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I'm going to post this and then go scream outside or something.  

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article128194164.html#fmp

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BY KRISTINE GUERRA

The Washington Post

 

 

 

WTVG - Toledo, OH

A father and son accused of raping a teenage girl over a three-year period and keeping her shackled in a basement have made it clear that they don't have faith in the law or in the people who practice it.

When they face an Ohio jury as they defend themselves against criminal charges that carry long prison sentences, they will rely on one book: The Bible.

Timothy Ciboro and his son, Esten Ciboro, both of Toledo, are each charged with multiple counts of rape. The trial is scheduled to start this week, months after the girl, who is Timothy Ciboro's stepdaughter, managed to unshackle herself and escape while her alleged abusers were gone, authorities said.

During a hearing Friday, the Ciboros made the unusual request of having access to the Bible, which they plan to cite as they defend themselves in front of a jury. The Bible, Esten Ciboro told a judge, is "the only law book that truly matters," the Toledo Blade reported.

"There's a great deal of strategy in Scripture and I use those strategies in everything I do," Esten Ciboro told the judge, according to the Toledo Blade's coverage of the hearing. "It's a vital part of everything I do."

Timothy Ciboro said he and his son intend to "use God's holy word to ask questions, questions that we believe are absolutely vital to our case," the paper reported.

Lucas County Common Pleas Judge Linda Jennings has decided to allow the two to bring their Bible during the trial, but she told them that they can't use the book to question witnesses.

"It's the court's opinion that while the Bible is very important, it is not a law book in a court of law," Jennings said, according to the Toledo Blade.

The Ciboros are accused of sexually assaulting the girl over a period of three years, from 2012 to 2015. They are each charged with three counts of rape, endangering children and kidnapping. Timothy Ciboro, who faces two additional rape counts, is also accused of sexually assaulting the girl's younger sibling during the same time period, the Toledo Blade reported.

The two men were arrested in May after the then-13-year-old girl escaped from the basement, where she allegedly was held for more than a year, authorities said. She was spotted about a mile and a half away, carrying a backpack and two bags, NBC affiliate WNWO reported.

She told police that she was fed spoiled leftovers and was forced to urinate in a bucket with ammonia.

The Ciboros were charged with kidnapping and endangering children shortly thereafter. They were indicted on rape charges in September.

The child's mother, Stafonda Hawkins, also was arrested on an unrelated parole violation, WTOL reported. The girl told police that her mother had left and that she had not seen her since 2012.

The father and son have been adamant about representing themselves despite repeated pleas from attorneys that having a lawyer is in their best interest.

During a hearing in November, Esten Ciboro said he would rather rely on his faith than on a lawyer.

"Professionals built the Titanic. Amateurs built the ark," he told Jennings, the judge, according to the Toledo Blade.

Earlier, Jennings told Timothy Ciboro that he could not represent himself because of his strange behavior in court.

For example, during an October hearing at which he pleaded not guilty to rape charges, he said he was charged with "offenses against [his] children," WTOL reported.

"What are the offenses that you're charged with against your children?" Jennings asked.

"Bad - things I don't want to talk about, your honor," Timothy Ciboro responded, according to WTOL.

Ultimately, though, the judge allowed both defendants to represent themselves, with appointed defense attorneys on standby.

This is not the first time that religion has been used, in some way, in a criminal case.

Last year, for instance, an Indiana mother argued that her decision to beat her son with a hanger was driven by her religious beliefs.

Kin Park Thaing, through her attorney, asked a judge to dismiss charges against her, arguing that Indiana's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, signed by then-Gov. Mike Pence in 2015, protected her from prosecution. An Indianapolis judge later denied Thaing's request. She pleaded guilty to battery and was sentenced to a year of probation.

In November, an Indiana man accused of not paying more than $1,000 in state income taxes also invoked the state's controversial religious freedom law to avoid prosecution.

Rodney Tyms-Bey argued that paying taxes imposed a burden on his religious beliefs, although he declined to say what those beliefs were or how, specifically, they were affected by paying taxes.

It's unclear how Timothy and Esten Ciboro plan to use the Bible to aid their defense, or what part of it they plan to cite.

 

 

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Okay, I'm going to give this a go. "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Don't want to be shackled in a basement, fed leftovers, and raped repeatedly? Then don't do it to other people.

 

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Perfect example of how kids fall through the cracks.  No 13-year-old should disappear into a basement and no one with her best interests at heart knows it. 

These guys will disappear into the prison system for a very, very long time. 

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4 minutes ago, Howl said:

Perfect example of how kids fall through the cracks.  No 13-year-old should disappear into a basement and no one with her best interests at heart knows it. 

These guys will disappear into the prison system for a very, very long time. 

Good luck finding a jury. I know I'd never be impartial. People are in prison for all kinds of reasons.  Some deserve second chances.  Others?  These guys?  Deserve the pits of hell.

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It's so sad that a 13 year old can go missing for 3? years being held captive without anyone wondering where she's gone. Family, school, friends? 

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There is a very special place in Hell for people like this. I hope they burn there.

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The Bible, Esten Ciboro told a judge, is "the only law book that truly matters," the Toledo Blade reported.

Fine, no problem,  be ready to be stoned to death you monster.

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6 hours ago, mstee said:

It's so sad that a 13 year old can go missing for 3? years being held captive without anyone wondering where she's gone. Family, school, friends? 

I don't want to believe that her mother could just leave her there for years. I wonder if they told her school and friends that she went to live with her mother somewhere else.

10 hours ago, clueliss said:

The child's mother, Stafonda Hawkins, also was arrested on an unrelated parole violation, WTOL reported. The girl told police that her mother had left and that she had not seen her since 2012.

 

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11 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Their made up custom cherry picked Bible.

Must be the same bible that idiots like Warren Jeffs read.

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Put them in general population in prison. No protective custody = problem solved and justice served. Even the monsters don't like perverts who rape children.

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On 1/28/2017 at 0:08 AM, Toothfairy said:

Sick. This shit makes me upset and sick to my damn stomach. Throw the book at him. 

Yeah one like this would do nicely.  Followed by a nice long stay in general pop.

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I can't even imagine how they can use the Bible to justify this sick depravity.  Erm, deciding Cain and Abel must have slept with Eve, as there was no other woman?  Repopulating the earth after the Flood?  NO FUCKING WAY.  No matter what kind of fucked up Biblical literalist people are, there's NO way on earth that raping anyone is justified.  Just no.  I'm a born-and-bred atheist, and even I know this!

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On 1/30/2017 at 3:32 PM, 47of74 said:

Yeah one like this would do nicely.  Followed by a nice long stay in general pop.

TheBook.jpg

Considering their crimes, I don't think the stay in gen pop would be long.  Is it wrong of me to wish harm on another person?  Well considering the events since January 20th, I'm pretty sick of everything.  Some people are down right evil. No chance of redemption.   

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On 1/23/2017 at 7:14 PM, Howl said:

Perfect example of how kids fall through the cracks.  No 13-year-old should disappear into a basement and no one with her best interests at heart knows it. 

These guys will disappear into the prison system for a very, very long time. 

Until the orange shit stain pardons them.  Wow am I bitter much?

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Are they going to say they both must marry her?  It's in the bible.

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28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,

29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

 

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4 hours ago, JMarie said:

Are they going to say they both must marry her?  It's in the bible.

 

I think the judge should use this verse instead....

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“As for whoever causes these little ones who believe in me to trip and fall into sin, it would be better for them to have a huge stone hung around their necks and be drowned in the bottom of the lake." (Matt 18:16)

 

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Is it just me or is this like the third  case in Ohio where someone has imprisoned a young girl to rape? 


Ohio does have a hight incidents for imprisonment it seems. Their state has an imprisonment and kidnapping problem. Idaho has a problem convicting rapist and handing down appropriate sentences. I wonder what some of the factors are for the problems. I wonder if the center for investigative reporting will eventually do a story. I swear I have so many ideas for investigative reporting stories. One what happened to female employees of Hobby Lobby after the supreme court decision. How were they effected? Two what happened to those train loads of children who came up from Central and South America a couple years ago? Three why do Americans believe the Republicans can replace the ACA and do health care reform, when the ostensibly kicked the can down the road after the Clinton attempt and burn out? Just some off the top of head stories.
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