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Christian Group Admits To Sending Men Into Women’s Bathrooms To Scare You Into Hating Trans People


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stupidity has no bounds in Jesus name.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/05/02/christian-group-admits-to-sending-men-into-womens-bathrooms-to-scare-you-into-hating-trans-people/

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“I think there’s no question that when you say that there are no barriers in the bathroom,” Rios said, “and that if men or women feel like they are men or women, the opposition of however they are equipped, and you have no restrictions, the net effect will be that people will not be stopped. We’ve already had people testing this, going into Targets and men trying to go into bathrooms. There is absolutely no barrier.”

“And so the chief concern,” she continued, “even more than just, I think, trauma, certainly for little girls of having men dressed like women coming in their bathrooms, the chief concern of the American Family Association is the predators who will take advantage.”

 

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These idiots act like trans people just suddenly appeared out of nowhere this year.  Guess what bigots.  Trans people have been around forever and have been using the public restrooms of their preferred gender since public bathrooms have existed.  Why is this suddenly an issue now?  Perhaps because you lost the gay marriage fight and are now looking for someone new to persecute.

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4 minutes ago, Childless said:

These idiots act like trans people just suddenly appeared out of nowhere this year.  Guess what bigots.  Trans people have been around forever and have been using the public restrooms of their preferred gender since public bathrooms have existed.  Why is this suddenly an issue now?  Perhaps because you lost the gay marriage fight and are now looking for someone new to persecute.

That's the theory I'm subscribing to. Once it became clear their fight against equal marriage was lost, the rhetoric very quickly turned towards trans people.

What surprises me the most about the anti-trans arguments I'm seeing on Facebook and stuff is that many people seem to believe trans people are only male-to-female (hence the imaginary threat) and always identifiable by appearance. I'm sure many opponents of trans people using the bathroom of their choice would be shocked to learn they've probably shared a bathroom with numerous trans people over the years. And that they didn't know because everyone was just behaving rationally: using the bathroom, minding their own business and not scrutinizing the chromosomes and/or genitals of strangers.

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I share a bathroom with 2 trans people (my roommates.)  The only problem I have is that I think my standards of cleanliness are higher.  I do not worry about my privacy because we have this handy invention called a door which - oh my gosh! - they also have on bathroom stalls.  

Seriously, why are they so scared?  My mind just boggles.

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If I didn't know Caitlyn Jenner used to be Bruce Jenner, I wouldn't think twice if I saw her in a restroom.  It wouldn't occur to me that she was trans.  I usually just do my business and leave.  I have better things to do than hang out in restrooms playing gender guessing games.

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These geniuses do know that this stunt makes conservative Christians, not trans people, look like pervs, right?

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I honestly wonder if some of these men realize that women's bathrooms have stalls and we womenfolks don't just whip it out and piss in a trough (like apparently some stadium urinals are-- not that I would know).

As a straight cis woman, the only thing I care about in a public bathroom is cleanliness.  If I had the choice of a transwoman early in transition (aka still with masculine features) peeing in the next stall or a toilet where the last person hovered and missed (and didn't clean up), I'll take the transwoman.  

I'll even take a cis male peeing next to me over someone who hovers and doesn't wipe the seat.

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Honestly, a group of Christian men going into random bathrooms to make a point scares me way more than a trans person, and to be really honest, more than a cis male with no religion.  The obsession over purity and modest within Christian circles makes the men in those circles so much creepier IMHO.  

*edited to add that I am not worried in the slightest about trans women/men using the same washroom I do.  

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13 minutes ago, treehugger said:

Honestly, a group of Christian men going into random bathrooms to make a point scares me way more than a trans person, and to be really honest, more than a cis male with no religion.  The obsession over purity and modest within Christian circles makes the men in those circles so much creepier IMHO.  

*edited to add that I am not worried in the slightest about trans women/men using the same washroom I do.  

This.  Honestly some of these men see religion as a coverup for them being a perv and impose strict modesty standards on women because of them being perverts.  Think Jim Bob/Josh Duggar, Bill Gothard, etc.  And how many conservative Christian leaders or politicians have been caught with their pants down?

I'd be more creeped out to see them at Target near the bathrooms (at my Target, the two bathroom doors are right next to each other) trying to police use (you know they would) than Caitlyn Jenner in the next stall.

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I believe this is called an 'own goal'.

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1 hour ago, December said:

 Once it became clear their fight against equal marriage was lost, the rhetoric very quickly turned towards trans people.

What surprises me the most about the anti-trans arguments I'm seeing on Facebook and stuff is that many people seem to believe trans people are only male-to-female (hence the imaginary threat) and always identifiable by appearance. I'm sure many opponents of trans people using the bathroom of their choice would be shocked to learn they've probably shared a bathroom with numerous trans people over the years. And that they didn't know because everyone was just behaving rationally: using the bathroom, minding their own business and not scrutinizing the chromosomes and/or genitals of strangers.

That, and the fact that they assume transwomen stand up to pee and don't aim! No, bitchezz, if the seat is wet, Occam's Razor says it's a germophobic cisgender women who left that mess, not a transgender woman, because they sit down to pee like the women they are. (Although, TBH, if I were trans but still had my dangly bits, I'd be mighty tempted to use that gift when I'm out hiking!)

It's like they think that transgender is something new, when in fact they've been sharing public restrooms with transgender people all their lives. They just didn't think about it until the right wing started stirring up shit.

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Gosh, the number of times I've thought "hey, is that reallllllly a woman in the stall next to me? My rights! I must seize them! Let me look over the wall separating us and make sure only a woman is peeing in peace and quiet in the enclosed stall next to me!"?

Zero times. When shall I start ensuring my rights! Never, that's not my right. In fact, I'd be the screaming asshole violating another person's right to use the bathroom in peace.

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Well, still better than the time a Christian man was sent into a hospital women's restroom to do a heinously inappropriate gender reveal.

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They're having people fake being trans to go on washroom infiltration missions?

...So apparently they missed "Thou shalt not lie" while they were busy cherrypicking verses to condemn people based on their sexual orientation?

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If the problem is so very real and so very imminent, why are they manufacturing outrage by intentionally going into women's restrooms? 

Trans* people aren't the problem. If we were, this would have been happening for as long as we've existed (much, much longer than this outrage over where we use the toilet, in other words). The problem of people being assaulted in restrooms IS real and SHOULD be addressed; coming after the trans* community isn't helping that one bit. 

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What freaks me out the most, is the premise of people being THAT looky-looky, in a public restroom. I do nothing more than a cursory glance at the people in there, because I am too busy looking for a reasonably clean and available stall (it astounds me how many women refuse to flush in public restrooms). 

Yeah I would probably be all "WTF" of I saw a guy in the women's restroom trans or cis. The thing is is that if I use a public restroom, that means I REALLY have to go, so I'm going to pee regardless of who is in there. I might even do one of those embarrassing pre-pee farts, that only seem to happen, when I use a public restroom. 

I have even used my fair share of men's rooms in my lifetime, when I was about to explode and the line was too long for the women's. It seemed to be infinitely more awkward for the guys in there, than it was for me, if they noticed I was in there. They would move in so close to the urinal, that they probably peed all over themselves.

 

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10 hours ago, Georgiana said:

Well, still better than the time a Christian man was sent into a hospital women's restroom to do a heinously inappropriate gender reveal.

:pb_lol::pb_lol:

Quick! Somebody go tell Jill Rodrigues that the transwoman whose presence in a restaurant's restroom had scandalised Jill to the point of flagging down a police car might, in fact, have been a Christian Gawdly man fighting "sin"...I bet everything would be fine then, wouldn't it? :doh:

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I would feel safer if public restroom stalls didn't have gaps at the bottom and top. By that I mean safe in general. I really don't care who is in the next stall.

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32 minutes ago, RosyDaisy said:

I would feel safer if public restroom stalls didn't have gaps at the bottom and top. By that I mean safe in general. I really don't care who is in the next stall.

I can sort of see the gaps at the bottom.  I check for feet to see if it is occupied, but they can lower them a good six inches or so.  Maybe the gaps of the top are there for ventilation, but raise them 6 inches.

As for women not flushing-- the janitor at my old job (big box store) told me that the women's room was about 10 times more disgusting than the men's room (I take his word since his job included cleaning the bathrooms).  

(ventilation is another complaint--- nothing is worse than when the smell of shit is masked by a fake floral scent.  I wish public bathrooms were required to have a window to the outside world that is openable.

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2 hours ago, RosyDaisy said:

I would feel safer if public restroom stalls didn't have gaps at the bottom and top. By that I mean safe in general. I really don't care who is in the next stall.

So funny story about that.  One of the reasons they have those gaps is so people don't become trapped in the stall if the hardware malfunctions.  Like the back knob falls off and the stall is stuck shut, or it just sticks, or whatever.  Since most public restrooms are not checked frequently and some may not be high traffic, this could result in someone being stuck for hours.  Not something most establishments want to take on.  

What happens when those aren't there?  This: http://www.japersrink.com/2013/10/5/4805830/operation-save-wardo-the-thrilling-rescue-of-joel-ward

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17 hours ago, doggie said:
 
 
 

This does not in the least surprise me. A friend of a friend on FB was saying something about bringing her (armed!!!!) husband into the bathroom with her. WTF is wrong with people?

 

 

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1 hour ago, polecat said:

This does not in the least surprise me. A friend of a friend on FB was saying something about bringing her (armed!!!!) husband into the bathroom with her. WTF is wrong with people?

 

 

Frankly, if I saw any armed person in a public convenience, I personally wouldn't need a lavatory any longer. I'd soil myself right there and then! Living in a country where not even the police routinely carry arms, I'd just freak out. A trans woman in the ladies? No cause for concern whatsoever.

 

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5 hours ago, Ex-Creationist said:

If the problem is so very real and so very imminent, why are they manufacturing outrage by intentionally going into women's restrooms? 

Trans* people aren't the problem. If we were, this would have been happening for as long as we've existed (much, much longer than this outrage over where we use the toilet, in other words). The problem of people being assaulted in restrooms IS real and SHOULD be addressed; coming after the trans* community isn't helping that one bit. 

Right? I'd be willing to bet there is a HUGE amount of overlap between the people (especially men) who are up in arms in favor of Bathroom Bills, and people who are rape apologists. Sexual assaults are some of the most underreported and underprosecuted crimes in existence, and that has nothing to do with trans people. In fact, they are more likely to be victims of assaults than perpetrators. And if someone wanted to attack a vulnerable person in a public restroom, why would they bother to pretend to be trans? They'd just walk in, like they always have. 

1 hour ago, polecat said:

This does not in the least surprise me. A friend of a friend on FB was saying something about bringing her (armed!!!!) husband into the bathroom with her. WTF is wrong with people?

I've seen several people comment similarly. Angry, armed men with an ax to grind are terrifying, trans people are not.

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This is so totally what Jesus would do isn't it?

Hey, he already has the long hair.  He could totally pass!

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8 hours ago, upkacrane said:

:pb_lol::pb_lol:

Quick! Somebody go tell Jill Rodrigues that the transwoman whose presence in a restaurant's restroom had scandalised Jill to the point of flagging down a police car might, in fact, have been a Christian Gawdly man fighting "sin"...I bet everything would be fine then, wouldn't it? :doh:

DOUBLE-DOG DARE YOU!!!!!:laughing-rofl:

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