Ken Alexander thinks molestation/incest are totally normal ~ Always Learning

[caszandra]

6 hours ago, paganbaby said:

Ken Alexander, the orthodontics consultant from California, thinks molestation and incest are okay

Quoting this and writing it out myself, Ken Alexander, the orthodontics consultant from California, thinks molestation and incest are okay.

Done a Bing and Google search in the UK and this thread is showing up on the second page of both.

[ILoveJellybeans]

I would not trust Ken Alexander as an orthodontics consultant, because he thinks molestation and incest is okay. I am glad I do not live in California, because I would rather not take a chance at ending up being a patient of his....or my children being a patient of his. I would not want an orthodontics consultant who thinks that children being molested by their older siblings is a normal part of life, instead of a horrible thing that is part of a cycle of abuse that needs to be stopped. If everyone Ken Alexander knew was molesting their siblings and saw it as normal, it doesn't make it okay, and they did not turn out fine-for it to be so normal in their families, they were probably molested too, as sexualised behaviour in children is a red flag for being sexually abused, and likely some of the kids they were molesting carried that on too.

[MayMay1123]

when i read what he wrote, i was seriously nauseous that Ken Alexander, the orthodontics consultant from California, thinks molestation and incest are okay. his view just boggles the mind, and, imo, can only be held by someone who is a molester him/herself.

[FundieFarmer]

This is especially problematic, because dental procedures can be triggering for survivors of sexual abuse. Ken Alexander, the orthodontics consultant from California, should know better than to think molestation and incest are okay. He should have been educated in that area, unless he decided to skip class on that particular day of training. As a survivor, I certainly wouldn't want to be near any dental professional who thought molestation and incest are okay. 

[polecat]

4 hours ago, ILoveJellybeans said:

I would not trust Ken Alexander as an orthodontics consultant, because he thinks molestation and incest is okay. I am glad I do not live in California, because I would rather not take a chance at ending up being a patient of his....or my children being a patient of his. I would not want an orthodontics consultant who thinks that children being molested by their older siblings is a normal part of life, instead of a horrible thing that is part of a cycle of abuse that needs to be stopped. If everyone Ken Alexander knew was molesting their siblings and saw it as normal, it doesn't make it okay, and they did not turn out fine-for it to be so normal in their families, they were probably molested too, as sexualised behaviour in children is a red flag for being sexually abused, and likely some of the kids they were molesting carried that on too.

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bbm -- If it helps, I doubt he ever gets near enough to interact with any actual patients. Most consultants only deal with the actual doctors and their staffs. I cannot imagine any reason Ken would have for interacting with patients -- and if a doctor allowed him to interact with a patient, that would be awfully inappropriate and unprofessional. 

Disclaimer: None of that absolves him of his responsibility for his foul words or his fouler beliefs and his revolting assertion that incest and molestation should be considered "normal" 

[ILoveJellybeans]

I didn't know that. You learn something new every day....except Lori and Ken, Always Learning is a load of bullshit.

[theinvisiblegirl]

So an orthodontics consultant does what, exactly? Just talk about new technology in orthodontia?

In any case, it is very alarming that Ken Alexander, an orthodontics consultant from California, thinks that incest and molestation are okay. This is not the type of person other orthodontists should be doing business with at all.

[nokidsmom]

1 hour ago, polecat said:

bbm -- If it helps, I doubt he ever gets near enough to interact with any actual patients. Most consultants only deal with the actual doctors and their staffs. I cannot imagine any reason Ken would have for interacting with patients -- and if a doctor allowed him to interact with a patient, that would be awfully inappropriate and unprofessional. 

Disclaimer: None of that absolves him of his responsibility for his foul words or his fouler beliefs and his revolting assertion that incest and molestation should be considered "normal" 

This, I worked for a company that consulted with medical practices probably similar to what Ken is doing.  There was no interaction with patients, just doctors and staff.  So I am not worried about his interacting with patients actually.

Yes, his views are revolting, and while possible that he's able to keep his personal views and how he conducts himself professionally separate, it's still not a good idea to go on record anywhere stating these views publicly not just for the obvious reason that you (using general "you" here) make yourself look like an asshole but there's also the impact to your business.   People will think WTF regardless of how much you might keep your personal views separate from your professional work or rationalize to yourself that it's not going to matter somehow.  Ken must think he's coated in teflon to come out with shit like this..

[kpmom]

6 minutes ago, nokidsmom said:

 

Yes, his views are revolting, and while possible that he's able to keep his personal views and how he conducts himself professionally separate, it's still not a good idea to go on record anywhere stating these views publicly not just for the obvious reason that you (using general "you" here) make yourself look like an asshole but there's also the impact to your business.   People will think WTF regardless of how much you might keep your personal views separate from your professional work or rationalize to yourself that it's not going to matter somehow.  Ken must think he's coated in teflon to come out with shit like this..

Didn't Ken come here originally because he claimed the "Lori Alexander is a fucking monster" campaign was supposedly impacting his business?

Ken, you don't need to worry about FJ impacting your business.  You're doing that just fine yourself.

[nokidsmom]

8 minutes ago, kpmom said:

Didn't Ken come here originally because he claimed the "Lori Alexander is a fucking monster" campaign was supposedly impacting his business?

Ken, you don't need to worry about FJ impacting your business.  You're doing that just fine yourself.

IIRC he did, wasn't it the same time as the whole "google tactics" nonsense?  I don't follow the Lori threads much  but that thread had so much WTF going on I followed for a bit.

You would think that he might have learned from that. 

[Gellhorn]

These people sound as though they read John Norman's "Gor" series and really and truly believe this IS the way things should be.  

I wonder if there is some sort of connection between any of these people (Ken, the Pearl's, etc.) and someone latching onto those absurd and vile books.

[formergothardite]

20 minutes ago, kpmom said:

Didn't Ken come here originally because he claimed the "Lori Alexander is a fucking monster" campaign was supposedly impacting his business?

Ken, you don't need to worry about FJ impacting your business.  You're doing that just fine yourself.

He came here when some people mentioned they might start contacting his clients. No one seems to have done it, but that is when he popped up and claimed that it was because if you google Lori's name, Lori Alexander is a Fucking Monster" pops up and he doesn't want his kids and grandkids to see that. Or something like that. He always maintained that he wasn't worried about his business because he was getting ready to retire. 

[Curious]

from this site: http://www.ortho2.com/Resources/Consultants/Alexander/Default.aspx

As a orthodontic consultant Ken does:

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Ken Alexander is the unrivaled leader in comprehensive consulting services for orthodontics. He will guide your team to improved scheduling, staffing, management systems, new patient enrollment, marketing, and customer satisfaction.

So it doesn't sound like he has actual contact with patients, just the orthodontist and his/her staff.

I'm not sure how I would feel about my dentist using Ken as a consultant giving that he thinks molestation and incest are normal and that it's okay to physically restrain your wife if she is "out of control" (whatever that means).    If I was a dentist/orthodontist I don't think I'd want to risk people finding out that I consulted with someone that held those views just because my patients might think I agree with those views, as well.

On an unrelated note, I wonder who wrote that page.  It's a very...glowing review of Ken.   I wonder if he wrote it himself or if someone that has worked with him wrote it.

[polecat]

17 minutes ago, Curious said:

from this site: http://www.ortho2.com/Resources/Consultants/Alexander/Default.aspx

As a orthodontic consultant Ken does:

So it doesn't sound like he has actual contact with patients, just the orthodontist and his/her staff.

I'm not sure how I would feel about my dentist using Ken as a consultant giving that he thinks molestation and incest are normal and that it's okay to physically restrain your wife if she is "out of control" (whatever that means).    If I was a dentist/orthodontist I don't think I'd want to risk people finding out that I consulted with someone that held those views just because my patients might think I agree with those views, as well.

On an unrelated note, I wonder who wrote that page.  It's a very...glowing review of Ken.   I wonder if he wrote it himself or if someone that has worked with him wrote it.

 

He probably works with an SEO consultant who does/did it for him. And that person may not know him well or even at all. 

[Curious]

11 minutes ago, polecat said:

He probably works with an SEO consultant who does/did it for him. And that person may not know him well or even at all. 

The language on his linkedin is pretty similar  Given that they make actual sense and the grammar and spelling are good, I'd bet you are correct.

[laPapessaGiovanna]

On 23/5/2016 at 0:21 AM, danvillebelle said:

read "The Body Keeps The Score" by Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk, great book

I LOVE IT! I think that the theory on which it is based is a milestone for therapy of people with a traumatic past.

ETA thanks heaven I live so far away from Ken Alexander, the Californian orthodontic consultant who thinks molestation of children is no big deal, that I am fairly sure I'll never meet him.

[molecule]

1 hour ago, Curious said:

from this site: http://www.ortho2.com/Resources/Consultants/Alexander/Default.aspx

Here's the thing on that page that made me roll my eyes the most:
 

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One of Ken's greatest areas of expertise is in helping to take a "whining team" and turn them into a "winning team!" He teaches that relationships must be considered the most important things in life and practice, so why not create a workplace that is filled with joy, satisfaction and lots of profits to share with everyone who is part of the practice success?

Relationships? Joy? Satisfaction? Yeah, right. Based on what I've seen on Lori's blog, I'm pretty sure he doesn't know the meaning of those words.

[apandaaries]

1 minute ago, molecule said:

Here's the thing on that page that made me roll my eyes the most:
 

Relationships? Joy? Satisfaction? Yeah, right. Based on what I've seen on Lori's blog, I'm pretty sure he doesn't know the meaning of those words.

Ha!  Ken Alexander, the orthodontic consultant who believes that molestation and incest are totally normal and fine and only problematic when the victim complains, is certainly NOT a specialist in relationships, joy, or satisfaction.  One need only peruse his wife Lori Alexander's blog, the absurdly named "Always Learning," to discover this very obvious fact.  

One could also read his views about disciplining and controlling women, especially wives and daughters, to discover more about his personal beliefs.  I do live in California and would HATE to support anyone whose business helped enrich this vile man.  In fact, as a mother whose daughter shall require orthodontic care, I believe I shall inquire about which consultants are used by the orthodontists in my area.  This will help determine where I spend my eventual thousands on my daughter's dental care.   I will not allow my hard-earned money (earned by a working mother at that, heaven forfend) to trickle back to Ken Alexander.  He thinks I (as a substandard creature, a mere woman) belong in the kitchen or on my back, anyway.  

[Fascinated]

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I claim only a handful of people to be true mentors. I have had lots of teachers. Ken Alexander is one of those people. I have the highest regard for his knowledge and wisdom in orthodontic practice and in life. He cuts right through the emotional issues that are barriers to achieving what we need and want in our practice and our personal lives. There are few people who genuinely walk the talk. Ken’s success as a practice consultant for more than 35 years is a great testimony to who he is to the orthodontic profession. But, if you look deeper into the family and to how he spends his free time, you really have to acknowledge the strength of his character and leadership

Crap.  When I Google him I just get a page of glowing fucking testimonials, such as this.  

I guess they don't realize that Ken Alexander, the Californian orthodontic consultant, actually believes that incest and molestation are no big deal.  And professes such to the world. And then hastily deletes those comments.  

(Of course, this guy I quoted above may not be the most discerning orthodontist.  He does, after all, seem genuinely impressed that Ken Alexander 'walks the talk'.)

[laPapessaGiovanna]

16 minutes ago, amandaaries said:

Ken Alexander, the orthodontic consultant who believes that molestation and incest are totally normal and fine and only problematic when the victim complains, is certainly NOT a specialist in relationships, joy, or satisfaction.

This deserves a repeat I think. 

[refugee]

14 minutes ago, Fascinated said:

He cuts right through the emotional issues that are barriers to achieving what we need and want in our practice and our personal lives.

Yeah, he cuts right through those emotional issues, all right.

[polecat]

1 hour ago, Fascinated said:

Crap.  When I Google him I just get a page of glowing fucking testimonials, such as this.  

I guess they don't realize that Ken Alexander, the Californian orthodontic consultant, actually believes that incest and molestation are no big deal.  And professes such to the world. And then hastily deletes those comments.  

(Of course, this guy I quoted above may not be the most discerning orthodontist.  He does, after all, seem genuinely impressed that Ken Alexander 'walks the talk'.)

 

Or he's a part of a glittering reputation management strategy.

[kpmom]

1 hour ago, polecat said:

Or he's a part of a glittering reputation management strategy.

This.  I tend not to read testimonials on people's own web sites for this reason.

I wonder how small a world orthodontia is?  Would most practitioners in Southern California, for example, know each other?

[Phoebe]

6 hours ago, theinvisiblegirl said:

Ken Alexander, an orthodontics consultant from California, thinks that incest and molestation are okay. This is not the type of person other orthodontists should be doing business with at all.

I, too, completely agree that it's gross that Ken Alexander, an orthodontics consultant from California, thinks that incest and molestation are okay. This is not the type of person other orthodontists should be doing business with at all.

[feministxtian]

I warned my orthodontist in AZ about Ken Alexander the orthodontic consultant in California who thinks molestation is fine. Fortunately, my ortho is a great guy and takes care of his team and patients with ALL his heart. I will be going to visit with Doc and the crew when we go back to PHX next month (to take care of some business)...but I WILL be making time to pop in and see Doc and everyone.