Lori Alexander 15: Leaving A Fire With Her Makeup Bag

[KDA]

2 hours ago, Koala said:

I live in the south, so maybe we're all just prudes down here, but do people usually talk about sex as much as Lori does?  Her notebook doodle today is about sex....again.  

I have some godless Atheist friends, and none of us running around bragging about how modest or discreet we are.  That said, we have never discussed sex.  Not even once that I can think of.  

Same goes for my religious friends.  They don't go running around bragging about how modest and discreet they are, and we've never discussed our sex lives. 

It's like that's all these people have on the brain.  It's really kind of off putting.

And by "kind of" I mean "VERY".

Also, watching this thing play out between Lori and her male readers is pure crazy town.  I was used to Ken and all of his shenanigans, but this is new for Lori.  I think it's probably been very eye-opening for some her former readers.

I write erotic romance for a living, and I don't talk about my sex life anywhere near as much as Lori talks about hers.

[Granwych]

17 hours ago, feministxtian said:

Fucker just groaned and squealed like a stuck pig. Problem is it's been sitting for awhile and all the grease and shit wasn't all where it should have been. It had been sending signals for a little while but I was hoping to get a couple of months out of it before it died. I am beyond pissed...mostly because I HATE driving that fucking Expedition...it's like a fucking tank that can't get out of its own way. 

 

Might I say that I am envious of your ability to drive a stick?  Poor dh has tried to teach me many a time to no avail...I'm scared of grinding the gears into oblivion.

[Jellybean]

It's not just that they talk about sex, but that they're discussing specifics from their own intimate relationships. I thought I was fairly comfortable with talk about sex (medical school for starters, plus I use a wheelchair, and you'd be amazed at how many people think it's ok to ask about my medical history and my sex life - sometimes before they've even asked my name!) but it turns out that I'm more reserved than Lori. 

I am amazed that Lori teaches the long-suffering, submissive, uncomplaining style of behaviour, but then complains to the world about extremely intimate and personal details of her life and encourages others to do the same. While also encouraging them not to do that. Or something. *headdesk*

[feministxtian]

6 minutes ago, Granwych said:

Might I say that I am envious of your ability to drive a stick?  Poor dh has tried to teach me many a time to no avail...I'm scared of grinding the gears into oblivion.

 I learned years and years ago. I won't teach my dh though. If he wants to learn, he can rent a car and destroy THAT clutch!

[Koala]

Ken:

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It is strange to me how society has so turned sex into nothing but a common day occurrence before marriage, but to expect it to be common day in a marriage is too much to ask. Like everything the world has it backwards. Sex was intended by God to be sacred and kept for the marriage bed, then an every day type connection between a loving husband and wife who are tying to be please each other. And ladies, if you think you can please most men by rationing sex, you need to take a course on understanding a man. Can a wife say, "Please not tonight honey" ... you bet, but then she should add... "how about in the morning or tomorrow night."

It's strange to me that such a modest woman is comfortable talking to men online about sex.

It's strange to me that Ken told former reader Courtney how beautiful she was, and how her hair would look best.

It's strange to me that Ken asked a Free Jinger member for her address so that he could send her M&Ms.

It's strange to me that a married woman has a man commenting on her blog to tell her how beautiful she is, and she doesn't immediately put an end to the comments.

I guess that's just me though...I find lots of things strange.

[Gemini]

4 hours ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

 

I assume Dave has a job, I think I remember he's a lawyer or some big banking executive?

So let's break this down:  24 hour day = 8 hours work (M-F), 8 hours study/ writing and 8 hours for sleep, eating, sex, family interaction, commuting from work, exercise, and misc. activities.

 

Sounds like he graduated from the Ken Alexander school of statistics. Are we sure Dave isn't really Ken, and he and Lori are acting out some weird internet role play sex game? *shudder*

4 hours ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

         "The Lord has us in this place for a reason. We don’t walk in the spirit unless we are in dispare of ourselves.   No cross, no Jesus.  I venture to say there are few on earth who have spent more time talking to God and searching scripture the last 3 years than me including up hours in the middle of most every night having spend maybe 6-7000  hours studying and writing about the condition of the church and marriage."

 

 

6000-7000 hours later and still failing to find proof that your twisted views are biblical. That Dave, just proves you are a cockwomble looking for ways to manipulate and abuse women. Buy a blow up doll and do the world a favour. 

[Hane]

But, @Koala, don't you find it strange that Ken's female employees don't flirt with him? He mentioned online how puzzled he was that they didn't.  :nausea: A) It's not appropriate workplace behavior. B ) Ken, ewwwww. You ain't all that.

[EmiGirl]

4 hours ago, Koala said:

Lori Alexander:

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There aren't any women called Prophets either since this role was given to men.

Only there were. Miriam, sister of Moses for one. And I'm pretty sure there were others too. Wasn't Deborah considered a judge and prophetess?

[Joyce]

Anna who blessed Jesus at the temple was a prophetess.

[ViolaSebastian]

Wait, wait, wait, hold the bus. Didn't Ken call Lori a prophet?

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

Lori's sex posts are very off-putting -- and not discreet nor modest by any definition of the words.  I am squicked out by her discussing here sex life and her readers with all those strange men who seemed to have joined her blog -- maybe so they can get off on discussing sex on the internet.  And then justify it to their wives as godly mentoring and teaching,

Life long Southerner here and I totally agree that we don't talk about sex all the time. I don't think we're prudes, Maybe we're the ones who are really discreet and modest

I've said before that I know more intimate details about Lori's sex life -- a stranger!! -- than I do about my BFF's. We're both married, We know we both have sex, We know we both had sex with our soon -to- be husbands before marriage and we know we had boyfriends before that,  So yeah, lots of unspoken knowledge,  She's never asked me how many men I've slept with.  I've never asked her.  We don't know the details of our intimate lives -- and don't want to.

I'm going out on a limb here to say that most mature grown men don't think about sex every minute of every day.  Yes men are sexual beings, so are women, but there are so many other things that we all deal with every day.  If all a man ever thinks about is sex, how is he going to keep his mind on his job -- you know being a godly provider and all

I will say that I think Ken is a huge horn dog and has sex on the brain All. The. Time.  if all he gets is 10 minutes and some lube  then no wonder. That sounds pretty ... um ... perfunctory

 Lori is assuming all men are like Ken... and Dave ... and Trey ... and Cabinet Man and that other creeper Josh(?) on her blog. No Lori, they are not.  Thank God.

[Hane]

31 minutes ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

Lori's sex posts are very off-putting -- and not discreet nor modest by any definition of the words.  I am squicked out by her discussing here sex life and her readers with all those strange men who seemed to have joined her blog -- maybe so they can get off on discussing sex on the internet.  And then justify it to their wives as godly mentoring and teaching,

Life long Southerner here and I totally agree that we don't talk about sex all the time. I don't think we're prudes, Maybe we're the ones who are really discreet and modest

I've said before that I know more intimate details about Lori's sex life -- a stranger!! -- than I do about my BFF's. We're both married, We know we both have sex, We know we both had sex with our soon -to- be husbands before marriage and we know we had boyfriends before that,  So yeah, lots of unspoken knowledge,  She's never asked me how many men I've slept with.  I've never asked her.  We don't know the details of our intimate lives -- and don't want to.

I'm going out on a limb here to say that most mature grown men don't think about sex every minute of every day.  Yes men are sexual beings, so are women, but there are so many other things that we all deal with every day.  If all a man ever thinks about is sex, how is he going to keep his mind on his job -- you know being a godly provider and all

I will say that I think Ken is a huge horn dog and has sex on the brain All. The. Time.  if all he gets is 10 minutes and some lube  then no wonder. That sounds pretty ... um ... perfunctory

 Lori is assuming all men are like Ken... and Dave ... and Trey ... and Cabinet Man and that other creeper Josh(?) on her blog. No Lori, they are not.  Thank God.

Lifelong Northeasterner here, and I've never in my 64 years of life encountered any woman who goes on and on about sex the way Lori does.

[desertvixen]

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-Listen, you can't just ACT like a porn star, he has to believe you really mean it even though there's absolutely no way any human person could want sex more than sleep after 16 solid hours of emotionally intensive manual labor. WE DEMAND REAL ORGASMS, LADIES.

-But it's fine for men to fake actually caring about you. Even if it means they occasionally have to pitch in on caring for their own home and/or their own children. The suffering. Oh, the suffering. Please donate to the Fund For Poor Sad Beleaguered American Men Asked To Bathe Their Own Children.

-Spread 'em and try for that Oscar, and maybe, just maybe, I'll vacuum something without wishing you were dead. But only maybe.

@lawfulevil, I applaud you.

I think men just fail to understand how women can get "touched out", especially when you have little ones.  I'm a  pretty physically affectionate person, and when my girl was an infant and toddler, I would get to a point where I didn't want to be touched.

Also, if they want real orgasms, then we demand REAL FOREPLAY. 

And the whole resistance to doing anything to help their wife do All The Things kills me.  Maybe if they did, she'd feel like adding them to the list of Things To Do.

[AlwaysDiscerning]

She needs to stfu with saying "of old". That is really jumping out at me today. Just say old commentaries, but no everything has to "of old". Is it like godly yoda speak?

Ken getting annoyed by Dave...hmmmm:

Ken says:

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February 22, 2017 at 1:58 pm

As with other comments Dave, you have some truth captured but seem far too dogmatic and over the top for me especially when you want to carry things to a new level … (like rebellion goes to witchcraft and John Piper is now into Blasphemy because of his complementarian approach to marriage). Generally Lori deletes or edits any comments making accusations against godly men and teachers, and rightfully so. And John Piper is one of our best!

 

 

Oh ha, just catching up on comments and she says old commentaries here and not "of old" (maybe someone said something):

Lori Alexander says:

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February 22, 2017 at 1:30 pm

Thank you! I am thankful I have these great old commentaries to go and search out answers.

 

 

[louisa05]

1--Lori's "commentaries of old" makes me think of Rachel's Pottery Barn table from "yore" on Friends. No idea why. 

2--This won't surprise many posters who have heard stories of her in other threads: my sister-in-law talks about sex. Probably more than Lori posts about it. She actually shares pretty intimate details of her sex life quite freely with/around her parents, grandparents, brother, me, and basically anyone who is around her for more than ten minutes. It makes people extremely uncomfortable, but she never seems to notice. 

[Koala]

Ken's comment to Dave is pure gold.

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As with other comments Dave, you have some truth captured but seem far too dogmatic and over the top for me especially when you want to carry things to a new level … (like rebellion goes to witchcraft and John Piper is now into Blasphemy because of his complementarian approach to marriage). 

Umm, Ken?  Meet Lori.  Dave is the male version of her.  

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Generally Lori deletes or edits any comments making accusations against godly men and teachers, and rightfully so. And John Piper is one of our best!

Yeah, but she's not gonna delete or edit comments from her fan boys.  Especially the one that tells her how beautiful she is. Not to mention that I am almost 1000% positive that she totally agrees with every word he says.  She eats that stuff up!

I'll tell you something else too- I bet Lori is not a happy camper with Ken right now.

[dairyfreelife]

54 minutes ago, Koala said:

Ken's comment to Dave is pure gold.

Umm, Ken?  Meet Lori.  Dave is the male version of her.  

Yeah, but she's not gonna delete or edit comments from her fan boys.  Especially the one that tells her how beautiful she is. Not to mention that I am almost 1000% positive that she totally agrees with every word he says.  She eats that stuff up!

I'll tell you something else too- I bet Lori is not a happy camper with Ken right now.

Oh, no doubt. She's off in a pout. Submission doesn't apply to her. She never seems to "happily submit" when Ken puts a foot down to her nonsense every once in a blue moon. Lori herself stated that she always gets her way after all. 

[lawfulevil]

2 hours ago, desertvixen said:

@lawfulevil, I applaud you.

I think men just fail to understand how women can get "touched out", especially when you have little ones.  I'm a  pretty physically affectionate person, and when my girl was an infant and toddler, I would get to a point where I didn't want to be touched.

Also, if they want real orgasms, then we demand REAL FOREPLAY. 

And the whole resistance to doing anything to help their wife do All The Things kills me.  Maybe if they did, she'd feel like adding them to the list of Things To Do.

A husband's obligations, according to Lori: Breathe. Possess a penis. Refrain from physically assaulting family members too often. Emotional abuse is fine and a little molestation and incest are "normal", according to Klorien. Have a job- maybe- except it's probably okay to just sit around on your ass and drink up your wife's wages, Lori's been fine with that in the past. Maybe man-chores, but since the wife isn't allowed to so much as "remind" her husband that the lawn needs mowing, if he doesn't feel like it he doesn't actually have to do it.

A wife's obligations- every other task required in adult life. Literally every single one. And if she fails to keep a Stepford smile on her face (along with a full face of makeup) and be ready to put out like a porn star at any moment, she's still a bad wife.

Lori's against birth control as well, so every sexual interaction until menopause carries the risk of pregnancy. Gosh, I can't imagine why someone wouldn't be especially enthusiastic about that kind of risk/reward calculation... Reward: My selfish dick husband gets an orgasm, I get to be sexually frustrated and even more sleep-deprived. Risk: everything involved in pregnancy/childbirth (including serious bodily harm and possible death) and another child worth of hard work on top of an already overfull plate.

I got a lot of pleasure out of cheesecake at one point. It was my favorite dessert. But I haven't had a slice in seven or eight years now, because I became violently lactose intolerant in my early 20s. Reward: I think I enjoyed cheesecake far more than Lori has ever enjoyed sex with Ken. Risk: Suddenly needing to buy new pants (uh, QUITE suddenly). Nope, not worth it...

[Hisey]

28 minutes ago, lawfulevil said:

A husband's obligations, according to Lori: Breathe. Possess a penis. Refrain from physically assaulting family members too often. Emotional abuse is fine and a little molestation and incest are "normal", according to Klorien. Have a job- maybe- except it's probably okay to just sit around on your ass and drink up your wife's wages, Lori's been fine with that in the past. Maybe man-chores, but since the wife isn't allowed to so much as "remind" her husband that the lawn needs mowing, if he doesn't feel like it he doesn't actually have to do it.

A wife's obligations- every other task required in adult life. Literally every single one. And if she fails to keep a Stepford smile on her face (along with a full face of makeup) and be ready to put out like a porn star at any moment, she's still a bad wife.

Lori's against birth control as well, so every sexual interaction until menopause carries the risk of pregnancy. Gosh, I can't imagine why someone wouldn't be especially enthusiastic about that kind of risk/reward calculation... Reward: My selfish dick husband gets an orgasm, I get to be sexually frustrated and even more sleep-deprived. Risk: everything involved in pregnancy/childbirth (including serious bodily harm and possible death) and another child worth of hard work on top of an already overfull plate.

I got a lot of pleasure out of cheesecake at one point. It was my favorite dessert. But I haven't had a slice in seven or eight years now, because I became violently lactose intolerant in my early 20s. Reward: I think I enjoyed cheesecake far more than Lori has ever enjoyed sex with Ken. Risk: Suddenly needing to buy new pants (uh, QUITE suddenly). Nope, not worth it...

This is an excellent summation of Lori's beliefs. Why does she think any woman would ever marry, if this were all true?

I think it's interesting that a wife who says "no" to sex is SINFUL, just SINNING all the time. But a man who says "no" has "low desire" and needs to be checked out medically and the wife should "fix" him healthy meals and check her attitude for disrespect. Maybe if husbands fixed their wives a few healthy meals and did a few other nice things, their wives would be saying yes a bit more often.

I was flabbergastered that Dave wouldn't have married if it wasn't for the sex AND wouldn't have had kids!!  Really, Dave? Is it really all about the sex, sex that your wife doesn't even seem to want? Isn't there a blowup doll you could buy and save everyone a lot of unhappiness?

[SweetFellowshipper]

6 hours ago, Jellybean said:

It's not just that they talk about sex, but that they're discussing specifics from their own intimate relationships. I thought I was fairly comfortable with talk about sex (medical school for starters, plus I use a wheelchair, and you'd be amazed at how many people think it's ok to ask about my medical history and my sex life - sometimes before they've even asked my name!) but it turns out that I'm more reserved than Lori. 

I am amazed that Lori teaches the long-suffering, submissive, uncomplaining style of behaviour, but then complains to the world about extremely intimate and personal details of her life and encourages others to do the same. While also encouraging them not to do that. Or something. *headdesk*

My husband is a wheelchair user and it's so creepy how many people come up to him and ask him "what happened to you?" Or "how did it happen?" Out of the blue. He likes to say, "what? Like how did I get here?" "Yes." "I drove my car. You?"

Or they say they'll pray for him. He's fine, thanks. And an atheist. 

And I'm pregnant and people love to ask if it's biological...Which just means "can you have sex?"

People also love to come up with tears in their eyes and tell him he's inspiring when he's, like, eating lunch at a restaurant or drinking at a bar. He doesn't tell them he's a professor or they'd probably kill themselves from all the "inspiration." 

But yeah, people love to ask about sex-- I can't imagine *wanting* to talk about it as much as Lori.

[Coy Koi]

30 minutes ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

My husband is a wheelchair user and it's so creepy how many people come up to him and ask him "what happened to you?" Or "how did it happen?" Out of the blue. He likes to say, "what? Like how did I get here?" "Yes." "I drove my car. You?"

Or they say they'll pray for him. He's fine, thanks. And an atheist. 

And I'm pregnant and people love to ask if it's biological...Which just means "can you have sex?"

People also love to come up with tears in their eyes and tell him he's inspiring when he's, like, eating lunch at a restaurant or drinking at a bar. He doesn't tell them he's a professor or they'd probably kill themselves from all the "inspiration." 

But yeah, people love to ask about sex-- I can't imagine *wanting* to talk about it as much as Lori.

People can be amazingly rude and nosy! I can't pretend I've never seen a stranger and thought, for some reason or another, "Hm, I wonder what their story is." The difference is that I had the tact and decency to realize that it was none of my damn business, and so I didn't ask. But I have heard this kind of thing many times from people who use wheelchairs. That has got to get so tiring to deal with. I get strangers prying into my personal life fairly often too, but not nearly to this extent. It's annoying as hell, because the thing is that they NEVER take the hint. For me, they'll often start out with something like, "Omg, you have a kid that age? But you don't look old enough....!" I nonchalantly say, "So I've heard." Now, at this point one might think a person would realize you weren't interested in satisfying their curiosity, but that basically never happens. Instead of thinking you're onto them but declining to answer, they think you're so fucking stupid that their passive interrogation flew right over your head, and so they keep getting more and more direct until you either answer or smack them in the face.
 

[WhatWouldJohnCrichtonDo?]

1 hour ago, SweetFellowshipper said:

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And I'm pregnant and people love to ask if it's biological...Which just means "can you have sex?"

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I'd be so tempted to tell them something flippant, like, "No. It's a cyborg and after it grows up, it will be your overlord. Prepare!" I'd never have the guts to say it, but I'd be really tempted.

[RosyDaisy]

My husband is a wheelchair user and it's so creepy how many people come up to him and ask him "what happened to you?" Or "how did it happen?" Out of the blue. He likes to say, "what? Like how did I get here?" "Yes." "I drove my car. You?"
Or they say they'll pray for him. He's fine, thanks. And an atheist. 
And I'm pregnant and people love to ask if it's biological...Which just means "can you have sex?"
People also love to come up with tears in their eyes and tell him he's inspiring when he's, like, eating lunch at a restaurant or drinking at a bar. He doesn't tell them he's a professor or they'd probably kill themselves from all the "inspiration." 
But yeah, people love to ask about sex-- I can't imagine *wanting* to talk about it as much as Lori.

WTH? That's very rude, noisy, and intrusive. Some people have no manners, no respect for others, or know how to mind their own business.

[onemama]

4 hours ago, Koala said:

Ken's comment to Dave is pure gold.

And Dave finally shares just exactly what he believes:

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Only the man was created in the image of God. Only the man was given dominion. Only the man was given the instruction of that tree. Scripture is written only to men, for them to administer and distribute. Adam was not deceived nor transgressed in the Garden. Sure, these are unheard of and will take time [not afforded here] to unravel the lies; but start looking for yourself by asking your husband or father or elder. I mean really look, with unbiased eyes. The likes of John Piper and his group of ‘Complementarians’ [and most all others] –putting women in teaching and leadership next to or above men — is that blasphemy of the Word of God.

“Go into all the world” is given to men. 

 

No. Just no. I've posted a comment that probably won't be published in response to this gem. Dave's thousands of hours of study have lead him to some very dangerous and un-Christian conclusions.  Jesus didn't demand that women come with their husbands and Jesus is the Word of God. Why would the Word of God talk with women if the word was never meant to be for them?  

Dave denies that woman was made in the image of God, but Genesis 1 says that God created man in his image, male and female he created them, and gave them dominion.  

The apostle Paul says that there is one mediator between mankind and God and that is Jesus Christ. He uses the Greek word "anthropos" that encompasses both male and female in that verse. 

And finally, the apostle also says that, in Christ, we all have equal standing before God. There's neither bond nor free, Jew or Greek, male or female.  We are all one. 

Dave should pull his nose out of those books he's been reading and get down to the business of doing what the Bible actually tells him to do: love his wife. love his neighbor as himself. Do unto others as he would have them do unto him (including his wife), and so on... otherwise, well, he's a clanging cymbal or a loud gong, or nothing. 

[Showtunesgirl]

@onemama exactly!!! I hope your comment gets published, especially if it's anything close to what you wrote here 

 

I feel like Lori fails to understand just how much the biblical principles found in Titus 2 require a healthy grasp of theology to execute rightly. To take out the theology behind the principles of "teaching what is good, and so train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands" (vv.3-5, ESV), just turns those things into points of legalism. It is also dangerous to assume that the younger woman to whom you are teaching these things has a good theological foundation and you can just go over the "checklist" of the passage. Part of teaching the younger women these things accurately actually requires explaining how they are part of God's design for women, which leads to the explaining the nature of God, which is actually theology and doctrine *gasp*. Furthermore, if one did not know and understand the goodness of God and how His holiness interacts with His grace and wrath, how could one even understand the idea of salvation? Or have the right understanding that the good works done as a believer are in response to that saving grace, and not as a means of earning salvation?  Are women not suppose to share the gospel with their non-believing friends either? I am as complementarian and TULIP-y as they come, and while I do not support women preaching in a mixed congregation, it completely baffles me how Lori and her readers go to the extremes of interpretation and say that women cannot even teach other women or verbally participate in Bible classes.