Counting On Season 2 - Part 5

[nst]

9 hours ago, Carm_88 said:

I'm sad for Jana and Joy too. Jinger will have the wedding and move, then maybe Jana will get to do whatever secret project this tattoo parlour is. 

Jinge will have her horrible wedding and Jana will have real estate - I would rather be Jana - she at least has a future. 

Jinge has nothing except a man who is worried that she has had sex.

I really want to say something else but I won't because I Just thought of it and it and it terrifies me. 

[HarleyQuinn]

16 minutes ago, nst said:

 

I really want to say something else but I won't because I Just thought of it and it and it terrifies me. 

Say it. I doubt it will be the most offensive thing I've read on FJ. 

 

Jeremy calling her simple rubs me the wrong way. Just like how he complimented her on being "meek." in the past. He sounds like he wants a submissive sex toy, tbh. 

[VelociRapture]

9 hours ago, Rio said:

Cathy looks like about a million dollars in this picture, hair, makeup, great dress and everything. Talk about getting better fast! So pretty. She should have cropped  the other two out of the picture!

 

Jill mentioned on Instagram that the dress Cathy wore was the dress she wore to their wedding - Cathy said it fits better now. 

She does look fantastic. She has horrible beliefs, but she seems to adore her kids, their significant others, and her grandkids (both four legged and Izzy.) I sincerely hope she continues to stay healthy and cancer free.

6 hours ago, HarryPotterFan said:

That sounds dirty.   

Jeremy called her simple? 

See, my husband described my engagement ring the same way - simple and elegant. The difference is, he says, "Just like my wife wanted," as opposed to, "Just like you." 

I think he likely meant to be complimentary. And to Jinger, he probably did one across as complimentary - he thinks I'm elegant and low-maintenance y'all (please ignore the flight delaying hair disaster!) 

But it comes off as being insulting or weird or a slip of some sort because most of us here don't subscribe to their patriarchal beliefs.

11 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Say it. I doubt it will be the most offensive thing I've read on FJ. 

 

Jeremy calling her simple rubs me the wrong way. Just like how he complimented her on being "meek." in the past. He sounds like he wants a submissive sex toy, tbh. 

She has a point @nst. Unless what you were thinking about posting breaks any of the rules - like sexuality speculation about minors/unmarried offspring or speculating about unnamed or unknown victims of Josh Duggar. 

(So just proceed with caution - less trouble for you and the Admins = win-win situation!)

[nst]

All I am saying is last night cemented everything I thought.   Jinge's expression when she realized she had to have children with this man spoke volumes and so much more.  And HarleyQ knows what I mean.. I am not going further because it's too sad. 

so who thinks the wedding is this weekend..... 

 

[VelociRapture]

1 minute ago, nst said:

All I am saying is last night cemented everything I thought.   Jinge's expression when she realized she had to have children with this man spoke volumes and so much more.  And HarleyQ knows what I mean.. I am not going further because it's too sad. 

so who thinks the wedding is this weekend..... 

 

I would say smart money is on this weekend. If not, then Jessa's week. It isn't unheard of for people to share their birthday with a family member's wedding. If they go that route, they could always have a special moment to single out little Spurgeon with a birthday cake and song. Little guy would probably love it and it would be a sweet gesture to his parents too (plus they could get some cute photos of the newlyweds with a cake covered Spurgeon.)

[Funwithfundies]

12 hours ago, Buzzard said:

Post count proposals:

Hiding from a shower curtain

Crying about a shower curtain

Pray for me, the shower curtain fell

 

I went into a giggle fit over 'pray for me' the shower curtain fell', so that gets my vote for sure.

[HegLumper]

21 minutes ago, nst said:

All I am saying is last night cemented everything I thought.   Jinge's expression when she realized she had to have children with this man spoke volumes and so much more.  And HarleyQ knows what I mean.. I am not going further because it's too sad. 

so who thinks the wedding is this weekend..... 

 

Yes...the expression was just so sad. It actually looked to me like she wasn't sure what the answer should be, almost as if they hadn't talked about it yet. Which seems about right because they don't talk about anything except "babe, I love you", but is so hypocritical because I'm sure it's a question on jim bobs form. 

 

 

[purple_summer]

10 hours ago, montyollie said:

Right, but again, they don't care.  They believe if a mother dies in childbirth, it's god's will.  They are right with the lord, so they'll go to heaven anyway and it will be a celebration.

I was raised fundie, I know of what I speak.  These people just don't care.  And you will notice NONE of them have jobs or health insurance anyway, so all that care costs money they probably don't have (well the Duggars do because of the show, but most fundies don't). 

When people choose to forgo prenatal care, they are not necessarily evil people.  There is something to be said for extra scans and tests coming back with false negatives and causing unnecessary surgeries anyhow.  I do realize I'm in the minority with this opinion.  But if you genuinely don't care if you or the baby die in childbirth (because you'll all go to heaven anyhow), prenatal care is a waste of time and money.

Raised fundie too, friends and family have opted for home births over a hospital birth. One had a CNM (with hospital privileges!!!) and received regular prenatal care. The other didn't have a CNM but she still heard the baby's heartbeat before she was 12 weeks along. 

 

Considering the Bates see an actual doctor and have hospital births (and Michelle did as well) there's no reason for Jessa etc to not get at least basic prenatal care. 

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

Re Jill: 

1. the shower curtain falling, They heard a loud noise in their apartment and yeah, I'd be a little creeped out as well. Perhaps neighbors had had a break in recently, upping the spook factor.  I know when I hear a loud noise in my house I'm flipping out until I know what it is.  Now do I cry about it later, no I laugh about it.  

2. she's probably BORED out of her mind in CA.  She has no family around, no friends really, she has a language barrier, and nothing really to do but watch Izzy and read her bible, again. 

3. I don't think she's depressed or sick or mentally fragile, she's pissed she isn't pregnant again and Jessa is., remember it is all about Jill. She got pregnant the 1st time she had sex last time and she still isn't pregnant this time, she's been raised to feel her self worth is in the number of babies she can birth. Which also explains MEchelle's breakdown/spaceout/whatever is wrong with her after she was told no more babies because she's a dried up ovary.  

Derricks wander lust, IMO, has a lot to do with getting away from her batshit crazy family. I'd rather live in a 3rd world country than next door to Boob too. 

[nst]

notice all the lies they discuss openly - re Jill and messaging right away whereas they claim days go by and they can't get hold of her. 

 

[QuiverDance]

13 hours ago, MarblesMom said:

Who called the 29th? I know there were predictions made somewhere on FJ.....

Meeee

[JessasTwin]

13 hours ago, montyollie said:

I have no problem with parents who want home birth or free birth or no prenatal care.  In light of the fact the Duggars would never abort, they don't need to know if there are genetic abnormalities, because that knowledge is useless.  They are going to have the baby anyway.  I think prenatal care is TOTALLY overrated.  It's just something the western world in 2016 thinks is necessary when no one ever had it for milennia and most of the world doesn't get it now.  They believe if the baby dies, it's god's will.  If it's born healthy, it's god's will.  If it's born disabled, it's god's will. If it's born at 39-40-41 seeks, it's all god's will.

 

My friends who had home-free births were not even fundy, they were atheist burners (burning man folks) and just because you think prenatal scans are necessary doesn't mean it is.

My sister-in-law (23 years old and perfectly healthy) had a baby a few months ago. She didn't go to the doctor until after 20 weeks due to not having health insurance. On the first ultrasound, they noticed something off. After several weeks of seeing different specialists, they realized the baby had a birth defect which had prevented her lungs from developing properly. There is a surgical procedure that can be done to correct it, but it MUST be done before 28 weeks. It was already too late. My niece passed away a few minutes after she was born.

If she had gotten the routine 8 and 12 week scans like I had during my perfectly normal pregnancy, odds are her baby would be alive right now. Just because many people have healthy babies with no prenatal care doesn't mean it's "unnecessary".

[Carm_88]

I still say the most exciting thing that happened was the Ben ate Jinger's taco and yes that sounds super dirty. 

I really don't get Jeremy, I was kinda giving him the benefit of the doubt but now that he gave his "defiling the marriage bed" speech. I'm pretty sure that he's old school. I was also kinda mad when he made comments about Jinger shopping and how he didn't care. It seemed like he thought that the only thing that she did was shop. Now maybe he just came off wrong at that moment as he did at the simple and elegant moment. That being said, I think he's been baptized in the fundie koolaid. 

I don't get the shower rack story. Was it supposed to give us sympathy for them? This was seriously the scariest thing that happened to them? Yes if you are home alone, scary things can happen but like people said it seemed like Derek was there. I don't know. I don't think Jill wants to go back. I think that Derek would.

Ben and Jessa. Well still smug, still pregnant still rings true!   

[IReallyAmHopewell]

21 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

In order of most likely to least likely:

1. Its Amy or Deanna or Jeremy or another family member. Basically, someone who would only be shocking to one of the Duggars - and only because they're paid to act surprised.

2. Sierra. Talking all about the tacky coffee and soccer themed outdoor December reception she has planned for JinJer. She accidentally mentions that she'll "forget" to order enough urns to keep the coffee hot and will have to "scramble" to find enough before the wedding starts.

3. Jana's secret husband appears to announce they're expecting triplets.

4. Jana's secret husband and four lovely children make an appearance. Just for shits and giggles.

5. A somehow now fully grown Caleb Dugar magically appears to briefly discuss how weird it is to be the only sibling without a J name, how much he loved his time attending Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, and to call Josh a douchebag. Then he magically disappears again and we're all left wondering what the fuck just happened.

 3 or 4  Would be as good as Edith ending up outranking Mary by marrying a Marquess!

[SassyPants]

Due to being sick, the Cubs breakdown in game #1 Of the WS and election coverage burnout, I watched the show last night.

The good, the bad and the ugly:

Good: Jeremy is very articulate. He seemed to express that for he and Jinge, their standards include more physical contact (arms around each other, frontal hugs). I am sure he has kissed, at minimum, her forehead. Jinjer seemed to indicate that children might be more planned. Jinger's  response to the question about kids, priceless.

Bad: Jessa is a bossy know-it-all. Sadly, she married a youngster.

Jill is sad. She is not interested in going back to the isolation of CA- and she'll do what ever she has to do to avoid going back. She has lost her joy in life. Derick needs to man up and find a job somewhere in NWA or OK

Joy is hopeless. Free Joy- she needs to get some purpose in her life.

Jinger- a worse cling-on than Jill. What will she do in Laredo? She'll be lonely before long.

Ugly: Jeremy. He is not attractive at all. I know, shallow, but damn. He reminds me of Bert from Sesame Street- put him in a vertically striped shirt and he's there.

 

 

 

[IReallyAmHopewell]

This week's thoughts, though I haven't found the summary yet.

1. If Joy is doing a course it is ATI approved, no worries on that score.

2. If Finger and Jeremy want the wedding paid for there will be a baby.

3. Derrick looks better. Jill needs real help, but will never get it. They are not home due to pregnancy they are home to be filmed for the show. That's it. No other reason. They are helping in CA by being there, cultivating relationships, providing a place to hear about God. That's "help" to them. Jill is not at all cut out for the life. Lack of education does that to a person. But there are just people who aren't cut out for it. Peace Corps sends as many home as missionaries do (I was in Peace Corps).

4. Jinger will move to Loredo so there's a new house for Jana to decorate and more Facetime video to show.

5. I'm with the news report that said Jana "owns" a building because Jim-Bob is diversifying for the Joshie civil suits. If she does anything with it, it will be like the J'girl flipping cars all over again.

6. Though it won't happen--I said earlier this show is to be a wedding and a baby per season (we only got a pregnancy and engagement this time, but close enough) I DEARLY WISH TLC would do this next season. "Season X ep1: While we were gone 8 Duggars got married, 3 are pregnant--cute, cute babies!--and this is how things are now. " And we see Derrick helping dig a clean water-well and Jill having Bible study with Moms and Babies and doing better with Spanish. We see Anna teaching her kids. We see John stopping a car to say "Hey just lettin' you know your tail light's out." and so on and so on. No more Sierra. No more BABE--please God no more BABE. The next couple has to use a different endearment. Then we see Jennifer doing something she likes. We she Josie being told "its not your turn--suck it up buttercup" We see Jordan doing something she likes. We see ....ANYTHING but Babe-related crap.

[Analytica49]

13 hours ago, Coconut Flan said:

I saw this on the ATI web page earlier today so now I'm wondering if this is the course Joy is doing.

http://iblp.org/programs/rise-up

I looked up this course, and noticed that it allegedly promotes "a Kingdom mindset and an eternal perspective."

When I was Joy's age, I could barely plan farther than a month ahead. (But then, I was working on a very tough undergraduate degree, and just trying to get my readings and essays completed.)

So I'm impressed that grads of this course are somehow going to be able to grasp and understand infinite time.

<snort>

 

[Analytica49]

12 hours ago, Rio said:

In general feeling kind of excited tonight that my marriage bed is defiled! I had no idea! Makes me feel like Mr. Rio and I are up to no good! This is wicked! I had thought we were tamely married for 16 years but this is more interesting. 

Seriously, do not know what kind of theology would dictate that premarital sex "defiles" the marriage bed. Marriage should pretty much "legitimize" your relationship, in almost any major religion I can think of. Jeremy is nuts. Glad I'm not in his congregation. 

Actually, we'd have to assume that, according to Smug-Jeremy, not just premarital sex but even a little kiss or a squeeze "defiles the marriage bed"--since those are forbidden by Duggar rules.

Let's think about what that implies.

• It means that God, for some strange reason of his or her own, frowns on kissing and touching before marriage, but not afterward.
• It implies that almost every married couple, gay or straight, has a "defiled" marriage, because almost every married couple engages in more than just side-hugs and hand-holding before they are married.
• It implies that almost every single marriage is sullied, corrupted, despoiled, tainted, and ruined (synonyms for "defiled," according to my online thesaurus).
• It means that all these marriages are ruined before they even begin.
• And finally, it means Jeremy is a know-it-all jerk, for claiming this kind of insight into marriage and God.

[HereticHick]

I don't understand how JiJer will accomplish the customary Duggar gift grab if they don't have a public wedding registry.  They will miss out on all the random leghumper gifts!

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, HereticHick said:

I don't understand how JiJer will accomplish the customary Duggar gift grab if they don't have a public wedding registry.  They will miss out on all the random leghumper gifts!

Unlike Jill, Jessa, and Josh, Jeremy has been living on his own for some time. He has sheets, pots, dishes etc.  so there isnt an urgent NEED for them to register for those things.  They know the humpers will send their love offerings straight to the TTH regardless of whether Jinger requests it - they'll send them simply because they can hope and pray for a thank you note (that will never come).

 

The shower curtain story is seriously fucked up.  It legitimately traumatized her, she was truly crying and leaning on Derick.  I guess when you're alone in a place where they tell you animals stalk your porch to eat your baby, bugs try to bite you, and heathens lie in wait to rape you... any noise will freak you out.  The fact that something that minor sent her into a panic is a sign that she just isnt cut out for "missionary" work "in the field."  Derrick needs to man up and accept that limitation and find something his wife can handle without running into the bathroom and skyping for prayers. Maybe they can open a soup kitchen locally and convert the hungry domestic heathens.

I'm kind of perplexed about a bathroom as a "safe" room.  I've always known safe rooms (from intrusion) to be a room with a point of egress.  If bad men made it into the house she's literally fish in a barrel hiding in a room with no escape.  Want a safe room? Set up a room with a closet and reverse the door frame so that the door cannot be kicked in (so that to kick it open you would be kicking into the frame, thus strengthening it).  Do the same to the closet in the room.  The time you buy in fortifying the door lets you get out the window.

Jana and the tattoo parlor.... I'm guessing the Duggar trust bought it but I am sure one of our sleuths will find the records.  My guess is that they are about to set up a thrift shop to support Jill and Derick's "ministry."

[CoveredInBees]

2 things:

1) Jana buys a Tattoo Parlour. Oh the joy! any chance of a Duggar/Tattoo Fixers mash up?  

2)Defiling the marriage bed. There are ways around that......... the floor........ the kitchen....... the park.......... crazy golf.......

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, CoveredInBees said:

2 things:

1) Jana buys a Tattoo Parlour. Oh the joy! any chance of a Duggar/Tattoo Fixers mash up?  

2)Defiling the marriage bed. There are ways around that......... the floor........ the kitchen....... the park.......... crazy golf.......

What exactly is involved in "defiling the marriage bed?"  Are we to assume that Jeremy is a virgin? Can he reclaim himself or is it just if the people getting married do the nasty before boob grants them permission?

[Carm_88]

2 minutes ago, CoveredInBees said:

2 things:

1) Jana buys a Tattoo Parlour. Oh the joy! any chance of a Duggar/Tattoo Fixers mash up?  

2)Defiling the marriage bed. There are ways around that......... the floor........ the kitchen....... the park.......... crazy golf.......

Jeremy was just so serious about it. Can't imagine him getting crazy on the golf course. Don't want to picture it. Ugh 

[Flossie]

I think it's obvious that Jill hated her time in Danger 'Merica.  She was too far from her family and her previous mission trips were all short term vacation type things that probably took place in areas that were pretty darned safe.  While loneliness and boredom were her complaints at first, over time she developed a list of things she hated.  I give her props for not taking the first plane back the day she found a tarantula in her home.  Having to live in a secure area with armed guards most likely pointed out the danger, not made her feel safe.  

So.  About the Falling Shower Curtain Rod of Death:  I picture Jill and Derick at home when they hear the big crashing sound in their home.  Derick yells "Grab Choo-choo and get to the bathroom!"  They run to the bathroom and shut the door.  Then they listen intently for voices or footsteps and stare at the doorknob waiting to see if someone turns the knob from the other side.  Jills crying and maybe the baby is, too, even though she knows they need to stay quiet so they can listen.  After a few minutes Derick relaxes enough to really look around and realizes the shower curtain has fallen.  Although he realizes that there is no danger, he has a hard time calming Jill down enough to get her to understand.  She is caught up in her fear and doesn't want Derick to open the door.  It takes a while for Derick to gain control of the situation.  

After that I bet Jill was ten time worse about being in CA.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason Boob and wife suddenly "surprised" Jill with a visit.  I wonder if it took all three of them to convince her to stay longer.

Now they're back, and while Derick is hoping that some time with her family might help Jill calm down, he's still talking about returning to CA, and I think that terrifies Jill.  It's pretty obvious that her mission experience has left her fragile, and if she's hoping a pregnancy will keep her home in Arkansas, she's probably stressing herself out trying to get pregnant.  I think Derick really screwed up.

[Buzzard]

1 minute ago, Flossie said:

So.  About the Falling Shower Curtain Rod of Death:  I picture Jill and Derick at home when they hear the big crashing sound in their home.  Derick yells "Grab Choo-choo and get to the bathroom!"  They run to the bathroom and shut the door.  Then they listen intently for voices or footsteps and stare at the doorknob waiting to see if someone turns the knob from the other side.  Jills crying and maybe the baby is, too, even though she knows they need to stay quiet so they can listen.  After a few minutes Derick relaxes enough to really look around and realizes the shower curtain has fallen.  Although he realizes that there is no danger, he has a hard time calming Jill down enough to get her to understand.  She is caught up in her fear and doesn't want Derick to open the door.  It takes a while for Derick to gain control of the situation.

Except we know she wasnt quiet... she was SKYPING asking for prayers! I'm sure she bugged her siblings out as well!