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It’s going down as I type, getting ugly. It all started when Jordan Niednagel announced on Facebook that his family left Samaritan for Christian Healthcare "Ministries". There’s some Niednagel/Thomas sparring (literally: Jordan challenges Michael to a duel), but that’s not the best part. Soon McDonald sisters Tiffany and Jessica (whose husband works at Samaritan!) are going at it, with father James expressing his disapproval of Tiff’s anti-Samaritan stance with a sad emoji.

And of course Lauren Zimmerman has to throw her two cents in. Enjoy!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, BabyBottlePop said:

I watched their video on "how it works" and I'm still confused. Doesn't somebody's bills not get paid?

Honestly, I've never been able to understand it. I've gone to their website, I've read articles about it (pro and con), I've read the threads here... I still just don't get it. 

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Yeah I don't get these. They don't cover well baby/child and with all of these families having boatloads of children, yeah, paying 495 a month AND having none of that stuff covered makes no sense.  I love how their main concern is homebirth is covered.  I would be more worried about the doctors visits, vaccinations, etc that are after the baby is born.

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It almost seems to be treading a communist/socialist line imo, but we know these people would swear up and down that it wasn't that! Anything but that! 

1 hour ago, teachergirl said:

Yeah I don't get these. They don't cover well baby/child and with all of these families having boatloads of children, yeah, paying 495 a month AND having none of that stuff covered makes no sense.  I love how their main concern is homebirth is covered.  I would be more worried about the doctors visits, vaccinations, etc that are after the baby is born.

Who needs a doctor when you have Jesus and vaccinations are bad!!! At least I'm sure some of these people who pay for this feel like that.

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1 hour ago, BabyBottlePop said:

I watched their video on "how it works" and I'm still confused. Doesn't somebody's bills not get paid?

That's what I always thought I don't see how they could cover the large expenses. Plus don't people choose what they cover so if no one chooses you. 

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Melissa N.: "They say responsible alcohol, no tobacco." 

Well, then, I can only imagine how many Reformed Presbyterian males are hiding their pipe smoking from them. It's part of their "identity." :roll:

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6 hours ago, BabyBottlePop said:

I watched their video on "how it works" and I'm still confused. Doesn't somebody's bills not get paid?

Thatʻs exactly how it works, especially when there are really big bills, like the ones that came due after Little Tait Zimmermanʻs premature birth.

Interesting that one of the commenters is expecting child #2 and has insured herself & child#1 on Scamaritan while her young hubby is still on his parents medical plan, being under 26. What are the chances that one or more of them voted for Trump? 

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Katherine Drummer: Jessica N. M. Guenther i think it will because Frank isn't covered with Samaritan. He's still on his parent's plan until he's 26. So it's just myself and Taya and with a 3rd person I read that it will go up to $495 I think? I hope I'm wrong. We love Samaritan but sheesh! A $500 health insurance bill is rough. Maybe because we don't ever use it unless I have a baby... which is happening often enough I guess!  Lol

 

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4 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Thatʻs exactly how it works, especially when there are really big bills, like the ones that came due after Little Tait Zimmermanʻs premature birth.

Interesting that one of the commenters is expecting child #2 and has insured herself & child#1 on Scamaritan while her young hubby is still on his parents medical plan, being under 26. What are the chances that one or more of them voted for Trump? 

 

They were not on Samaritan when Tait Jr. was born. 

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4 hours ago, JemimaPuddle-Duck said:

They were not on Samaritan when Tait Jr. was born. 

Did they have any insurance? 

ETA: James Lansberry, the executive VP of Samaritan, has joined the discussion. Can't you just see Jessica pacing the floor as her hubby nervously called him last night? "My own sister...!" 

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6 hours ago, JemimaPuddle-Duck said:

They were not on Samaritan when Tait Jr. was born. 

Interesting, but doesn't change the basic Scamaritan/fundie premise which is accept the needed medical services at whatever cost and then "negotiate" with those providers to lower or forgive unpaid bills. This is exactly what the Zimmermans did and then begged for money to pay the renegotiated bills.

Please note that little Tait's care could have been largely covered by government medical services to which families in this situation are entitled. This is why people like me pay taxes and I have NO PROBLEM providing such care to those who need it, including the Zimmermans and their ilk.  

But, oh nos, we can't have holier-than-thou Christianists like the Zimmermans taking ebil gubbmint money so instead let's cheat medical providers out of their income* by forcing down their costs through "negotiation" and then beg for the remainder of the money.

*The wildly divergent charges for medical care are criminal, IMO, and a whole 'nother story.  

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I need a drink!  Wealthy Jordan Niednagel applied for Medicaid to fulfill a JustOurKind Medicsl Bill Sharing plan? *erupting emoji here*

And there are idiots who don't want Medicare Part A who qualify for it? *don't dare slap my forehead because it'd be forceful enough to decapitate myself!*

These people are wack. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, hoipolloi said:

Please note that little Tait's care could have been largely covered by government medical services to which families in this situation are entitled. This is why people like me pay taxes and I have NO PROBLEM providing such care to those who need it, including the Zimmermans and their ilk.  

Genuinely don't understand how it's UnChristian to use Medicaid, but it's A-OK to ask your friends and family to donate to you?  Especially when using guilt-trips and tons of manipulation to try to wring cash of out people who can't afford it either...  It boggles my brain, every time I see this kind of nonsense. 

Now, I'm in the UK, so we are ALL about the NHS, and the idea that we pay according to our wealth and use according to our need, so this is one of those cultural chasms - but can someone please explain how the Scamaritan type "people choose who to support" works?  I can't imagine signing up for insurance when you know that the people with best writing skills/most photogenic patients are going to be advantaged over the "ugly", the less-literate, and anyone who could be judged as lesser....

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15 minutes ago, Lurky said:

but can someone please explain how the Scamaritan type "people choose who to support" works? 

I want to know more about this, too. I find it very hard to believe that, say, a single mother would not face extreme judginess. And a lot of these people have known each other literally for decades. What if you know that Calvin McLuther is a "good Christian" now, but used to drink heavily with Spanky back in the day? Would you bet on that horse? Hell, I'm not sure I would!

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I thought it filtered out any smokers, drinkers, gay people, and perhaps those travelling to countries where disease is common.

Oh and no doubt athiests and other "undesirables"

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3 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

I want to know more about this, too. I find it very hard to believe that, say, a single mother would not face extreme judginess. And a lot of these people have known each other literally for decades. What if you know that Calvin McLuther is a "good Christian" now, but used to drink heavily with Spanky back in the day? Would you bet on that horse? Hell, I'm not sure I would!

You don't choose who you support, you're assigned someone to send your monthly share to. 

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9 hours ago, DomWackTroll said:

James Lansberry, the executive VP of Samaritan, has joined the discussion

I remember when one of the Scamaritan folks briefly came here. He ran fast when asked why they used Samaritan when they were doing the exact opposite of what that story was supposed to teach. It is like the whole message of the story went right over their heads. They(and the people who join to avoid helping insure the ungodly) are the priest and the Levite who walked on the other side of the road. 

The story of Tait Jr shows how well the whole process of negotiating to lower bills works when your bill is that large. Scamaritan works on a faulty principle. 

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And they are against "risky" behavior but it is perfectly fine to have high risk pregnancies, long term hospital stays with those births and extra prenatal care. I am not against any of those things but they are hypocrites. They would turn away someone overcoming addictions, treating mental illness or fighting chronic illness.

  And for the Zimmermans, do they take the subsidy that Alaskans get? Do theyl take their tax credits for their billion kids? I am pretty sure that is the government subsidizing them as well. They act so high and mighty with their no govt aid but the truth is we all benefit from gov policies and programs.

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No i think they are there...he works for his dad's real estate company....Nothing like taking dominion over the real estate market. lol

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1 hour ago, teachergirl said:

And for the Zimmermans... They act so high and mighty with their no govt aid...

I just can't forgive the way they used their own very sick infant to prove to all their rabidly anti-gov pals how purely libertarian they are. I thought the Bible said something about PRIDE...

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1 hour ago, teachergirl said:

No i think they are there...he works for his dad's real estate company....Nothing like taking dominion over the real estate market. lol

And nothing like working for Daddy, when all you've got is a SOTDRT education!

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Such a can of worms our little Jordanyo has opened! Even the Loomii, and some of the elusive Botkin chilluns, have weighed in.

Oh, what special snowflakes these folks are - even their illnesses are rarefied. No mixing of *their* medical bills with those of the unbelieving, heathen riffraff.

 The smug. It boggles my mind.

 

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I can't imagine having my friends, family, and extended social circle so far up my butt they not only knew my insurance situation but also every time I saw a doctor. This whole system is 100% about policing other people's lives. Imagine the Gladys Kravitz levels of "observation" that happen among members. 

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