Josh Duggar Part 11 - The End of Rehab Is in Sight

[sndral]

Documents that would prove that her claims were fabricated. 

I had a feeling that a dismissal with prejudice was going to be the outcome after the Motion to 'Withdraw' without prejudice was filed. But I did not expect the admission from her that she lied. Generally a dismissal with prejudice is viewed as a victory for the defendant. Josh's attorney must have had some pretty solid evidence to negotiate the 'I lied' language into the dismissal.

I gleaned from a link to Danica's IG account that was posted on this thread several days ago that she was in a heated custody dispute and she was accusing her ex of domestic violence. Her admission in Josh's case that she fabricated claims may be used against her in her custody case. I would guess that her admission will also end tabloid interest in her 'stories' -who'd risk printing claims by an admitted lier?

Unfortunately, she may have generated public sympathy for Josh. She made him a victim of false accusations of the most sordid kind. So when the public thinks back on this whole debacle they'll remember that Josh was falsely accused. To me it almost paves the way for the Duggars to say that when Josh said he was unfaithful to his wife he meant he lusted for other women, not that he actually physically cheated - although Anna's comments on the recent specials strongly suggest to me there was a physical affair.  

I predict interesting Duggar/TLC spin going forward, and how timely for the dismissal w/ admission of lying to happen right before Josh's parole from Jesus jail. We may be seeing a 'reformed/repentant' Smugs on our TV screens sooner rather than later, a Smugger/Anna vow renewal followed by the announcement of the next M blessing due in early 2017.

[IrishCarrie]

Remember the huge amount of fundies that seemed fine with Josh-gate 1 (molestation), but horrified by Josh-gate 2 (cheating on precious Anna)??

After this, they're back lovin' on the Duggars like none of it ever happened.

My bet is we'll see Josh back on our screens sometime over the summer.

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[gustava]

11 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

Here is what the Huffington Post  has to say about the dismissal of the case, and also what People Magazine  has to say.

We will never know the full details, but it does sound as though it is over.  I wonder why Josh's side didn't insist on the public retraction. 

The photo in HuffPo is pretty funny.  Makes it appear that Joshly has a halo.

[vienna]

I really dont´t know what to make of this ending. I can not believe that Danica made everything up and decided it would be a good move to sue. If she wanted the publicity she could have had that even without the suit and the one she got out from the suit could have been way more in my oppiion if she was in it for pr and interviews.

It does not make sense to me.

[JenniferJuniper]

1 hour ago, vienna said:

I really dont´t know what to make of this ending. I can not believe that Danica made everything up and decided it would be a good move to sue. If she wanted the publicity she could have had that even without the suit and the one she got out from the suit could have been way more in my oppiion if she was in it for pr and interviews.

It does not make sense to me.

It's a horrible thing to do on so many levels, but it hasn't really hurt her.  I certainly never knew who Danica Dillon was when all of this started and I'll bet that goes for most people.  She got a lot of tabloid attention; people googled her and read her tweets, and now we all know that "Lesbian Sex Therapist" came out on Feb 2.

The only potential downsides for her are the fact that she owes her attorney some money (probably not much as he didn't do much) and the risk that Josh might sue her for defamation.  For a variety of reasons, I don't think that will ever happen.

There's also that stalker stuff that her sister talked about and that Dillon herself possibly alluded to in a tweet just before the suit was filed.  As we really don't know that much about her, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that she is a mentally ill fangirl.

Reason 982 why you don't subject your family to a reality show.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

51 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

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The only potential downsides for her are the fact that she owes her attorney some money (probably not much as he didn't do much) and the risk that Josh might sue her for defamation.  For a variety of reasons, I don't think that will ever happen.

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Someone mentioned it upthread and I'm also really curious as to what they're going to do about the Hustler article.  It's not out, right?  Aren't they going to have to pull it now?  

And what about the tweet saying just because it was dropped doesn't mean it was a lie, when the verbiage of the legal documents indicates that it was?  What am I missing here?

i hate that she's given him victim status in this, but I wonder if he's going sue the shit out of her for defamation?  Gotta be honest, even if she didn't have a dime if it were me I'd go after her loaded for bear unless there was a pragmatic reason not to.  

as has been mentioned she's harmed every single current and future victim of sexual assault and she should be held accountable.  if you make your accusations public the consequences for lying should be public, too.

 

[Cleopatra7]

30 minutes ago, JenniferJuniper said:

It's a horrible thing to do on so many levels, but it hasn't really hurt her.  I certainly never knew who Danica Dillon was when all of this started and I'll bet that goes for most people.  She got a lot of tabloid attention; people googled her and read her tweets, and now we all know that "Lesbian Sex Therapist" came out on Feb 2.

The only potential downsides for her are the fact that she owes her attorney some money (probably not much as he didn't do much) and the risk that Josh might sue her for defamation.  For a variety of reasons, I don't think that will ever happen.

There's also that stalker stuff that her sister talked about and that Dillon herself possibly alluded to in a tweet just before the suit was filed.  As we really don't know that much about her, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that she is a mentally ill fangirl.

Reason 982 why you don't subject your family to a reality show.

I actually don't think this incident has changed the status quo. The leghumpers wil keep on defending the Duggars. Those of us who are critical will keep on being critical. I think TLC will have to be very careful if they plan to reintroduce Josh in front of the camera. A J&A vow renewal could really blow up in their faces on a variety of levels. The public isn't as innocent about this family as it was this time last year, but a lot of people love weddings, births, and Jesus, which the Duggars can provide in spades. This is why we need to keep pressure on the advertisers. 

[JenniferJuniper]

4 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

i hate that she's given him victim status in this, but I wonder if he's going sue the shit out of her for defamation?  Gotta be honest, even if she didn't have a dime if it were me I'd go after her loaded for bear unless there was a pragmatic reason not to.  

as has been mentioned she's harmed every single current and future victim of sexual assault and she should be held accountable.  if you make your accusations public the consequences for lying should be public, too.

 

While I think he'd have a very good shot at proving she acted with malicious intent and probably would love to sue the shit out of her, Josh would have to think carefully about what proving his damages would involve.

In order to recover anything from her, he'd have to prove she damaged his reputation.  As an admitted child molester and adulterer that poses some challenges as his reputation was pretty shitty to begin with.  He could certainly claim the lies she told made his reputation within the community worse, but in order to demonstrate this he'd have to answer all sorts of questions and would have to sit for a deposition. I can't see Josh wanting to open up to questioning about his child molesting or any details about his actual philandering. It's all public knowledge and it would all be fair game.

So while his knee jerk reaction might be to sue her, once someone explains to him what that will involve I can't see him going for it.

[Whoosh]

I have to say I really don't care all that much about Duggar in all of this.  It is absolutely horrible to be falsely accused and shouldn't happen to anyone, ever.  It does still seem to me that he is hiding something, but unless they both completely and totally lied in that agreement, he didn't do what she so publicly accused him of and should not have been put through all of this.  And yet I have to agree with Cleopatra that at the end of the day the reality is that it likely won't change much in terms of his future - the leghumpers kept supporting him through the molestation scandal and the admitted porn and cheating scandal. They might have had some additional doubts due to the Dillon accusations, but those doubts would likely have been tossed aside in favor of continued leghumping and some loud PRAISE JESUS talk of forgiveness and redemption.  TLC wants money and will have to proceed with caution, but that was already true.  The general public really doesn't know who these people are and doesn't care.  Even people who do know enough about Duggar to have an opinion on anything are likely to be thinking "if not her, someone else" and "I don't know how he likes it, but he was raised to assume women will consent and submit to his wishes and desires".  Any partial accounts of all of this that may have actually entered the conscious thought of most people will likely be entirely forgotten before we know who will win the primaries.  Duggar is far from the "perfect" victim when trying to expose the ugly truth about false rape or assault claims.

The Hustler article is an interesting question.  I think the responsible thing to do would be to pull it, but I don't think they care about that.  I think they care about cash money.  I am not sure, but I would expect them to run with the photo spread and probably the story too, though they will have to "update" the story to be consistent with what has happened this week.  Just my best guess there.  I hope I am wrong and they pull the whole thing.

He could sue her, but I don't see it happening for a variety of reasons.  A primary reason is that in order to prevail in a defamation case, he would need to prove that the harms he is claiming were actually due to her knowingly false statements and not something else.  Fair or not, that could be an ugly, messy road for Duggar.

My concern has been for every woman who ever has to decide whether to come forward with charges after a rape or sexual assault.  Many of them are not "perfect" victims.  While most people don't really know much about Duggar OR Dillon and don't really care, situations like this and the reactions to these types of claims in general have a huge impact on the likelihood that any given victim understands that an attack wasn't her fault, feels anyone will believe her, is willing to have every random detail of her life exposed and scrutinized, etc.  It is really horrible and tragic to me

[VapingindaCity]

I'm not really sure why she sued Duggar in the 1st place. I mean he stiffed her, but again she never admitted to prostituion that the $ was a gift... But the interview she did with the Tabloid she said it was consensual, but that he ended up being very aggressive and threw her around like a rag doll. I'm not sure what are the exact charges she brought against him. I know part of it was that he caused physical and emotional injuries. Not sure what else she could sue him for...

PART OF THE SETTLEMENT IS THAT SHE WILL DROP THE CASE AND NOT REFILE IT At A Later Date . ADMIT THAT SHE LIED AND HE WILL NOT SUE HER and Produce evidence that she lied.

.. BUT IT ISNT SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT SHE LIED ABT. Josh did admit that he did pay her for sex 2x, . .. If he persues defamatory charges against her he is open to Cross examining, and he really doesn't want to answer any questions..

SO AGAIN JOAH DID ADMIT THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PORNSTAR 2X FOR MONEY.

[Whoosh]

7 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

I'm not really sure why she sued Duggar in the 1st place. I mean he stiffed her, but again she never admitted to prostituion that the $ was a gift... But the interview she did with the Tabloid she said it was consensual, but that he ended up being very aggressive and threw her around like a rag doll. I'm not sure what are the exact charges she brought against him. I know part of it was that he caused physical and emotional injuries. Not sure what else she could sue him for...

I think I see where you are coming from with some of this, but I want to share my perspective.  In the court documents, she alleged that she consented to sexual relations, but not to the type of sexual relations that actually occurred.  While her initial statement said "it was consensual", it was my opinion from the start that what she was describing, if it happened, is not deemed as consensual in the eyes of the law.  To prevail, she would have needed to convince the jury that she didn't really realize that at the time of the first interview (or something similar).  Victim statements contain all kinds of inconsistencies - some types of inconsistencies are reasonable and expected and others are not. 

7 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

PART OF THE SETTLEMENT IS THAT SHE WILL DROP THE CASE AND NOT REFILE IT At A Later Date . ADMIT THAT SHE LIED AND HE WILL NOT SUE HER and Produce evidence that she lied.

He did not agree not to sue her.  He agreed to not file for summary judgment in the case that is now closed.  He could still file a new case to sue her and nothing in the agreement says anything that would prevent that.

7 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

.. BUT IT ISNT SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT SHE LIED ABT. Josh did admit that he did pay her for sex 2x, . .. If he persues defamatory charges against her he is open to Cross examining, and he really doesn't want to answer any questions..

I don't think Duggar admitted to anything.  I agree it totally isn't clear what they agreed that she lied about.  I agree cross examination would be unfortunate for Duggar.

 

[VapingindaCity]

So to me he is still a scumbag. He paid a pornstar money to have sex with him while his wife was preggers with baby #4. He makes her pinch pennies and shop at used clothing store and etc, but he has 2 paid Ashely Madison account plus extras and is throwing $ on a Porn Star who moonlighting as a Escourt. Ugh

I don't know how Josh could prove that he didn't rough her up like she says. Maybe he paid up, cuz after all she is taking her 15 mins and running with it... While she did say the paid sex was consesntual, leghumpers people will ignore that. Maybe he didn't have super extra Rought Paidbsex with a Porn Star, but he still paid to bang her 2x while his wife was preggers.

If josh has evidence to clear his name why didn't he present it to the court? Why settle? Clear ur name!!! Its one thing to pay for sex or cheat but rough up women w/o their consent not cool.. This is why I think a backroom deal happened. She got paid to go away, he admitted that he paid her for sex. She can still sell her story to the rags all she has to do is keep mum abt he roughing her up..it just doesn't make sense. Why not produce this evidence that will clear ur name, that they had consentual paid sex but Josh didn't rough her up? I dunno fishy to me . especially since these people love to pull the persecuted Cristian Card.

[Whoosh]

4 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

So to me he is still a scumbag. He paid a pornstar money to have sex with him while his wife was preggers with baby #4. He makes her pinch pennies and shop at used clothing store and etc, but he has 2 paid Ashely Madison account plus extras and is throwing $ on a Porn Star who moonlighting as a Escourt. Ugh

I don't know how Josh could prove that he didn't rough her up like she says. Maybe he paid up, cuz after all she is taking her 15 mins and running with it... While she did say the paid sex was consesntual, leghumpers people will ignore that. Maybe he didn't have super extra Rought Paidbsex with a Porn Star, but he still paid to bang her 2x while his wife was preggers.

If josh has evidence to clear his name why didn't he present it to the court? Why settle? Clear ur name!!! Its one thing to pay for sex or cheat but rough up women w/o their consent not cool.. This is why I think a backroom deal happened. She got paid to go away, he admitted that he paid her for sex. She can still sell her story to the rags all she has to do is keep mum abt he roughing her up..it just doesn't make sense. Why not produce this evidence that will clear ur name, that they had consentual paid sex but Josh didn't rough her up? I dunno fishy to me . especially since these people love to pull the persecuted Cristian Card.

I agree that the way this all ended is odd and leaves some questions.  It seems you are assuming some things happened that are at best questionable as to whether they happened and if you believe the court documents never happened as Dillon has said they never happened.  

I do get where you are coming from to some extent, but people should not be held accountable for things they didn't do.  I would like to see Duggar held accountable for what we KNOW he has done if that makes sense.

[VapingindaCity]

K. I get after reading it over. She never changed her statements really. I just didn't know that was something u could sue for..

But yes Josh admitted in Jan in court papers that he did have PAID sex with her 2x.

[Whoosh]

3 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

But yes Josh admitted in Jan in court papers that he did have PAID sex with her 2x.

It did kind of read that way, but he really didn't.  He did what he was supposed to do.  He set out his defense (I wasn't there and didn't do it) and then he listed various defenses he might use even if we assume he was there (but he is still saying he wasn't).  I am not saying that well and I hope it makes some sense.  It can get very confusing.

[JenniferJuniper]

2 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

So to me he is still a scumbag. He paid a pornstar money to have sex with him while his wife was preggers with baby #4. He makes her pinch pennies and shop at used clothing store and etc, but he has 2 paid Ashely Madison account plus extras and is throwing $ on a Porn Star who moonlighting as a Escourt. Ugh

I don't know how Josh could prove that he didn't rough her up like she says. Maybe he paid up, cuz after all she is taking her 15 mins and running with it... While she did say the paid sex was consesntual, leghumpers people will ignore that. Maybe he didn't have super extra Rought Paidbsex with a Porn Star, but he still paid to bang her 2x while his wife was preggers.

If josh has evidence to clear his name why didn't he present it to the court? Why settle? Clear ur name!!! Its one thing to pay for sex or cheat but rough up women w/o their consent not cool.. This is why I think a backroom deal happened. She got paid to go away, he admitted that he paid her for sex. She can still sell her story to the rags all she has to do is keep mum abt he roughing her up..it just doesn't make sense. Why not produce this evidence that will clear ur name, that they had consentual paid sex but Josh didn't rough her up? I dunno fishy to me . especially since these people love to pull the persecuted Cristian Card.

Josh claimed he had proof he was not in PA on her dance nights in March and April.  Dillon has acknowledged she lied and that he had the evidence to prove it.  Presumably his evidence was convincing?

Josh didn't have to prove anything.  She sued him.

He didn't settle.  She wanted to dismiss the case against and then agreed as part of that dismissal that she'd go away for good.  He didn't give her anything in return.

 

[VapingindaCity]

But yes Josh admitted in Jan in court papers that he did have PAID sex with her 2x.

It did kind of read that way, but he really didn't.  He did what he was supposed to do.  He set out his defense (I wasn't there and didn't do it) and then he listed various defenses he might use even if we assume he was there (but he is still saying he wasn't).  I am not saying that well and I hope it makes some sense.  It can get very confusing.

I dunno , every I read that what its saying. I'm talking like legit news outlets. I'll read it over tho. I'm sure the court papers will leak

[OnceUponATime]

4 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

But yes Josh admitted in Jan in court papers that he did have PAID sex with her 2x.

Actually in Document 11 (sworn certification of the defendant - made in january) the first point made (and sworn to by Duggar) is that he has never met DD in PA nor anywhere else.

Kind of hard to have paid sex with someone you have never met (imho)

 

[Whoosh]

3 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

It did kind of read that way, but he really didn't.  He did what he was supposed to do.  He set out his defense (I wasn't there and didn't do it) and then he listed various defenses he might use even if we assume he was there (but he is still saying he wasn't).  I am not saying that well and I hope it makes some sense.  It can get very confusing.

 

I dunno , every I read that what its saying. I'm talking like legit news outlets. I'll read it over tho. I'm sure the court papers will leak

The media is often very misleading.  The court papers have already been made public.  Some outlets reported what the court papers actually mean and others made up stories about what they might mean.  I know it can be very confusing to try to follow what is actually happening when the media is spinning things like that.  The reality is that the Answer to her complaint said exactly what a legal professional would expect Duggar to say if he had never been there and never met Dillon

[2manyKidzzz]

@Whoosh

You need to hang out a shingle, Whoosh!! Such a great statement on the diversity of man/woman kind. 

[Whoosh]

7 minutes ago, 2manyKidzzz said:

@Whoosh

You need to hang out a shingle, Whoosh!! Such a great statement on the diversity of man/woman kind. 

I feel like I can say this to you because I think you will totally agree.  I feel like you and I were annoyed with each other early on in these discussions until we had both yammered away enough that we understood where the other was coming from with their thoughts a bit better.  I can't remember what it was that you said, but you said something at one point that just clicked in my brain as this "aha!  that is her main point that drives what she is saying and I agree with it".  

I hope that makes sense.

[VapingindaCity]

Josh claimed he had proof he was not in PA on her dance nights in March and April.  Dillon has acknowledged she lied and that he had the evidence to prove it.  Presumably his evidence was convincing?

Josh didn't have to prove anything.  She sued him.

He didn't settle.  She wanted to dismiss the case against and then agreed as part of that dismissal that she'd go away for good.  He didn't give her anything in return.

 

I don't think u understand my rant.

I don't care if the evidence Josh has is Convincing. I want to know what it is and why you would not present it to the court if it cleared you?

I know no one settled, and that in our eyes he didn't give her anything, but to me it seems sketchy that u have everything to clear u name and won't do it. Maybe he was at another strip club banging some else, who knows .. to me it seems like she was paid in a backroom deal so she would shut up and go away .

Yes the burden of proof is on the Plaintiff but if josh bothered to gather the proof in the 1st place why not produce it. She admitted she lied but abt what exactly? Everything? Or the sex was consentual but not rough? There aren't any specific.

If he was somewhere else pics would had leaked already. Josh is also on trial on the Court of Public opion and Christians love to bitch and moan abt how they are persecuted cuz of their faith, I doubt that they would let this one slide. If she is just making a $ grab that makes Josh a victim and this FAM needs any "good" publicity it can get...

Also she didn't want the case dismissed, she was going to drop it but had the option to refile it at a later date. Josh put the Kobosh on that.

Me I'm just waiting until the Court papers leak, cuz I'm reading that he did admit to Paid consensual sex with her but denies the rough stuff. I really want to know what "proof" he had

[OnceUponATime]

@VapingindaCity

When the media is referring (incorrectly) to Josh admitting they are talking about the following document (for if you really wish to read it. The affirmative defenses for Josh start at the bottom of page 4) http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/josh-duggar-danica-dillon-lawsuit-signed.pdf
 

I'm just posting this because I knew I had read it somewhere and it wasn't that easy to find

[Whoosh]

10 minutes ago, VapingindaCity said:

Josh claimed he had proof he was not in PA on her dance nights in March and April.  Dillon has acknowledged she lied and that he had the evidence to prove it.  Presumably his evidence was convincing?

Josh didn't have to prove anything.  She sued him.

He didn't settle.  She wanted to dismiss the case against and then agreed as part of that dismissal that she'd go away for good.  He didn't give her anything in return.

 

 

I don't think u understand my rant.

I don't care if the evidence Josh has is Convincing. I want to know what it is and why you would not present it to the court if it cleared you?

I know no one settled, and that in our eyes he didn't give her anything, but to me it seems sketchy that u have everything to clear u name and won't do it. Maybe he was at another strip club banging some else, who knows .. to me it seems like she was paid in a backroom deal so she would shut up and go away .

Yes the burden of proof is on the Plaintiff but if josh bothered to gather the proof in the 1st place why not produce it. She admitted she lied but abt what exactly? Everything? Or the sex was consentual but not rough? There aren't any specific.

If he was somewhere else pics would had leaked already. Josh is also on trial on the Court of Public opion and Christians love to bitch and moan abt how they are persecuted cuz of their faith, I doubt that they would let this one slide. If she is just making a $ grab that makes Josh a victim and this FAM needs any "good" publicity it can get...

Also she didn't want the case dismissed, she was going to drop it but had the option to refile it at a later date. Josh put the Kobosh on that.

Me I'm just waiting until the Court papers leak, cuz I'm reading that he did admit to Paid consensual sex with her but denies the rough stuff. I really want to know what "proof" he had

I would say that some people now think we have proof that anything that may have happened between Duggar and Dillon (if anything at all did happen) was consensual.  Other people still believe that we don't know the truth and that we may never know what actually happened (if anything) between the two.  We do have a signed agreement, but as everyone has repeatedly pointed out throughout all of this - people lie in signed documents they submit to the court all the time.

I agree with you that it is odd that Duggar has not shown this "proof" of his innocence to the world.  However, in my mind that simply means that he would rather not have that information public for some reason.  It certainly doesn't prove that he ever met Dillon, etc.  

JMHO

ETA - @VapingindaCity all the court documents that will likely ever be made public are available now.  Someone just gave you a link to one of them.  Many of the others are scattered throughout these threads and many of them can also be found in the following thread if you are interested.

 

 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 hour ago, JenniferJuniper said:

While I think he'd have a very good shot at proving she acted with malicious intent and probably would love to sue the shit out of her, Josh would have to think carefully about what proving his damages would involve.

In order to recover anything from her, he'd have to prove she damaged his reputation.  As an admitted child molester and adulterer that poses some challenges as his reputation was pretty shitty to begin with.  He could certainly claim the lies she told made his reputation within the community worse, but in order to demonstrate this he'd have to answer all sorts of questions and would have to sit for a deposition. I can't see Josh wanting to open up to questioning about his child molesting or any details about his actual philandering. It's all public knowledge and it would all be fair game.

So while his knee jerk reaction might be to sue her, once someone explains to him what that will involve I can't see him going for it.

Thanks.  And that's exactly the kind of pragmatic reason that would keep me from doing it.

it just kills me that there is no accountability for making false accusations civilly.