More Joshley: Still hiding - Part 16

[infooverload]

So anyone else think the next scandal will be a financial one? I thought I read he also runs a credit card payment processing business. Then again I could be confusing him with another person.

[EmCatlyn]

7 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

New statement from the official Duggar something or other

Why now?  Why at all?  What are they up to?

Whatever they are "up to," (redemption tour, pregnancy announcement, People cover, grand opening of Josh Duggar Motors, all of the above) I am guessing that the specific timing of this message to their well-wishers may be connected to the fact that Joshgate 1 broke roughly a week ago last year.  Focusing on the infidelity treatment now is a way to shift attention away from the molestation scandal and to Josh's more recent and redemable sin.

[theinvisiblegirl]

55 minutes ago, infooverload said:

So anyone else think the next scandal will be a financial one? I thought I read he also runs a credit card payment processing business. Then again I could be confusing him with another person.

You're not confusing him. He does own that type of business. Jim Bob does as well, apparently. They both started different businesses after the first scandal hit. I don't know what they do with it, or if they're active businesses. I could see that being the next scandal. I don't think Ashley Madison was the last scandal we're going to see involving the Duggars. I recall when Jill and Jessa were interviewed by Megyn Kelly after Joshgate 1, when she asked them jokingly if this was it, if the cover up was the only skeleton in their closet. It wasn't. With people like the Duggars, there has to be more.

[MarblesMom]

Perhaps Joshley should post something akin to this, although the sexual Hokey Pokey might be a lil different:

[JenniferJuniper]

17 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

 I am guessing that the specific timing of this message to their well-wishers may be connected to the fact that Joshgate 1 broke roughly a week ago last year.  Focusing on the infidelity treatment now is a way to shift attention away from the molestation scandal and to Josh's more recent and redemable sin.

You and I may see the marital cheating as the "lesser" of the sins, but all indications are the Duggars see things the other way around.  

It could be that they'd fully processed and moved on from Josh's decade old assaults on little girls and were genuinely taken aback by his treatment of his wife and consequently his children.   But there is so much we don't know about these freaks and with them it's impossible to tell reality from the reality show.    My own guess is that no one was deep-down shocked over his more recent behavior; they were just really angry that his stupid indiscretions ruined a good thing for them.  Even a casual observer watching him on Instagram in his early days of freedom could see he was a lazy, self-important, self-absorbed asshole who was far more interested in having a good time all the time than he was in building a career or supporting his new family.

Either way it's not an anniversary I'd want to remind anyone of if'n I was Jim Boob, unless of course it's just the very beginning of the Josh Redemption Story that we're bound to be hit with sooner or later.

 

[RosyDaisy]

Well a 6th victim has come forward, so there's that. My guess is there are more scandals to come with financial ones not being as bad.

[ksgranola1]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/anna-and-josh-duggar-reveal-theyre-in-marriage-counseling/ar-BBtA7EI?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Counseling-professional-at last

[LurkerOverThePond]

From the newest statement:

"It isn’t easy and some days are very difficult. It is a long road to rebuild trust and a truly healthy relationship."

Interesting wording. While I'm sure it is difficult as hell or maybe impossible to ever rebuild trust I'm quite surprised J&A (or probably their ghost writer) are so frank in saying that. "Some days are very difficult"... hmmm... me thinks everything has not been such happy happy joy joy that Anna had hoped for after Joshley returned home. 

About their professional counseling... I'm sure it's not what we think of (an actual real counselor who went to real school and got a real licence) but some witch doctor from their church or whatever that warehouse is called. I'm imagining something like the "marriage counseling" DPIAT & Be-All gave Jen Epstein and her violent husband... 

edit. JB would never allow them to see a real secular counselor because he/she would probably dig it all to the roots and make them question their upbringing and whole life so far. Sadly, that is exactly what Joshley would need to realize why he behaves the way he does and to really change his ways (if that is what he truly wants and not just a quick fake "recovery").

[Bad Wolf]

Building trust and a healthy relationship? Fundies don't have healthy relationships. They are male headships. So, all will be well when Anna accepts Josh as her lord and master once again, and is brainwashed into thinking he can do no wrong? That counsellor has their work cut out for them.

[Jinder Roles]

10 hours ago, RosyDaisy said:

Well a 6th victim has come forward, so there's that. My guess is there are more scandals to come with financial ones not being as bad.

Hold up...a 6th victim? When did that happen?

[Mela99]

6 hours ago, ksgranola1 said:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/anna-and-josh-duggar-reveal-theyre-in-marriage-counseling/ar-BBtA7EI?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Counseling-professional-at last

I don't believe it. Not for a second. It's a minister of some sort who only focuses on scripture and teaching Anna to be a better wife because it's all her fault.

[infooverload]

Interesting the name of the counseling service isn't mentioned. What I would have liked for a producer of the show to have asked "Can the two of you explain how your marriage isn't an attempt to make your marriage a carbon copy of Josh 's parents? What decisions have you made as a couple without having to get input from each set of parents?" Would have been interesting to see them attempt to answer the question. I do think one reason Josh was excited to move to Washington DC was to get some breathing room from his family.

[kjmackin]

I actually been out car shopping in Duggar land and if it wasn't for the photo of the sububvan I might have actually called on one or two and of the cars they have sell.

[AlwaysExcited]

2 hours ago, Jinder Roles said:

Hold up...a 6th victim? When did that happen?

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/04/josh-duggar-new-molestation-victim-to-come-forward/

Keep in mind, that's tabloid.

[EmCatlyn]

14 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

You and I may see the marital cheating as the "lesser" of the sins, but all indications are the Duggars see things the other way around.  

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Either way it's not an anniversary I'd want to remind anyone of if'n I was Jim Boob, unless of course it's just the very beginning of the Josh Redemption Story that we're bound to be hit with sooner or later.

 

I don't think they wanted to remind people of the anniversary. I think that they posted the "he is working on his problems with Anna" announcement to keep the focus on the "healing" instead of a possible rehashing of the molestation scandal.  I agree that to them the molestation is a non-issue except insofar as it anticipated later sexual sins.   However, if, as we suspect, they had guidance in wording and posting this announcement, whoever is advising them may be well aware that the infidelity scandal can be used to shift attention away from the earlier (to most of us more serious) offenses.

We noticed during the "Counting On" specials that the emphasis was on the pain that the infidelity has caused the family and that Josh's "adolescent bad choices" were greatly underplayed to the point that they either stated or at least implied that they lost the 19K show because of the infidelity scandal.

So yeah, they don't want to remind people of the molestations, and talking about his work on saving the marriage is one way to shift attention away from the scandal that came out a year ago.

I agree also that this is the beginning of "the redemption of Josh."  We begin with the hard working man fixing and selling cars to make a living and move on to the repentant man, working to fix his marriage, and eventually he will be presented as a born again good guy and motivational speaker of some sort.

[ljohnson2006]

If Smugs and Anna are in legit marriage counseling, (Which I don't believe). It's probably J'Chelle and Boob telling Anna that she'd go to Hell if she left Smugs. Come on, people. These idiots don't believe in marriage counseling.

[theinvisiblegirl]

I had no idea it had already been a year since Joshgate 1!

[sophie10130]

put me in the camp that they're releasing this in time for a pregnancy announcement.

i hate to say that so much, but these people don't do anything publicly without a reason. why didn't they release this statement when the first photo of him came out? or during Easter and the whole "redeeming" symbolism of the holiday? or when he first got out?

either they are trying to conceive, or it's already in the works.

ugh i need a beer. 

edited to say: i don't WANT this to be the case. i want it to be the very last thing on their minds right now. they have a marriage and four other kids that they need to take care of. Josh has barely seen his youngest, and I don't think they should be trying to conceive right now. I just think the timing is a little shady.

[SilverBeach]

On 5/24/2016 at 11:32 PM, 47of74 said:

The next morning before we left for the funeral Mass we gathered in the other viewing room at the funeral home and took a bunch of group photos since it was probably one of the few times all of us were in the same place.  Nieces and nephews, siblings, in laws, etc.  (She and my uncle had no children of their own).  The funeral home that my uncle used for my aunt's services is an old 19th century mansion so it made for a nice setting for group photos.

I have photos of my paternal grandparents and my aunt in their caskets.  My mom also had photos of her mother in her casket.  No pictures of people posing by the casket.  I guess I wanted the pictures as it was the last time I would ever see them in this life.  

I agree that funerals can be like sad family reunions. Some family members you only see at funerals.

Nonetheless, no funeral family photos for me. I do not sit up front and walk around for the viewing. I prefer to remember my loved ones as their animated selves. So, no casket photos for me either. I know family practices vary, but I find picture taking at funerals morbid and depressing. But for those who receive comfort from it, more power to you. Grieving is one of the hardest tasks we face as the left behind ones, so do whatever it takes to cope.

I prefer brief memorial services, no casket, just a nice photo of the deceased. Remarks are poignant  and yes, often humorous. No graveside service, I cannot tolerate those. Cremation is good, in my opinion.

I used to accept standard funeral practices (for my family and culture) as the only way to do things. Then,  I realized that it's all optional and I don't have to exacerbate my grief by doing things I don't  want to do. 

[47of74]

18 minutes ago, SilverBeach said:

I agree that funerals can be like sad family reunions. Some family members you only see at funerals.

Nonetheless, no funeral family photos for me. I do not sit up front and walk around for the viewing. I prefer to remember my loved ones as their animated selves. So, no casket photos for me either. I know family practices vary, but I find picture taking at funerals morbid and depressing. But for those who receive comfort from it, more power to you. Grieving is one of the hardest tasks we face as the left behind ones, so do whatever it takes to cope.

I prefer brief memorial services, no casket, just a nice photo of the deceased. Remarks are poignant  and yes, often humorous. No graveside service, I cannot tolerate those. Cremation is good, in my opinion.

I used to accept standard funeral practices (for my family and culture) as the only way to do things. Then,  I realized that it's all optional and I don't have to exacerbate my grief by doing things I don't  want to do. 

I sometimes joke that my family is so Catholic we have open casket reunions.  And it seems to me that a lot of times they're better attended than the regular reunions we have at the park.  At least they're more comfortable, being inside instead of out with unpredictable Mother Nature.

I think it depends on the family too how they want to structure the wake and how big of a crowd they think will show up.  I remember for my paternal Grandparents they had the children all stand / sit in a line and people filed past the casket then went on to greet each of the family members.  Us Grandchildren walked around a bit more and visited with people or looked at the photo slideshows/videos in the next room. 

When my Aunt died it wasn't quite so formal.  They occasionally had lines but my mom and siblings didn't spend the whole time in a receiving line.

[SilverBeach]

I do like videos and photo displays of the deceased person's life. They are often interesting and present a well rounded history which may include unknown information. The person's life is truly celebrated this way. If anything, I may ask for a copy of the video, if there is one.

[2manyKidzzz]

Irish family ....my grandparents owned a pub in DC. When my grandmother died, it was such a "celebration" of her life that people in the next salon complained about the noise. True. She was in her late 80s, so it was a sorrow, not a tragedy. 

[Season of life...]

4 hours ago, Mela99 said:

I don't believe it. Not for a second. It's a minister of some sort who only focuses on scripture and teaching Anna to be a better wife because it's all her fault.

I wouldn't be surprised if the counseling is as follows:

"So, Anna, are you being joyfully available to Josh with a glad heart?"

"Josh, do you feel Anna is doing everything possible to make your home a loving and welcoming environment for you? What else would make this transition from rehab easier for you?"

"Josh, what does Anna need to do to help you make the right choices as a husband and father?"

"Anna, Josh doesn't feel that you trust him, what can you do to show you have faith in the father of your children, hmmm?

"Are you following my guidelines to read scripture together nightly, with special focus on Ephesians 5:22-33 ?"

I don't mean to sound flip; I actually want them to get help. Anna is in it for the long haul, and I would hate to think she will forever be living a stressful life with a husband she can no longer trust. Surely, the children must feel the trickle down tension, but hopefully they are shielded from the worst of it.

It's one thing to say all is forgiven, but it's a lot harder to truly move on from a betrayal, especially one that changes your life and those of your children. I hope Anna is getting healthy support from the counselor.

 

[Mela99]

You know what I'm really starting to wonder? TLC or some Christian channel starting their own Family Rehab or Whatever that tv show on VH1 is called... How do you think TLC would react? Would they sell an Oprah-esque exposure interview ? Would the Mighty King Pickle JB permit it? I believe he's back in control of Smuggys every move

[JenniferJuniper]

1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

 

I agree also that this is the beginning of "the redemption of Josh."  We begin with the hard working man fixing and selling cars to make a living and move on to the repentant man, working to fix his marriage, and eventually he will be presented as a born again good guy and motivational speaker of some sort.

If they're living in that big fancy house, way to enable your shiftless son, Jim Bob!

I think you're right, that's the plan, but if Josh really doesn't have to work for a living beyond flipping cars (and we found out that Jinger's car flipping occupation was a total fraud set up for the show) and he is handed everything he and his family needs while he builds back his reputation, I don't think he'll make it.  He loved, loved, loved his freedom and had no trouble finding time to cheat on his wife when he was working in DC.  No women, no porn, not even an Instagram account where he can make obnoxious comments about disabled kids and poor people and post pictures of fast food.  He'll stray from the boredom alone, probably sooner rather than later.  He's a man of poor character and the Duggars can't just pretend that away.