John Shrader Pt 9- Zealous in Zambia

[apandaaries]

3 hours ago, formergothardite said:

I feel the same way. Having John right there had to cause problems. It is easier for folks to see through his lies and scams when they have to put up with him on a weekly basis. 

This also appears to be a problem developing for John in Zambia, too. No matter where he goes, he's still lazy and people still notice.

[gustava]

18 hours ago, Howl said:

just google Sky King.  He was awesome.  He flew around Arizona and extricated Penny and apprehended bad guys. 

 

Loved this show!

[formergothardite]

John let everyone know that he hasn't totally dropped his "Bible College". He starts teaching again tomorrow. John put this disclaimer and I can't figure out why. He must be being criticized for starting his fake college.

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*Jesus never started a Bible College, He began and built a church. His church. The Scripture unequivocally states that the Biblical Church (ekklesia = called out assembly) is the "pillar and ground of the truth." (I Tim. 3:15) This is a ministry of our Biblically planted church here in Kafue, for faithful church members that God has called to be a "Faithful servant able to teach!"

Still no mention of the well. Come on John! You brought up the plane, your fake college, time to let people know what happened with that well! 

[ViolaSebastian]

6 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

John let everyone know that he hasn't totally dropped his "Bible College". He starts teaching again tomorrow. John put this disclaimer and I can't figure out why. He must be being criticized for starting his fake college.

Still no mention of the well. Come on John! You brought up the plane, your fake college, time to let people know what happened with that well! 

Don't forget the chickens, too!

[formergothardite]

And that Bible display case he was going to build! The supplies should have arrived early last year. 

[Palimpsest]

If John himself isn't reading here, I'd now put money on a few more of his disaffected donors having found us.

Yes, we need more information about the well and the chicken disaster!

39 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

*Jesus never started a Bible College, He began and built a church. His church.

Come on now, Johnny-boy.  Jesus' priority was always teaching.  He never built an actual church building, did he?  He taught in the open air, sermons were on the Mount or in the Garden of Gethsemane, or he taught in people's houses.  Arguably, the first church building was in Antioch and happened under Paul.  

By the way, about your church, that is one of the big things you said you would not do when you were on Deputation.  Physical buildings weren't important, you said, yet you made it a priority when you actually got to Sub-Saharan Africa.  What gives?

[Gobsmacked]

He couldn't gather people together on one spot on a regular basis with out providing some sort of seating and cover against the weather.

He had to build a structure. He preaches underneath the structure. That makes it a church I suppose. He is too thick to work that one out though.

It also makes a brilliant garage for his used car show room!! Strange how he hated his job selling used cars so now he just collects them instead. Irony , karma or a bit of both.

[Gobsmacked]

Some one named Nate who gave John boy the idea of flying back in Oregan years ago is now promising to get him back up in the air!!!

. I'm booking a ring side seat for this chapter in John boys life. 

[Palimpsest]

And all the leg humpers are praying frantically that John will fly again.  If he said he wanted to walk on water they'd pray earnestly for that too.

The Nate guy seems to be saying that a mission he is involved with is is willing to help John with training and a mechanic.  Here's what Nate said:

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After many years we are finally moving toward putting a mission aviation program together. We have begun the process of joining with Mission Air Care formerly of Alaska and now in North Carolina. Lord willing we will be moving there at the end of this year. We have several areas the ministry will be putting its efforts toward. But a couple of them are flight training and also we have a mechanic. Would love to be able to help you get some more training and get either the plane you have or possibly another plane such as a Cessna 206 in the air. Don't give up. 

Here's a better idea, Bro. Nate.  Tell John to partner with an existing flying mission.   If John really wanted to be a flying missionary that is what he should have done in the first place.  Instead he bought a decrepit plane he couldn't fly, squandered more donor money on lessons and flight time, and got himself a pilot's licence that isn't valid in Zambia.

John doesn't need his own bloody plane anyway, and the Lord only knows how much he'll have to spend on fuel, a hangar, mechanical assistance, and so on.

Look at this well established flying mission based just outside Lusaka (2 hours from Kafue) before you twerps reinvent the wheel: http://www.flyingmission.org/fmzintro.php

John could have already connected with them for mechanical help with the plane the Lord gave him, or bartered his crap plane (even if it is only scrap metal) for flight time, help with getting his Zambian licence, and any transport or airborne tract propaganda drops he has in mind.  They even do their own mechanics training from their Botswana location, and specialise in partnering with other missions to help with logistics!

Of course, this mission might not be the "right sort of Christian" for these jerks, but Shrader and his band of idiot leg humpers make me want to bash my head against a wall!

Fools and their money ...

[Howl]

But, but, bbbbbbut Flying Mission Zambia does support work for people doing actual good in Zambia, for the most part. 

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Provide logistical support to those who are providing developing communities with clean water, basic hygiene, literacy, higher standards of healthcare, better communications and church leadership training

Proclaim Jesus Christ through the meeting of peoples' spiritual and physical needs wherever we go

Likely sticking points for John

1) actual work involved, but no personal glory

2) pilots would have actual experience flying an airplane, and not just a few hours of instruction

3) see 1) above

4) no one is more purely Biblical than John, therefore too risky to chance being exposed to theological taint whilst working with other heathen Christians

5) see 1) above

IIRC, John has been in Zambia for several years and has made exactly one trip to a village in the "bush" countryside, although he now has a fleet of cars/SUV.

How is flying a plane into the bush any different than driving?  Realistically he could take MORE SUPPLIES to people in a van or truck.  Oh, silly me, John would NEVER think about sharing his snacks, let along being helpful to anyone. 

 

 

 

[Palimpsest]

9 minutes ago, Howl said:

But, but, bbbbbbut Flying Mission Zambia does support work for people doing actual good in Zambia, for the most part. 

True.  FMZ and other legitimate missions would suss out John and and label him as Poisonwood in a nano-second!  They would certainly charge him for services but paying them would be a lot less expensive than having his own plane.

However, these are the people that John should be connecting with - if not trying to partner with them.  If, heaven forbid, something bad happened to any of the Shraders these are the type of missionaries who would rally around, take care of the kids, Medevac sick parent or child out, and so on.  And they will do that however rude John has been to them.  It is a deeply ingrained value in missionary culture.

I'd also hope that they would send Rick Shrader the bill.  It probably won't be paid.

[formergothardite]

45 minutes ago, Howl said:

IIRC, John has been in Zambia for several years and has made exactly one trip to a village in the "bush" countryside, although he now has a fleet of cars/SUV.

I think he might have gone twice, maybe three times, but John claimed he needed the expensive Troupie to get "bodies and Bibles to the bush". That hasn't happened. If some fool gives John another plane, it will end up being used for John's personal pleasure. 

[uber frau]

Remember how much time and energy he had to spend jerrying up a rig to film him in his Troupie?

Imagine what lengths he'll have to go to to get a 20sec clip of him flying.  The trials of being a Sub Saharan missionary...

[anjulibai]

I bet when he imagines being a flying missionary, he's thinking of uncontacted tribes throwing their primitive spears at him as he bravely flies over, trying to find a place to land so he can be the first to bring God's word to this poor, isolated, spiritually and culturally lacking savage people.

Unfortunately for John, I believe he's on the wrong continent for uncontacted peoples. 

[GeoBQn]

Also, the wrong century.

[mirele]

11 hours ago, GeoBQn said:

Also, the wrong century.

Well no, there are still some uncontacted people groups out there. Here's an article from a few years back with an overview:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24090-how-many-uncontacted-tribes-are-left-in-the-world/

 

[formergothardite]

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Wow, was just informed that there's a website out there claiming I sold the plane God gave us and kept/stole the money!

The worst part was that the person that just informed me was told about this "fake news" site by a fellow Church goer.

Sad.

 

Is there another website out there discussing John and his inability to be a good steward of God's money? Because I don't remember anyone here saying he sold the plane and stole the money. The general consensus seems to be that John foolishly bought a pile of junk and wasted money on flight lessons that couldn't be used in Zambia.

~Note to any John supporters who might be reading here. Ask him specifically what laws and regulations changed and look it up yourself to see if he is telling the truth. People here noted from his first mention of learning to fly that the laws in Zambia made it so he wouldn't be able to fly in Zambia using just those lessons. We knew all along he wouldn't be able to fly.~

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If anyone needs to, I can provide the name and number of the Missionary that we bought it from (it's still on his property here in Zambia), and you are welcome to verify!

This poor brother got audited by the IRS, then lost his mother, then his wife passed away from the same cancer my sister had, all in the last three years. That's one of the reasons that he's been out of the country so much and I haven't seen the plane yet.

 

So how does John know that The seller was not exactly upfront about the condition. if he hasn't even seen the plane? Something in this story just isn't adding up. 

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I actually have been told by the dear brother that bought the plane singlehandedly that I could indeed sell it if we can't get it going

So John is probably going to sell the plane. I think this whole thing, from his sudden mention of the plane after years of avoiding questions about it, to the claims that people are saying he sold it, is just a set up for him to announce he sold it. He might get slammed if after years he just casually drops that he sold the plane, but the way he brought it up means that the sheeple won't think much if he says it is sold.

John is a con man. 

[Howl]

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I actually have been told by the dear brother that bought the plane singlehandedly that I could indeed sell it if we can't get it going

Um, how can you tell if it won't start IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE KEY? 

For any aviators out there, wouldn't it be relatively easy to hot start an older single engine airplane? 

Bought the plane singlehandedly...  What does that even mean?

[slickcat79]

3 hours ago, Howl said:

Um, how can you tell if it won't start IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE KEY? 

For any aviators out there, wouldn't it be relatively easy to hot start an older single engine airplane? 

Bought the plane singlehandedly...  What does that even mean?

I think his claim was that he didn't have the key to the facility where the plane was stored, although I may be remembering wrong since it's been so long. 

John got the money to buy the plane from one guy who heard his sales pitch. I'm assuming that's what he meant by "bought it singlehandedly", although I'm kind of surprised to hear him acknowledge that it was a person who bought it. I thought god provided it for him 

5 hours ago, formergothardite said:

Is there another website out there discussing John and his inability to be a good steward of God's money? Because I don't remember anyone here saying he sold the plane and stole the money. The general consensus seems to be that John foolishly bought a pile of junk and wasted money on flight lessons that couldn't be used in Zambia.

Maybe GOMI or reddit? I can't imagine that any actual fake news site would waste their time on Shrader. 

[Palimpsest]

16 hours ago, mirele said:

Well no, there are still some uncontacted people groups out there. Here's an article from a few years back with an overview:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24090-how-many-uncontacted-tribes-are-left-in-the-world/

 

True.  Now have fun contrasting  that with "unreached people groups" as defined by evangelical Christian ministries.

Just one of many: https://internationalproject.org/?gclid=CPOMwrzkztECFY0AaQodkYoO9A

 

[Palimpsest]

5 hours ago, formergothardite said:

John is a con man. 

Yes.  I smelled a rat too when he suddenly brought up the plane again.  He's spinning so fast he's going to fall over.

So the naughty seller who he claimed "misrepresented" the condition of the plane to him a few days ago has suddenly morphed into a sainted brother missionary who has fallen on hard times.

I'm not aware of any other websites following Shrader closely these days.  We have never claimed that he sold the plane and pocketed the money, at least to my recollection.

Looking for other websites I did find this snark from WTF Fundies from ages ago.  It has John's original post about the plane preserved for posterity.  They don't seem to have said much recently.  http://wtffundiefamilies.tumblr.com/post/45508650553/and-speaking-of-douches-lets-go-back-to-john

 

[formergothardite]

I suspect that he made the entire story up as an opening for him easing sheeple into the idea that he is selling the plane. John is bored and wants a plane. Clearly the one plane is junk and has always been junk. I don't believe the whole "key" story. The man could have mailed the damn key by now.

Will any of the followers notice his flip from bad seller who lied about the condition of the plane to poor missionary who has had a rough couple of years? Probably not. 

What would John have to do to be able to fly in Zambia. How much additional money will that take?

The chickens and well are still missing. 

[Palimpsest]

His followers seem to be so far up John's rump that they never question his changing stories. 

It's rather too disingenuous of him to turn it into a game of telephone.   My bolding:

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The worst part was that the person that just informed me was told about this "fake news" site by a fellow Church goer.

I suggest to John that he track down this mysterious fake news website himself and publishes the source of the calumny on Face Book.  Come on, John. I dare you!  

[Gobsmacked]

53 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

His followers seem to be so far up John's rump that they never question his changing stories. 

It's rather too disingenuous of him to turn it into a game of telephone.   My bolding:

I suggest to John that he track down this mysterious fake news website himself and publishes the source of the calumny on Face Book.  Come on, John. I dare you!  

 come on John. We know you read here. Don't keep us waiting too long now!!

[formergothardite]

Guess who else is starting a "Bible College"? David Rea! Blessing is also working with David, now.

http://rea.teamzambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Dec-2016.pdf

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it was an answer to my prayer about when to begin a Bible College. We are in the process of partnering with a Salt Lake Baptist College (SLBC) in Salt Lake, UT. This will allow the students here to receive an official degree from a US based institution. After beginning another man in the Church, Mike, also enrolled. The following week I met with a Burundian that has been trained, but admits his training is very lacking. He said, “I need you to teach me about real spiritual life.” This man’s name is Blessing. I have known him for over 3 years. He desires to preach the Gospel, in addition he is very skilled in small business. He will be able to train the other Bible College students in small business so they can earn a living