Where In The World Is Doug Philips (Who Is A Tool)?? (Part 4)

[Quinquagenarian]

2 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

You could say that Doug is experiencing a second childhood or a midlife crisis but he's ALWAYS been like this -- an amoral tomcat doing what he wants, using any means (= Jesus or his camera) to get he what he wants.

Absolutely.  Perfectly put.  This could be the opening line to a thoughtful essay on his (newest) selfish path of destruction. 

[Quinquagenarian]

Remember the strange photo with DPIART in a white suit escorting Lourdes in a showy manner in front of a crowd?  That is what this reminds me of. It was like the closest he could get to this whole scene using gadgets and his sheeple. Would have been a lot easier just to have gone to film school. 

I can't put the Durango people together with it all. Is he just completely secular?  He is clearly mad. As in the Hatter. 

[Clementine]

Doug reminds me of the creeps who show up at girl's and women's soccer games (or any other sport where women are wearing little clothes) and film and photograph everything and claim that it's because they love "sport photography".

"I love vintage dancing! All the beautiful girls without clothes has nothing to do with it!"

I would love to know how much of this that has reached the former VF members and followers and what they say. What does Scott Brown has to say about this?

[Clementine]

Last time in Paris, when Doug still was the high priest of VF, the happily married preacher, father of eight, manly man protecting the virtue of young women. What a difference a few years make.

[DomWackTroll]

5 hours ago, Clementine said:

DW Cinematographer Look for three things - (1) Miss Dee is so cute. She dances a storm for six minutes and never loses her passion and cuteness and humor. Wow. (2) Marty is able to improvise like an old pro, interacting with Ben and Dee flawlessly; (3) Ben is the top. He is fluid, seamless in his unrehearsed, extemporaneous performance. A true showman.

Okay, either this is a typo and Doug meant "Ben is the tops" or they're making gay WWII porn. At this point, nothing would surprise me. 

[Howl]

1 hour ago, DomWackTroll said:

Okay, either this is a typo and Doug meant "Ben is the tops" or they're making gay WWII porn. At this point, nothing would surprise me. 

That caught my eye as well, but I think Doug might be oblivious to the implications.  Or not. 

 Here's a bit of interesting history on Lindy Hop from a Web site called The Lindy Circle

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Looking back on where the Lindy Hop came from is an amazing study of American history and of the global cultural shift facilitated by the American GI's that traveled in World War II.

The influences of the Charleston and Tap dance are evident still in the Lindy we do today and the dance is also sited to have come from an early version of the Foxtrot. Remnants of older dancers such as the Cakewalk, Texas Tommy, Black bottom and popular "animal" dances such as the Turkey Trot and the Buzzard Lope are also expressed. What is interesting is that these came from African social dance culture, and some, like the Cakewalk was created when blacks imitated and mocked the formal dance structure of the whites, which they would then use in their entertainment routines. Ironically, the white spectators would then copy the entertainers, and a social dance that bridged the divide emerged.

Luckily, the two cultures found a common ground, called the Savoy Ballroom in New York. It was here that Lindy was fine tuned and grounded, and where the "Savoy style" that was to influence the world grew up.

Full text here

 

[Quinquagenarian]

3 hours ago, Clementine said:

manly man protecting the virtue of young women.

I move we put that phrase in quotes because while he was in Paris the ugly, unfaithful, two-timing cheating was just about to blow wide open.

11 hours ago, Maxwell said:

The photo upstream of the couple kissing with DPIAT in the background was taken by this guy:  https://www.facebook.com/alexander.p.deprez

Um. Take a look at this guy's fb page. He tres avant garde, to say the least, and I'm not sure he would be a first draft nominee for the Titanic Society given the focal point of some of his photography... 

[Palimpsest]

9 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

On her Facebook page, Florence seems to pose for "couple portraits" with both her husband, Ben, and some bearded guy named Luc. I mean, I know they're... European... but what does it all mean? Is she poly, and Doug is just her latest fling? Or is Doug her "panda" and she's leaving the others behind? I just can't see Doug sharing any woman. I really can't. 

Watch it, my friend!  We Europeans are not all swingers!  

The #pandalove (good grief) and the "bisous" are strange. In French a platonic and friendly kiss would be "un bise."  A less platonic and more affectionate kiss that you would use for friends and lovers would be "un bisou."  Source: the two summers I spent in France learning the language of love and a lot of really good swear words.  The meaning may have loosened since then because that was a long time ago.

As @hoipolloi said, this is Lady Flo's profession.  I'm now going to be a complete party pooper having seen the vimeo.  

I think Lady Flo has hired Doug to make a cheesy WWII film which features burlesque dancers.  DW Cinematographer probably works for peanuts.  He is desperate for work and has inflated his resume big time.  This movie will not be up for Cannes.

It's only shocking because of Doug's previous career at VF and will not play well with his leg-humpers.  The sanctimonious Tool has left all that behind him - and Beall is going to have to deal with all the flirting, and possible cheating, although she will never really believe that the sainted Doug is a cheat.

Doug's having the time of his life flirting with all these nubile performers, is tom-catting around, but none of these people give a shit about him really.  It's like actors all calling each other "darling" and being very extroverted when it comes to physical displays of affection. 

And that guy on vimeo is singing the theme song for Dad's Army!  Damn it, I'm getting old.

[Marian the Librarian]

I reviewed "The Return of the Daughters" DVD (a Botkin family pile of shit production here on FJ back in 2013.

Here, word for word, is what Doug Phillips had to say about the place and status of young women, who were to remain under the protection of their fathers until marriage:

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One of the most interesting chapters in the Bible is Numbers Chapter 30, which is a rich depository of instruction for fathers and daughters. Here in Numbers Chapter 30, we see an interesting legal question arise. What happens if a daughter goes out and makes a contract, or she has an oath or a vow, but she wasn't approved of her father? What happens? Here's what the Bible says. If the father discovers that either his wife or his daughter, who still live under his roof and under his protection and care, have gone out and have covenanted or contracted or vowed without his consent in a manner which is inconsistent with the direction of the household, he has the ability to nullify that. On the other hand, if he doesn't nullify it in the day in which he hears it, he ratifies it and approves it. Now what does this mean, why is this important? It's important because what it tells you is that the family is a unified whole. That the father is the head of the home, and that both the wife and the daughter are not independent individuals, but they are agents of the father. Now we see this in Proverbs 31. Where the woman is going out, the husband has no need of spoil, in fact he is in the gates of the land, he is a leader because he trusts his wife, who manages the affairs well, and who even is engaged in amazing acts of entrepreneurship. But, if the father did not authorize that, then those contracts and those vows would not stand. Well, the implications of this include some of the following ideas: #1, daughters aren't to be independent. They're not to act outside the scope of their father. As long as they're under the authority of their fathers, fathers have the ability to nullify, or not, the oaths and the vows. Daughters just can't go out independently and say "I'm going to marry whoever I want," no, the father has the ability to say "No, I'm sorry, that has to be approved by me." Or she can't even go out and represent him on a business level unless the father says Yes, you're authorized and you're approved by me. Is this some sort of oppressive patriarchalism? Absolutely not. This is order. This is love. This is integrity, because what it means is instead of a whole bunch of individuals living under one house, you have a unified structure, you have a unified whole, with a God-appointed head. It also means protection for everyone else out there, it means order for society itself, and it's a great blessing. And so what we see from Numbers Chapter 30 is the presumption, my daughter's at home under the roof of my house, and protected by the father. What we see from Numbers Chapter 30 is that there are even legal, oath- based, covenant-based implications for this. Daughters need the approval of their dads to marry, unless of course the fathers say "Daughter, get out of here, I release you of my authority." The problem is we don't see any examples of that in the entire Bible. We don't see any principle that leads us to that conclusion, we see no precepts, we see no patterns, and the only examples we see are negative examples where fathers let their daughters out and they find themselves in peril. Dinah would be one example, a daughter that went out unprotected and was raped, and it brought devastation on the family line. That's not to suggest that that would always happen, only that the Bible is replete with examples of daughters under the roof of their protecting fathers, and it's completely absent of any examples or principles that lead us to think that it's normative for a daughter just to go out on her own. Numbers 30 says "Daughters, you're under the authority of your dads."

 

How many young women's lives has that miserable, hypocritical little bastard ruined? It doesn't bear thinking.

(Search "Return of the Daughters" Review to find the complete thread - sorry, don't know how to link it here.)

[DomWackTroll]

2 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

Watch it, my friend!  We Europeans are not all swingers!  

I know, I know, LOL... I just meant that there is less of a stigma as far as adultery, and that America is more Puritanical. 

[Quinquagenarian]

2 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

I think Lady Flo has hired Doug to make a cheesy WWII film

Palimpsest, you are spot on.  But it is so illuminating, isn't it.  Quite the clarifying development. VF now stand for Vanity Fair or Vogue France.

An interesting way to take care of four still-fairly-young children and a SAHM...

Liberty, Justice, Jubilee, Joshua:  for your mother's sake and your own, as adults, see your father's duplicitous, false behavior for what it is, and protect yourselves. Am sure it's hard to witness but he is not being true to any of you or what he has professed to you.

[Quinquagenarian]

45 minutes ago, Marian the Librarian said:

Daughters just can't go out independently and say "I'm going to marry whoever I want," no, the father has the ability to say "No, I'm sorry, that has to be approved by me." 

Um, except DPIART, that's exactly what your wife, at your urging, did.

[Howl]

Beall is not forthcoming on her blog about what's what so I'm adding the Phillips family to my list of fundy families who espouse toxic patriarchal beliefs, but are undergoing big changes and publicly pretending nothing has changed.  I'm talking about you, Erika of FLOP and you, Penningtons.  The Penningtons SAHD plan didn't work and two of the daughters have left the extreme-fundy orbit, and another lives and works (at a job-type job!) away from home.  Erika of FLOP accidentally let it slip that her kids are attending public school and other big changes have been noted (PANTS!).   Scottie Brown is still as toxic as ever, but has allied himself with a back-to-the-land family-economy movement that may have a religious element, but not necessarily.  Scottie has not publicly admitted that the marriage of  Royal Fundy Princess Brown to Royal Fundy Prince Braderick! has imploded and he continues to teach classes on successful marriage using the model that utterly failed his daughter. 

These people are so damned annoying. 

[DomWackTroll]

10 minutes ago, Quinquagenarian said:

Um, except DPIART, that's exactly what your wife, at your urging, did.

@Quinquagenarian, can you (or anyone else) expand on this? Who was Beall's father? What did he do for a living? What kind of religion did he and her mother embrace? Were they Reformed, or just plain ol' evangelical? How do we know that they disapproved of Doug? 

I know that Beall was adopted, but that's about all I know. TIA!

[Mrs. Bean]

I'm just dying to know what Doug Phillips Is A Tool's supporters ( those who aligned themselves with him rather then support Lourdes) think of all this. What he's doing is polar opposite of what these people took to heart and ran with. Common Turleys, Disharoons, Smiths, please tell us what you think of him now. 

[DomWackTroll]

6 minutes ago, Mrs. Bean said:

I'm just dying to know what Doug Phillips Is A Tool's supporters ( those who aligned themselves with him rather then support Lourdes) think of all this. What he's doing is polar opposite of what these people took to heart and ran with. Common Turleys, Disharoons, Smiths, please tell us what you think of him now. 

Don't forget Stacy McDonald and Kelly Crawford! Oh, Lord, they made such asses out of themselves on Doug Wilson's blog when the story broke. 

[nausicaa]

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It's completely absent of any examples or principles that lead us to think that it's normative for a daughter just to go out on her own. Numbers 30 says "Daughters, you're under the authority of your dads."

So, Dougie...I'm assuming you made a quick call to the fathers of all those women before taking pictures pressed up against them? Wouldn't want to be messing with cohesive family love.

And @Mrs. Bean I'm also dying to know how DPIAT/R defenders are explaining away his latest antics. 

[Marian the Librarian]

20 minutes ago, DomWackTroll said:

Don't forget Stacy McDonald and Kelly Crawford! Oh, Lord, they made such asses out of themselves on Doug Wilson's blog when the story broke. 

And the Yuck family in Canada - when the Tool O'Ween scandal broke, Deborah Yuck wrote an impassioned blog post (buildingafamilythatwillstand.com) in support of Dougie, claiming she didn't believe one word about his various and sundry peccadilloes. She's since scrubbed it - wonder what she's thinking now?

[JermajestyDuggar]

37 minutes ago, Mrs. Bean said:

I'm just dying to know what Doug Phillips Is A Tool's supporters ( those who aligned themselves with him rather then support Lourdes) think of all this. What he's doing is polar opposite of what these people took to heart and ran with. Common Turleys, Disharoons, Smiths, please tell us what you think of him now. 

I think the Smiths have enough on their plate feeling persecuted by everyone who believes their son is a child rapist. 

[RebelliousEscapee]

I'm still connected to several of my old VF friends, and so far I've yet to hear any murmurs from them about anything DP. Either they don't know or they're keeping their mouths shut. 

Meanwhile, DP is totes protecting the virtue of every young maiden that he can... 

 

[Palimpsest]

All Doug's leg-humpers after the Fall of the Tool are probably repeating the "King David was a sinner too so it's OK" line again and warning Beall not to pull a Micah and despise him in her heart.

I mean, Dougie is just dancing before the Lord with all his heart and uncovering himself in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants in Europe.  No biggie.

 

[refugee]

14 hours ago, Hmmm_idolatry said:

I'm just now learning about this guy, and am seriously creeped out by him.  He just looks sleazy.  Has he basically created an entirely new persona?  Everything about this guy seems sleazy and creepy to me.  I wouldn't ever want to be alone in a room with this guy.  He seems like a creeper who can't keep his hands to himself.  

You may just now be learning about this guy, but you hit the nail on the head.

He's always been kind of a slick showman. I don't understand the spell he was able to cast on crowds of people, but he was able to stir people's emotions with tone of voice and choice of words and gestures, and somehow make them want more, and get heavily invested in the fake vision he was promoting.

VF didn't sell anything cheaply*, either. They put out a catalog of carefully gendered toys, books, CDs and DVDs, and everything cost way more than you might pay for the equivalent at the local Target store. If I'm remembering right, VF's "Liberty Doll" was significantly more expensive than the "American Girl Dolls" it was trying to compete with. I could be wrong, though... it's been awhile since I saw one of those catalogs. 

*ETA: Actually, VF did sell cheap things, as in poorly made, but they didn't sell them cheaply, if that makes sense. It required sacrifice for the run-of-the-mill VF family to buy their stuff. "Royalty" of course bought the dolls and tea sets for their girls and adventure stuff for their boys--they were Douggie's best sales force. All the other kids wanted one when they saw the elite kids playing with them...

[ladyamylynn]

Maybe the next generation of Liberty dolls will come with bedazzled pasties and some lovely fetish heels?

[Howl]

5 minutes ago, ladyamylynn said:

Maybe the next generation of Liberty dolls will come with bedazzled pasties and some lovely fetish heels?

and off to the prayer closet with you! ;-)

 

[MamaJunebug]

4 hours ago, Marian the Librarian said:

Here, word for word, is what Doug Phillips had to say about the place and status of young women, who were to remain under the protection of their fathers until marriage:

Did you actually transcribe this whole pile of shee-yite??? Dear @Marian the Librarian, I owe you a dinner if we're ever lucky (?) enough to meet up IRL. Talk about taking a *dozen* for the team!!!