Jill, Derick, Israel and the latest Dillard- Part 23

[samurai_sarah]

Carry on from here:

 

[Lizzybet]

I don't understand how anyone, no matter how full of raging hormones, can't hold back when pregnancy is a huge risk TO THE VERY LIFE THEY COULD BE CREATING!

If children are a blessing, why would you risk causing terrible harm, maybe great pain, to what you consider an innocent child?

Or, does it only matter what YOU want?

As horrible as it seems to have been in CA, it didn't put a damper on the libido of one or both. I don't understand anything about such people.

Even animals often won't reproduce in stressful circumstances.

 

 

 

[Carm_88]

They are just awful human beings who care more about the quantity of children, then the quality of life that they will have. 

[actuallyjessica]

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking Zika and not saying anything.

[Pasta]

Are they smart enough to seek medical help? 

[Incognito22]

Would that explain Dericks gaunt appearance?  I noticed Jill posted a tweet about abortion too on the 21st.  Seems very odd in the excitement of pregnancy.  

[Bad Wolf]

26 minutes ago, Pasta said:

Are they smart enough to seek medical help? 

probably not. Jesus will take care of everything.

[Nicole Jinger Duggar]

If the baby has Zika because they just couldn't wait to have another, I'll lose any sense of respect for these people.

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

36 minutes ago, Pasta said:

Are they smart enough to seek medical help? 

No they are not. And if they are not and she did test positive for Zika, that baby won't survive the birth.  I hate talking about this because it is so sad and I wouldn't even wish this on Jill & Derick, I'm really hoping this speculation is just that because if it isn't this is going to end very badly. 

[Lizzybet]

25 minutes ago, Incognito22 said:

Would that explain Dericks gaunt appearance?  I noticed Jill posted a tweet about abortion too on the 21st.  Seems very odd in the excitement of pregnancy.  

He's looked gaunt and unhealthy since long before now.

I think his outsides are finally matching his pinched, joyless, insides

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

Last thread someone said Jill got bad news last week, where does it say she got bad news? I can't find it. 

[ClaraOswin]

The more I see from these two...the more I hate them.

[carebaer]

1 hour ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

 And if they are not and she did test positive for Zika, that baby won't survive the birth.

That's a serious exaggeration.  The study in the US showed birth defects in 6% of Zika pregnancy cases (and that's all birth defects not just microcephaly).  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/zika-study-us-pregnant-women-tracks-birth-defects-microcephaly/ 

The highest percent I could find referenced was an estimated range that went from 1% to 13%. 

Even 1% is typically statistically significant when it comes to birth defects and with the potentially serious consequences it's worth taking precautions.  However, that's a far cry from a positive test=no chance of survival. 

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

17 minutes ago, carebaer said:

That's a serious exaggeration.  The study in the US showed birth defects in 6% of Zika pregnancy cases (and that's all birth defects not just microcephaly).  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/zika-study-us-pregnant-women-tracks-birth-defects-microcephaly/ 

The highest percent I could find referenced was an estimated range that went from 1% to 13%. 

Even 1% is typically statistically significant when it comes to birth defects and with the potentially serious consequences it's worth taking precautions.  However, that's a far cry from a positive test=no chance of survival. 

I was replaying to the question of "is she smart enough to see a doctor" I said no &  that if she didn't get prenatal care, the baby wouldn't survive. If she pulls a dumbass move like she did with Izzy's birth and has no prenatal care, a baby with a birth defect AND labors for day sat home, odds are the baby won't survive. 

[Snarkle Motion]

18 minutes ago, carebaer said:

That's a serious exaggeration.  The study in the US showed birth defects in 6% of Zika pregnancy cases (and that's all birth defects not just microcephaly).  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/zika-study-us-pregnant-women-tracks-birth-defects-microcephaly/ 

The highest percent I could find referenced was an estimated range that went from 1% to 13%. 

Even 1% is typically statistically significant when it comes to birth defects and with the potentially serious consequences it's worth taking precautions.  However, that's a far cry from a positive test=no chance of survival. 

This. There is absolutely no reason to assume that Zika will automatically result in an unhealthy child.  In fact we likely don't even know the actual statistics or what they would be for someone who conceived post infection. 

[Snarkylark]

1 hour ago, Snarkle Motion said:

This. There is absolutely no reason to assume that Zika will automatically result in an unhealthy child.  In fact we likely don't even know the actual statistics or what they would be for someone who conceived post infection. 

This. Exactly. While they are stupid not to follow the recommendations, not doing so does not automatically mean a child conceived will suffer from the effects of Zika. 

I also wonder where Jill said she got some bad news?

[Kira]

1I thought she looked pregnant in some photos from November(I can say that now!)

2. Did she really have no prenatal care when she was pregnant with Israel?

3. I want to know more about their west coast trip.

[evolutionbaby]

40 minutes ago, Snarkylark said:

I also wonder where Jill said she got some bad news?

I think it was on her Instagram where she said she had had a bad day, not that she had received bad news. It might have been not much at all, we all have bad days. Maybe another shower rack fell?

[llg1234]

This is going to sound really cynical, but I think the Dillards would definitely have said anything if they tested positive for Zika. Not only could they get up on their no abortions whatsoever high horse, but they could drive home the fact that they're really putting themselves on the line for Non-Catholic Jesus. They went to scary and dangerous El Salvador to follow god's will, despite the known risks and now they're martyr's (I feel like there's a better word to use,idk), which can be used to legitimize their time as 'missionaries'.

I hope my thought process is wrong and I REALLY hope there isn't an issue with the baby. Mostly because if there's anyone who's ill equipped to raise a special needs child, it's a Duggar. 

[PartriarchydefyinValkarie]

5 hours ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

I was replaying to the question of "is she smart enough to see a doctor" I said no &  that if she didn't get prenatal care, the baby wouldn't survive. If she pulls a dumbass move like she did with Izzy's birth and has no prenatal care, a baby with a birth defect AND labors for day sat home, odds are the baby won't survive. 

When she did that BS with Izzy I wanted to give her a fish slap lol jk but seriously. If your kid isn't progressing correctly after all that time, you SHOULD be able to figure out there is something truly wrong. 

Jill keeps this up and she'll end up needing a C section again in SA and possibly end up like Lori Grimes (I really hope it won't happen as Israel doesn't deserve that) minus her turning into a Walker as a Walker has more common sense than Jill.

[SilverBeach]

@PartriarchydefyinValkarie, points for TWD reference.

[ClaraOswin]

8 hours ago, Kira said:

1I thought she looked pregnant in some photos from November(I can say that now!)

2. Did she really have no prenatal care when she was pregnant with Israel?

3. I want to know more about their west coast trip.

I'm not sure if women technically "show" that early in a pregnancy.

She saw a midwife during her pregnancy. But she didn't go to a doctor. I don't believe she had any real ultrasounds (just the boutique kind that tells you the sex of the baby.) I believe her midwife was somewhat decent because I know she tested positive for group b strep. But it's my understanding that during labor, she chose not to call her real midwife and just called the midwife in training or something like that. I think her actual midwife had the last name Coons or something but I can't think of it now. I know that they showed her in an episode or two.

[Snarkle Motion]

8 hours ago, evolutionbaby said:

I think it was on her Instagram where she said she had had a bad day, not that she had received bad news. It might have been not much at all, we all have bad days. Maybe another shower rack fell?

Yes you are right. She said she had a bad day not received bad news. 

8 hours ago, Kira said:

1I thought she looked pregnant in some photos from November(I can say that now!)

2. Did she really have no prenatal care when she was pregnant with Israel?

3. I want to know more about their west coast trip.

Yes, the west coast trip timing is very interesting. Did Jill go with Derrick? Maybe they were sEwing a specialist?

[Snarkylark]

I've also read here that there has been speculation that because they are expecting again that they won't be going back to CA. Have they said that? And I've also seen a few comments indicating that people think the Dillards read here. Why is that?

[justmy2cents]

3 minutes ago, Snarkylark said:

I've also read here that there has been speculation that because they are expecting again that they won't be going back to CA. Have they said that?

They actually said that.  Jill said that if she gets pregnant they won't go and that they were trying to conceive.  Derick said something about man making plans but god directing steps. They're definitely not going back before that baby is born. Who knows what they'll do later.  Now Jill can deliver Jessa's baby.