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10 minutes ago, hoipolloi said:

Well, his website says he specializes in "criminal defense of all types of criminal cases." Then, there's this extensive recap of his background:

 

He is a fundie who plays fast & loose with facts. There are no facts in that description; it's all 'in a big case' kind of reference. That page is a resume if I've ever read one. 

And even if he does represent the shit, there is only so much he can 'fundie-ize' in the process; the law trumps fundiedom. He can only act / defend / whatever within the guidelines of the law. 

Of course I don't know him, but he is a Smith friend; that tells me all I need to know and whatever involvement he may or may not have, I don't think he is qualified. If he participates in a Smith video, he is sub par on all levels. 

Although I see he is a divorce lawyer, who promotes those services. Maybe he can represent Katie. 

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Yeah I guess the  defendant might hire him then... There might still be a conflict of interest for the Smith family  lawyer as the victim is family and the lawyer might have previously represented the victim's interests or the interests of a family member who does not want Alan to get off. 

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1 hour ago, Kylolo said:

Based on the location of Moultrie, there likely aren't any other media outlets.  It's closest bigger town is Valdosta and that's about 2 hours away. EDIT--Valdosta has only a 50K population so it's not exactly a metropolis either.

Thinking about my mostly rural southern state, if something like this happens 2 hours from here (I'm in a 300K+ city that has multiple outlets) it's most likely not going to hit our paper or TV stations. You may get a two paragraph blurb somewhere that everyone picks up once but that's it.

Yeah there was an insane suicide/arson case in my town, which is about 20,000 people, but the nearby major (2 million people) metro area didn't cover it much, and we're only 25 miles from the city. They must just have bigger fish to fry.

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1 hour ago, Cleopatra7 said:

Unfortunately, child abuse cases are depressingly common. Other than the bizarre religious beliefs of the S'Mortons, there's nothing particularly noteworthy about this case, and as other people have mentioned, this family are a bunch of nobodies as far as the local media is concerned. 

Yes, I wish this were rare enough to be a big story. The New York Daily News has several short news blips every week about horrific child abuse and sexual abuse stories and then the stories are never heard of again. 

It really doesn't qualify as huge news anywhere and I doubt it's even the worst child abuse story coming out of Georgia this week. :pb_sad:

 

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57 minutes ago, fundiefan said:

It's possible but not fact. The discussion about him is his appearance in a Captn Bret production about CPS. He is the Smith family lawyer, but it's unlikely he is qualified to defend a child rapist. Or that he even would; even by fundie standards, rape of a child by a family member can't be a pardonable/excusable sin. In some circles, yes, but in most I would hope not. 

Short of billionaires, I think most accused of child rape are represented by public defenders rather than someone who truly believes in their innocence. And the Smith's don't have OJ's money or notoriety, or even the Tool's when it comes to mounting a defense.

Rape is a felony offense. It wouldn't be heard in Municipal Court. Judge Fudge won't be hearing this case and if criminal defense isn't his strong suit he won't be representing B Alan either

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Just now, snarkopolis said:

Rape is a felony offense. It wouldn't be heard in Municipal Court. Judge Fudge won't be hearing this case and if criminal defense isn't his strong suit he won't be representing B Alan either

Yeah, I meant representation was possible, but never in a million years would he be judge. 

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That is [jazz]hands down, the campiest thing I have ever seen and I've attended the coming out balls on Castro Street in San Francisco, so that's saying a lot.

 

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1 hour ago, ladyamylynn said:

Yeah there was an insane suicide/arson case in my town, which is about 20,000 people, but the nearby major (2 million people) metro area didn't cover it much, and we're only 25 miles from the city. They must just have bigger fish to fry.

Not just small towns.  We used to live in an apartment in Hollywood.  It looked out at another building- the guy across from us had his balcony about ten feet from ours.  Never really knew him but waved/chatted occasionally

We woke up one night to see his apartment engulfed in fire.  We watched the FD put it out, but shortly afterwards the police showed up at the door wanting to know what we had seen.

Turns out the fire was started when someone poured gas on the guy's body and set it on fire.  He apparently was a transvestite and was in full drag at the time to boot.

Got the paper and watched the news the next few days.  Not a mention in either- it was like it never happened.  If that can't make the paper, what will?

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What I can't stop thinking about is that Katie will somehow be blamed for Alan's actions. The fundie woman always seems to get blamed for her husband's failings. From the fundie perspective, she hasn't been a good enough wife if he has strayed like this. :my_confused: 

I don't know how Katie will hold up through the trial and possible conviction since she seems like such a child herself. She's been put in such an impossible position, with no education and 8 children to raise. Her parents better step up and support her since they're the ones who put her in this horrible position.

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Not a Degreed Law Professional®, but if this Bret Alan Smith guy has one tenth of a brain, he'll take a plea deal and save everyone a lot of pain, amiright?  Wouldn't a lawyer recommend the same?  

If there are other victims, B.A.S will surely see the shit storm headed his way.

 

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What have I just wasted precious minutes of my life watching!!!

Does this guy think he is auditioning for a part in Fiddler on the Roof! Topal he ain't.

Is he the father of the chap who is accused of  rape etc?

I'm totally confused as to who is who in this thread.

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19 hours ago, Gobsmacked said:
What have I just wasted precious minutes of my life watching!!!

Does this guy think he is auditioning for a part in Fiddler on the Roof! Topal he ain't.

Is he the father of the chap who is accused of  rape etc?

I'm totally confused as to who is who in this thread.
 

Yes, Bargain Basement Topal is the accused's father. It's confusing because they have the same name, Bret Alan Smith, but the father goes by Bret, while the son goes by Alan.
 

 

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1 hour ago, Gobsmacked said:

What have I just wasted precious minutes of my life watching!!!

 

     I was facinated by this and rewound several parts and watched over and over. The BURSTS! Part inexplicably amused me to no end. It's at 21 minutes. He takes so long to explain it.Lord of the dance indeed!

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I have a question for anyone here involved in protecting children. I am not speculating about this particular case. But  I am wondering, how do the authorities determine who is a victim? In situations with large families or within a cult, how can they tell which children have been abused? The children might be afraid to tell the truth or even want to protect the person. David Koresh comes to mind. People lied to protect him and because he was the leader and could do no wrong. So how to tell?

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5 hours ago, Letgo said:

I have a question for anyone here involved in protecting children. I am not speculating about this particular case. But  I am wondering, how do the authorities determine who is a victim? In situations with large families or within a cult, how can they tell which children have been abused? The children might be afraid to tell the truth or even want to protect the person. David Koresh comes to mind. People lied to protect him and because he was the leader and could do no wrong. So how to tell?

Not CPS, but former APS.   It is a very difficult task, but that is true even in small families who are not members of cults.  No-one wants to talk about it.  It is particularly hard when families scream religious persecution.

Lapsing into in SW-speak so bear with me.  

They do an investigation that considers a combination of physical and medical evidence (child sexual abuse often causes injuries) together with interviews with the victim(s) and as many witnesses as possible.  LE and CPS also have access to specialists in forensic child sexual abuse interview techniques.  CPS and LE work together in cases of serious abuse.

The DA here has been provided with enough solid evidence of criminal sexual abuse and incest by LE and CPS to make an arrest and charge B. Alan Smith with some terrible crimes.

Not all abuse reaches criminal levels cases, and many do not have enough solid evidence for an arrest and trial.  However,  CPS can mandate interventions to ameliorate abuse in cases where the abuse has been investigated and substantiated even if the abuse has not reached the level when it becomes a criminal offence.   Note the legal wording.  Even if a case doesn't go to trial there are back-up protections for the victim.  The victim(s) - or the abuser - can be removed from the home temporarily or permanently even without criminal charges.

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On 7/26/2016 at 10:17 PM, Milly-Molly-Mandy said:

I'm so disgusted. 

Who was he married too and what kids did they have?

i know of the Mortons but not the Smortons?

I just started reading this topic, so someone else may have already linked this...

http://www.freejinger.org/topic/7841-morton-family-tree/#comment-240942

Family tree appears to be as of 03/15 according to poster.

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Oh. My. God. That video! How absurd is he? So full of himself. He reminds me of a character Joe Pesci would play in a movie about a stranded Italian mobster who is trying to hide from the law and grift 'unsuspecting good Christian people TM'. How could anyone ever take him seriously? I mean, besides himself, of course.

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2 hours ago, ALM7 said:

I just started reading this topic, so someone else may have already linked this...

http://www.freejinger.org/topic/7841-morton-family-tree/#comment-240942

Family tree appears to be as of 03/15 according to poster.

That's a good start. But everyone has more kids now - that was from a post in 2012. And there are more marriages.

Martha, Andrew & Sam Morton are now married.

Martha Morton married Tayte Alexander, her 18 year old suiter, and they have one daughter, Alexandria Alexander. The Alexander family kind of came out of nowhere as far as their association with the Mortons. They have no mention before the kids started courting. They also live off the compound; I want to say in Indiana. 

Andrew Morton married Kennedy Decker last fall; the daughter of a family that didn't appear to be thick with them, but certainly had their presence over the years. They just had their first, Mia Jayden. They live on the Morton compound in a house Andrew had moved to the compound a few years ago. 

Sam Morton married Alyssa Campana, daughter of Frank Campana, anti-abortion crusader and a ridiculously close friend of all Mortons, Smiths and Sanders. Nothing has been heard of or from them since their March wedding.

Cleve Morton & Lise Kendall have 3 children. Liam, Kendall & Caroline(?) They lived in Texas at one time for some reason, but I believe they are back, but not on the compound?

Darthy Morton  & Noah Sanders now have 3 - Enoch, Patrick & Edwin. They live with Noah's family in Alabama as he runs their farm. 

Kressant Smith  & Michael Morton are pregnant with #7 - the boy after Isabella whose name I can't remember and the 6th, Harold Fletcher. They live on the compound. I think with papa Smurf Morton is in Paraguay now, Michael is the Sr. member of their construction company.

Katie Morton & Alan Smith (the accused) are pregnant with #9. I can never remember their kids names but I know one of the youngest is Dorothy. Alan is a grifter who never really found a way to support his family, moving back & forth between the Smith & Morton compounds, doing different jobs in each place, makin' the babies all along the way.

Rachel Smith & Wesley Morton have 4 kids and they packed up and moved to Paraguay with papa Smurf & momma Morton. They're another family I haven't been able to keep track of as far kid's names. Before going to Parguay with the Morton Sr's. they lived on the compound. 

Bethany Smith & Danny Lane have 3 kids, with #4 on the way. Lewis, Lynnora & London. The Lanes made appearances in the Smith lives over the years but were never front & center. They live in a 2 bedroom house in rural Georgia where Danny is an EMT; a real job in the real sector; totally unusual for this crowd, but they are otherwise the same as the rest. 

Rebekah Sanders just married Chad Cortner, someone she met on her own while being camp counselors somewhere.

Abbi Sanders just married Callum McStay, a man she met while in England, away from her family.

Another family associated with them all is the Roberts'. No marriages yet, but they are part of the fold none the less.

Now, someone kill me for first, knowing this all; second, being able to write it all; third for having the kind of morning where doing so is a better option than anything else that needs to be done. 

*How could I forget - - Papa Smurf Morton's father is married to Capt'n Bret's mother. (Or vice versa)

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So how the heck is she going to support 9 kids if her husband is in prison and if she was never encouraged to have an independent thought or expected to make any of her own decisions.  (I'm still reeling from the betrothal video.)

I wonder how the Morton padre deals with the cognitive dissonance and justifies telling Katie that this was the right man for her, according to the Lord. And how is this going to affect the loyalties and relationships in the extended family when the Smith-Mortons are all so entangled. It wouldn't be unusual for something like this to destroy or strain the relationships with the inlaws who screwed your family over... But with four marriages between them it would not be a simple matter... A lot of people could stop talking to their sister's inlaws and barely notice any difference but not so in this clan.

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21 hours ago, refugee said:

This is going to sound stupid against the backdrop of the larger discussion. Sorry, I never delved into the S'Morton threads before this one showed up. So I'm going to ask about "old news".

Wouldn't it be more "biblical" for the husband to wash the wife's feet, if you're going to have that sort of thing in a wedding ceremony? After all, he is her "head" (according to their teaching) just like Christ is head to his bride, the Church. And Christ was the one who washed others' feet, not other people washing his feet.

Oh wait, there was the woman who washed his feet with tears and dried them with her hair. Maybe that's the vibe they were going for. Yeah, that makes sense. The bride is a lowly, nasty, dirty (reforming) sinner, and the husband is the shiny clean christ-figure. Yup, that's much more demeaning to the bride. That must have been the deal.

I don't know much about these people, but I think the foot washing ritual at the wedding comes from 1 Samuel 25:4O-42.

"40And when the servants of David were come to Abigail to Carmel, they spake unto her, saying, David sent us unto thee, to take thee to him to wife. 41And she arose, and bowed herself on her face to the earth, and said, Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord. 42And Abigail hasted, and arose, and rode upon an ass, with five damsels of hers that went after her; and she went after the messengers of David, and became his wife." KJV.

Also. I think they come at footwashing from the Primitive Baptist tradition rather than the Catholic/Orthodox tradition.

To put it simply, when footwashing is reenacted in the Catholic/Orthodox tradition, it is generally a person in authority (or seniority) humbling him or herself by washing the feet of those who are nominally "lesser" in the hierarchy. Among Primitive Baptists, there is less an association with the ritual humility of the "higher" towards the "lower" and more with footwashing as a generic sign of humility and willingness to serve.

Primitive Baptists have also been called "Foot-washing Baptists" because washing each other's feet is a ritual they practice.   According to Wikipedia: 

"Primitive Baptists perform foot washing as a symbol of humility and service among the membership. The sexes are separated during the ritual where one person washes the feet of another. The practice is credited with increasing equality, as opposed to hierarchy, within Primitive Baptist churches." Wikipedia on Primitive Baptists.

In short, I don't think the footwashing "ceremony" at this wedding was specifically alluding to either Jesus washing the disciples' feet or the sinful woman washing Jesus's feet.  I think it used the "act of humility" in a ritual that reinforced rather than diffused hierarchical differences.  The specific Biblical reference is OT rather than NT because it suited their purposes better.

JMHO

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41 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

In short, I don't think the footwashing "ceremony" at this wedding was specifically alluding to either Jesus washing the disciples' feet or the sinful woman washing Jesus's feet.  I think it used the "act of humility" in a ritual that reinforced rather than diffused hierarchical differences.  The specific Biblical reference is OT rather than NT because it suited their purposes better.

Thanks for your explanation. That makes even more weird sense to me... patriarchal types seem to embrace the OT somehow. I haven't had enough coffee yet to enumerate some of the things I remember from our former church, and I've only just been introduced to the S'Mortons threads on FJ. I went back and looked at the Renaissance wedding, and yes, that's just the kind of thing one of the ruling families at our former church might do, IMO, though they hadn't done anything like that yet before we left. They *did* do an elaborate dress-up thing, more than once, to celebrate the anniversary of the Reformation, so why not a wedding some time? They weren't baptist, but they were heavily influenced by Gothard (he's baptist of some kind, isn't he?) and DPIAT, among others in the patriarchal crowd.

But yes, extremely OT in orientation, like reciting the ten commandments on a regular basis (oftener than the Nicene creed, actually), and interminable sermon series preaching through OT books, and even when preaching through NT books, an emphasis on rules and practices.

ETA: I don't have time to read through the background, so may I please be excused for asking why some of them up and moved to Paraguay? Is it a long-term mission, or are they, like the escaped Nazis and Jim Jones before them, trying to establish a colony where they can practice their lifestyle in peace, without interference.

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First, thanks FJ for getting me out of the Naugler thread and down this rabbit hole. Only brain bleach needed not hazmat suit. Second, may I ask a favor? Could we please not call him B. Alan Smith? I keep reading it P. Allen Smith, and that's gonna ruin my favorite public television gardening show. Back on topic, the Paraguay thing. Is it more religiously/ex-pat friendly than other S/C American countries? Is there a family tie? Thanks for the info as I still have some back threads to read.

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She got so fucked... "If she let her father pick a husband for her, she'd get so much better than on her own..."

And I can't help but eyeroll at  the humble little pat on the back Cap'n gives  himself. Of course he is the most godly and wise man anybody knows.

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Oh, my dear God in Heaven, what did I just watch? Do people really fall for this stuff?

 

I know they do. Don't answer that. How very sad. Thank you, Dad and Mom, for making me go to school and encouraging me throughout college. I did learn to think for myself, and after picking poorly with the Practice Husband, I did all right by myself with Mr. Four.

 

Shudder...

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