce all year round, fusion cuisine, winking at Italy, Mexico, Japan, Thailand, China, Vietnam, and many others. DC is pretty awesome too, I've been here a few years and I still find new great little places every time. The list is long, and I haven't even written everything that was on my mind...

If we do a FJ culinary trip, I'm down. If we hit small roadside biker diners, even better. 

My husband did not nickname me "will travel for food" for nuthin' ;) 

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My husband has the knack for finding "where the locals eat" when we travel. We've been in some interesting and even dangerous looking places, but we've always eaten fairly well. On our honeymoon in Bermuda, the place was celebrating 25 years in business, and gave us free cake with our entree! 

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18 hours ago, Shadoewolf said:

Is Pirrone's the place in St Louis that does the killer toasted ravioli? I had it once and nearly had an epiphany.

Not everything in FL is bad!! Mr Z's in Key West is a transplant from Philly and their cheesesteak are spot on!!

There are several places here that do awesome toasted ravioli. My personal fave is Gito's or Zia's, both on The Hill - the Italian part of town with a lot of great Italian restaurants.

So I decided to google St. Louis style myself and came across this great article from a non-St. Louisan coming to the defense of our much-maligned pizza. He puts a different perspective on it.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2015/01/in-defense-of-st-louis-style-pizza.html

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18 minutes ago, Shouldabeenacowboy said:

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If we do a FJ culinary trip, I'm down. If we hit small roadside biker diners, even better. 

My husband did not nickname me "will travel for food" for nuthin' ;) 

ok FJ culinary trips recommendations here we go 

in Maui - Lahania has this area at the beginning of the walk where you shop - there is a creaky building at the beginning in there is the best restaurant ever at the ocean 

and eta I love that show 

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I really don't want to get involved in this, but I briefly want to respond to @allthegoodnamesrgone. I live on the East Coast and haven't had the chance to visit the Midwest yet. I was excited to have the chance to visit one state there last fall for a wedding - but the wedding was postponed to this summer due to a very unfortunate accident and we can't go now. 

When I personally say the Midwest isn't representative of the country I don't mean it as an insult or that your opinions shouldn't count. The opinions of people who live there are important and should count very much - especially on issues that could have a big impact on the economy or people who live in those areas.

I say it because a lot of politicians tend to focus heavily on some of the states in the Midwest and many politicians have referred to the Midwest and the South as "real America" in recent years. To me, that's not just incorrect its also highly offensive because they're implying those of us on the coast don't actually matter or count as real citizens. 

And I have to agree with @karen77and @amandaaries- I understand how frustrating it is to see people talking crap about the place you live. But throwing around nasty generalizations of your own is just going to undermine your point and make the other side much less likely to take you seriously.

 

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This. Nebraska has plenty of good Mexican food now too. We have an amazing sit down restaurant in our little town owned by immigrants. Don't even have to go for food trucks. There is a large immigrant population in much of the Midwest now.


I don't know where you are in Nebraska - but I grew up there and some of my favorite Mexican restaurants are in little Nebraska towns!!

(I live in a Colorado town that is 70% Hispanic now, and am surrounded by a lot of good Mexican food - but miss my favorite places in Nebraska.)
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