Duggars by the Dozenty!!11!- Part 21: As many threads as Duggars

[clueliss]

It looks (to me) like that might be a car lot (or parking lot).  Going with car lot for now because of Duggar reputation with vehicles.  

[patsymae]

2 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I wonder if they knew the owner of the bike for this photo op. I doubt they'd ever let a son ride a motorcycle. 

This is the kind of picture you take with 6-year-olds

[Iamtheway]

I took one pretty much like that one with my 2,5 year old a few weeks ago. He was very excited too. 

[sansan]

8 hours ago, season of life said:

Izzy looks a little like Derick in that picture.

He does look like Derick BUT everyone is totally missing the HUGE injury near his eye. Snark On. I have had two children, one girl and one boy, stuff happens but I truly am amazed that they have not been blasted for his bobo near his eyebrow. Just saying.

[picklepizzas]

i was looking through the list of accounts that jessa follows on instagram, and was shocked to realize that nearly half of the 37 she follows aren't even people - they're blogs or photographers. and nearly all of the real people she follows can be divided into two categories: duggars + duggar in-laws (i.e. wallers, seewalds) or bates + bates in-laws (websters, paines). jill's instagram is the same way; so are the bates girls'. i find this to be a very interesting crack in both families' "normal christian family" facade - i don't think its normal for 20-something women to only have friends/acquaintances from one of a couple of families.  it reveals an incredible level of isolation.  nothing we didn't already know, i suppose, but its striking to see it laid out like that. 

[MarblesMom]

1 hour ago, picklepizzas said:

i don't think its normal for 20-something women to only have friends/acquaintances from one of a couple of families.

Makes me wonder about (a) how much autonomy she really has online and (b) her comfort level about the "unknown."

These folks have not been allowed to explore the world, as far as we know, and her comfort zone might just be only "the known."

Or, JB is still paying the internet fee and calls the shots?!

[Bad Wolf]

You would think she had some fundie friends from Big Sandy or JTTH. I guess fundies have to be married to have their own accounts?

[nst]

6 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

You would think she had some fundie friends from Big Sandy or JTTH. I guess fundies have to be married to have their own accounts?

or for the show - she is friends with the tacos for life lady, the lady who shall not be named, and SIERRA 

 

[ksgranola1]

You know, I've been watching this show called Escaping Polygamy. It's about 3 sisters who escaped the FLDS & help others who want to get out. It's horrifying. And she just said, "They don't like us to leave the compound b/c we might meet someone on the outside who would give us ideas."

Who does that sound like?? Most of the FLDS kids *and there are dozens of them* are content there  b/c "THEY DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER!"  But the ones who want to leave have to "escape." The 3 sisters set up a rescue & go get her. The work w/the law to prevent prosecution. They can't take minors over state lines but they can take them to the airport. They rescued a 14 yo who wanted to commit suicide and police told her to take her to the juvenile registry w/DCS & then she could go home w/her 21 yo sister. But the father found her & took her back. She was sent to an "addition center" where she was brainwashed into believing the FLDS was the greatest thing ever.

I'm betting that if any of Dugg's tried to leave, JB wouldn't hesitate to throw "the shame Josh brought to the family" up in their face. Even tho he was Ashly Madison-ing right there in Duggarville. These cults are dangerous.

[Coconut Flan]

There is an entire thread devoted to that show here on Free Jinger.

[ksgranola1]

Where would I find it?

[Coconut Flan]

The search feature usually pulls up other shows quite well.  Plus we have a whole fundamentalist mormon category!  Since I'm waiting for the dog walker to return with Dawg, I'll go get it for you.

 

[refugee]

My kid actually picked up InTouch at the checkout because JB&M were larger than life on the cover. Screaming headlines:

Duggar Shocker
The Breakup
The Fight that Split the Family Apart
Who's moving out
The kids take sides
The ultimate betrayal & the wound that won't heal

Kid went so far as to look inside, and asked me to help find the info in the article. As far as I could tell with a fast scan, there was nothing about a breakup or splitting the family apart or the kids taking sides or someone moving out. Kid asked me what the "experts" at FJ are saying about all this.

I said I didn't know, having been sucked into the Naugler thread for the last couple of months.

Kid doesn't want to hear about the Nauglers. Go figure.

[BlessaYourHeart]

23 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

(Snip) You know, I've been watching this show called Escaping Polygamy. It's about 3 sisters who escaped the FLDS & help others who want to get out. It's horrifying. And she just said, "They don't like us to leave the compound b/c we might meet someone on the outside who would give us ideas."

 

Just to clarify the sisters in 'Escaping Polgamy' escaped the Kingston Clan also known as The Order (which is another extremist Mormon sect) not the FLDS. 

However on the show they help people escape both the Kingston Clan and the FLDS  

[ksgranola1]

Thank you for looking that up for me, Coconut. Aside from right here, I'm not that familiar w/all these other threads.

[Mr.Bowie]

I just wasted a whole Sunday morning down the Shrader rabbit hole.  I really need a shower now.

[47of74]

On 9/2/2016 at 5:33 PM, refugee said:

My kid actually picked up InTouch at the checkout because JB&M were larger than life on the cover. Screaming headlines:

Duggar Shocker
The Breakup
The Fight that Split the Family Apart
Who's moving out
The kids take sides
The ultimate betrayal & the wound that won't heal

Kid went so far as to look inside, and asked me to help find the info in the article. As far as I could tell with a fast scan, there was nothing about a breakup or splitting the family apart or the kids taking sides or someone moving out. Kid asked me what the "experts" at FJ are saying about all this.

I said I didn't know, having been sucked into the Naugler thread for the last couple of months.

Kid doesn't want to hear about the Nauglers. Go figure.

I did see this article this evening that commented on the divorce speculation;

morningledger.com/jim-bob-michelle-duggar-divorce-porn-addict-josh-duggar-molested-sisters/1399349/

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The rumors surrounding Jim Bob Michelle Duggar divorce seems to be intensifying day by day. The couple is reportedly fighting over their son, Josh Duggar, who was accused of being a child molester.

According to sources, Jim has decided to accept Josh and get him back into the family, but his wife Michelle is in no mood to forgive her son.

It is believed, Michelle could not stand the thought of letting Josh back into their home. This has led to ugly fights between the two, sparking Jim Bob Michelle Duggar divorce speculations.

Some sources claim, the couple is not separating. Of course, the Jim Bob Michelle Duggar divorce has been questionable because of the religion followed by the family.

It's one of those things that I'll believe it when I see it.

[Hera]

I'm sure this is mostly bullshit, but if there's even a tiny bit of truth to the idea that Michelle is resistant to forgetting Josh's cheating transgressions,* I do wonder if it's starting to occur to her on any level just how badly she's fucked over her daughters.

For all his many, many flaws, I do think that JB loves Michelle and actually values her opinion. If she didn't want this life, like really said "this has to stop", I think they'd have stopped.  That choice (manipulated though it may be/has been) is what makes it okay to her. 

But that is a luxury for women in this lifestyle and seeing how readily treating your wife poorly is excused, even by her husband, may finally be making her see what she's done. Uneducated, unskilled and brainwashed women are at the mercy of the men around them and when those men are "eh" about treating women badly, they're truly fucked.

My understanding is that Michelle was raised better than this, with a secular education, interests and lifestyle.  It'd be something if she finally, at this late date, remembered that and took some steps to fucking give her kids options. 

*It is exceedingly gross that cheating is what would put her over the edge when sibling molestation is okay, but entirely believable to me that something Michelle thinks/fears could happen to her is what gets her attention and opens her eyes. 

[Jana814]

When it comes to Michele I always wondered how her old friend that had been on the show several times felt about her new life. Did she try to stop her or something. 

[OrchidBlossom]

On 9/5/2016 at 11:09 PM, Hera said:

 

For all his many, many flaws, I do think that JB loves Michelle and actually values her opinion. If she didn't want this life, like really said "this has to stop", I think they'd have stopped.  That choice (manipulated though it may be/has been) is what makes it okay to her. 

I find this interesting because I have never felt that he really values her opinion. Loves her, in his own kind of egotistical way, maybe. But I've never felt like he values her opinion and I always felt like he sort of manipulated her in their relationship and into this lifestyle, like how super self conscious she is about her prior relationships and her eating disorder. She has struck me in the past as someone who has repressed her opinion and she generally seems to defer to JB.

Now some of that is, of course, that she is deep in a cult that taught her to defer to him. But I wonder if part of it is that she has just subconsciously learned that he isn't listening anyway. Just an impression though, I doubt we will ever know for sure... unless someone writes that tell all.

[calimojo]

I have always envisioned that Michelle was the one that drew them into the craziness first.  I feel like she is much more committed to the lifestyle and belief system than JB is.  I think she is sincere in her craziness, where as I feel JB is opportunistic.  He had a wife who was clearly distraught over miscarriage, and the religious stuff seemed to help.  Soon he probably figured out that he had a lot of benefits  in this lifestyle.   And as much as I hate to admit it,  I do think that JB and M worked hard in the early years.  And while I think JB lacks insight and wit,  I have to give him props for somehow making a living well enough to support the family and then to eventually grow a mini-empire.  I don't agree with it, over course, but no doubt he has had success, even if much of it is questionable and likely unethical. 

 

[SassyPants]

11 hours ago, calimojo said:

I have always envisioned that Michelle was the one that drew them into the craziness first.  I feel like she is much more committed to the lifestyle and belief system than JB is.  I think she is sincere in her craziness, where as I feel JB is opportunistic.  He had a wife who was clearly distraught over miscarriage, and the religious stuff seemed to help.  Soon he probably figured out that he had a lot of benefits  in this lifestyle.   And as much as I hate to admit it,  I do think that JB and M worked hard in the early years.  And while I think JB lacks insight and wit,  I have to give him props for somehow making a living well enough to support the family and then to eventually grow a mini-empire.  I don't agree with it, over course, but no doubt he has had success, even if much of it is questionable and likely unethical. 

 

And this right here is the primary reason that I cannot stand JB and Michelle. JB/M have to know that they have not properly prepared their own 19 children for the hard realities of life in the real world. NONE of their adult children has transitioned to independent, self (or family) supporting lives. We have heard that JD works beyond the show, but no one else does. None of the married families are self supporting. However tenacious, motivated and driven that JB and M were in the early years, and I agree, they seemed to be, this seems to have alluded their children, and IMO, it's by the design and implementation of the parents. JB and M have to know that in the end, Jesus references will not fully support this family into the next generation.

Independent living= working, living, feeding, clothing, housing, educating (ha ha), meeting all needs via one's  own self-

[OrchidBlossom]

23 hours ago, calimojo said:

I have always envisioned that Michelle was the one that drew them into the craziness first.  I feel like she is much more committed to the lifestyle and belief system than JB is.  I think she is sincere in her craziness, where as I feel JB is opportunistic.  He had a wife who was clearly distraught over miscarriage, and the religious stuff seemed to help.  Soon he probably figured out that he had a lot of benefits  in this lifestyle.   And as much as I hate to admit it,  I do think that JB and M worked hard in the early years.  And while I think JB lacks insight and wit,  I have to give him props for somehow making a living well enough to support the family and then to eventually grow a mini-empire.  I don't agree with it, over course, but no doubt he has had success, even if much of it is questionable and likely unethical. 

 

Depending on how you define "support", I mean they faced some pretty lean times. They shoved like 15 kids into two bedrooms. That's more a snark on their reproduction than their early work ethic though.

We will have to agree to disagree on who drove the family to fundie-ism though. I've just never seen anything in Michelle that seems like a mover and shaker. She's a follower through and through, and if she hadn't abused her kids so badly I would feel badly for her. I think she just clings to whatever the people around her want out of her due to insecurity. We certainly agree JB is opportunistic though!

[justwatching]

On ‎9‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 5:33 PM, refugee said:

My kid actually picked up InTouch at the checkout because JB&M were larger than life on the cover. Screaming headlines:

Duggar Shocker
The Breakup
The Fight that Split the Family Apart
Who's moving out
The kids take sides
The ultimate betrayal & the wound that won't heal

Kid went so far as to look inside, and asked me to help find the info in the article. As far as I could tell with a fast scan, there was nothing about a breakup or splitting the family apart or the kids taking sides or someone moving out. Kid asked me what the "experts" at FJ are saying about all this.

I said I didn't know, having been sucked into the Naugler thread for the last couple of months.

Kid doesn't want to hear about the Nauglers. Go figure.

I saw this is the store last night too, and was just coming here to see if there was any discussion.  I didn't have time to look for the article as there was someone in line behind me.

[calimojo]

23 hours ago, OrchidBlossom said:

Depending on how you define "support", I mean they faced some pretty lean times. They shoved like 15 kids into two bedrooms. That's more a snark on their reproduction than their early work ethic though.

We will have to agree to disagree on who drove the family to fundie-ism though. I've just never seen anything in Michelle that seems like a mover and shaker. She's a follower through and through, and if she hadn't abused her kids so badly I would feel badly for her. I think she just clings to whatever the people around her want out of her due to insecurity. We certainly agree JB is opportunistic though!

I don't necessarily disagree with you,  just that my impression from the very beginning was that it was Michelle that first started getting into the Gothard stuff.  Or at least quiverfull stuff.  I always feel like she seems more sincere in her whacky beliefs than JB does.  To me JB always seems to be acting a role (poorly).  I think they got involved in Gothard and started making a name for themselves.  JB was a dweeb his whole life and suddenly he was somebody.  He has gained a lot by spouting off the religion.  But I think Michelle really believes it.  And I think it is her ardent belief in all of that has allowed her to turn a blind eye to how cruel the child rearing practices are.  I don't think she is an inherently mean or violent person, but I think she genuinely believes that it is her duty to raise her kids by the rod in order to make them obedient and godly.