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Try dumb-ass. The Aryan brotherhood doesn't mess around and I can see them turning on their non-white "friends" just for fun. Topic? Given the not so subtle endorsement of old school racism at VF, the Aryan brotherhood may not have seemed that Natasha. Or it could have simply been a matter of falling in with the wrong crowd.

There are a surprising number of Hispanics who would be just fine waving a Confederate flag in my experience.

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Sounds like the murder victim was a well educated, very sweet and very talented guy with a heroin addiction and bad taste in women. Just reading between the lines from news articles on the web. I'm sure his family is just destroyed.

Meth, heroin -- mega magnitudes worse than a little problem smoking pot. Hoping, wishing, praying that her little boy is with someone sane, grounded, loving and very nurturing.

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Sounds like the murder victim was a well educated, very sweet and very talented guy with a heroin addiction and bad taste in women. Just reading between the lines from news articles on the web. I'm sure his family is just destroyed.

Meth, heroin -- mega magnitudes worse than a little problem smoking pot. Hoping, wishing, praying that her little boy is with someone sane, grounded, loving and very nurturing.

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how likely that would be. I don't consider grandma to be sane, grounded,and nurturing. Her Army experience left her hard IMO.

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I thought Jen was married when she met Mark and committed adultery against that husband, but I guess I was wrong. So maybe she has only been married twice?

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I thought Jen was married when she met Mark and committed adultery against that husband, but I guess I was wrong. So maybe she has only been married twice?

Think that's right.

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I could have sworn, though, that there was an incident on Facebook a few years ago where one of Jen's many theological adversaries teased her about getting divorced for the third time (after she blamed gay people for, like, everything) and she said something like, "I'll keep trying 'til I get it right." But this was long ago, so I could never find it now.

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I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how likely that would be. I don't consider grandma to be sane, grounded,and nurturing. Her Army experience left her hard IMO.

Oh, my, CnD, clarify for me.

1. the kid is with Jen now, who is technically sane but not nurturing

or

2. simply that Jen would make a terrible grandparent; the kid is elsewhere

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Wow. That's a new wild chapter for the Jen Fishburne story.

Forgive my cynical mindset, though, but this doesn't seem as shocking to me as it perhaps should be. Fundies really try to defy logic, then are surprised at the results. In a way, it reminds me of Erika's recent miscarriage -- sad, but not unexpected for someone her age with her history of miscarriages.

I don't know as much about Jen, especially recently, but her portrayal in Quiverfull was...complicated, shall we say? She didn't read as the sanest woman, and she channeled that tremendous energy into her online and community campaigns. She and Mark had a terrible relationship, which had to have impacted the children (might have been even worse for her daughter to watch if Mark was her step-dad).

But underlying all of THAT was this incredibly obsessive focus on how to live in some perfect, Biblical way. She couldn't go to a more mainstream church; it HAD to be incredibly strict and strange in its interpretations. Then they were shunned, which sounded pretty horrific, especially for the kids (I just finished reading Quiverfull recently so it's fresh in my mind -- thank goodness for summer).

So the poor girl grew up with Mark and Jen's violent marriage, that messed up church situation, a mother whose spiritual focus seemed to overwhelm certain aspects of normal life... It's terrible, but I'm just not completely surprised that she would wind up with serious issues after all that -- especially since no one is modeling any kind of stable lifestyle for her.

I feel terrible for her son, though. Sounds like his mom is going to be gone for awhile, and Jen as a grandma in charge is pretty frightening.

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Oh, my, CnD, clarify for me.

1. the kid is with Jen now, who is technically sane but not nurturing

or

2. simply that Jen would make a terrible grandparent; the kid is elsewhere

Neither. Maybe not terrible but not great and I have no idea where the kid is.

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Wow. That's a new wild chapter for the Jen Fishburne story.

Forgive my cynical mindset, though, but this doesn't seem as shocking to me as it perhaps should be. Fundies really try to defy logic, then are surprised at the results. In a way, it reminds me of Erika's recent miscarriage -- sad, but not unexpected for someone her age with her history of miscarriages.

I don't know as much about Jen, especially recently, but her portrayal in Quiverfull was...complicated, shall we say? She didn't read as the sanest woman, and she channeled that tremendous energy into her online and community campaigns. She and Mark had a terrible relationship, which had to have impacted the children (might have been even worse for her daughter to watch if Mark was her step-dad).

But underlying all of THAT was this incredibly obsessive focus on how to live in some perfect, Biblical way. She couldn't go to a more mainstream church; it HAD to be incredibly strict and strange in its interpretations. Then they were shunned, which sounded pretty horrific, especially for the kids (I just finished reading Quiverfull recently so it's fresh in my mind -- thank goodness for summer).

So the poor girl grew up with Mark and Jen's violent marriage, that messed up church situation, a mother whose spiritual focus seemed to overwhelm certain aspects of normal life... It's terrible, but I'm just not completely surprised that she would wind up with serious issues after all that -- especially since no one is modeling any kind of stable lifestyle for her.

I feel terrible for her son, though. Sounds like his mom is going to be gone for awhile, and Jen as a grandma in charge is pretty frightening.

This is well-put. I was rereading the Doug Phillips/BCA/Jen parts of "Quiverfull" last night (what's available via Google Books) to refresh my memory, and once again came away mind-boggled by the craziness of it all. Why would people want to subject themselves to the twisted fiefdom of a crazy little man? How was it allowed to go on for so long? These are the tough questions...

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Not only did Jen submit to DPIAR twisted fiefdom, when she was kicked out of that fiefdom she spent YEARS groveling to Doug and Beelzebub to be let back in. Trying to get back in literally consumed part of her life.

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There are non-white people who think that they sound bad-ass for claiming association.

I'm also confused because Natasha not only has a seemingly Jewish last name, but her nickname on her Facebook page is "The Jew." I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the Aryan Brotherhood is also anti-Semitic?(I really don't want to Google them for fear of what will pop up.) Why on earth would any minority want to be associated with that group? It doesn't seem badass to me, just dangerous and self-hating.

Try dumb-ass. The Aryan brotherhood doesn't mess around and I can see them turning on their non-white "friends" just for fun. Topic? Given the not so subtle endorsement of old school racism at VF, the Aryan brotherhood may not have seemed that Natasha. Or it could have simply been a matter of falling in with the wrong crowd.

Isn't the Aryan brotherhood more of a down and dirty type prison gang? I would think most VF members would go for something a bit more prettied up.

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The Aryan Brotherhood is anti-semitic. I am curious about her relationship to Judaism and the Jewish people as well. She wears crosses in most of her pictures. I don't know much about Jen just that she was part of VF and helped uncover DPIAT's crimes. Did she can her husband convert from Judaism to Christianity? Is Natasha ethnically Jewish but religiously not? Several of her co-conspirators are latino and there is also a black co-conspirator. I wonder what their relationship is to the AB.

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The Aryan Brotherhood is anti-semitic. I am curious about her relationship to Judaism and the Jewish people as well. She wears crosses in most of her pictures. I don't know much about Jen just that she was part of VF and helped uncover DPIAT's crimes. Did she can her husband convert from Judaism to Christianity? Is Natasha ethnically Jewish but religiously not? Several of her co-conspirators are latino and there is also a black co-conspirator. I wonder what their relationship is to the AB.

Exactly, since AB is not known as being inclusive.

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That dye job Natasha is rocking is horrible.

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She’s accused of— gulp— helping to hide the body of a murder victim.

http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/ne ... o-cre.html

Jen asks for your prayers:

facebook.com/Jensgems/posts/10207045252956930?pnref=story

Natasha’s FB page:

facebook.com/tashanastasiaJAP?pnref=story

Natasha was once the best friend of Doug Phillips' victim, Lourdes Torres.

Instead of asking for prayers, she should be asking for an excellent attorney and those don't come cheap.

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I wonder what their relationship is to the AB.

Drugs. They are different rungs on the drug sales ladder.

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Pretty sure her father, Mark is Jewish. They used to have Passover celebrations in their home. I think they held one that church members were invited to at Singing Hills Ranch but I'm not sure when it was.

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Right there with you FloraKitty. The hair is awful

I would imagine it's also the very least of her problems. This is actually a really sad situation, given Natasha's screwed up childhood, her nutty (at best) mother, and the fact that she (Natasha) has a young son somewhere missing his mother, the mother who, no matter her problems, I'm sure he loves, despite her hair :roll:

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Drugs. They are different rungs on the drug sales ladder.

Duh, of course. thank you. Now that you say it its obvious. I just didn't make the connection

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This is well-put. I was rereading the Doug Phillips/BCA/Jen parts of "Quiverfull" last night (what's available via Google Books) to refresh my memory, and once again came away mind-boggled by the craziness of it all. Why would people want to subject themselves to the twisted fiefdom of a crazy little man? How was it allowed to go on for so long? These are the tough questions...

Jen's obsession with getting back into BCA does make me question her sanity. I still think she would be back kneeling at Doug's feet if he lifted a finger.

The "Huckabee, Moore Co-Author Accused of Molestation" thread reminded me of the Epstein/Fishburnes, Austin Davis and his wife desperately trying to get back into a church where he: a) deeply disapproved of how it was being run, because it approved of divorce too easily not necessarily because it covered up molestation; b) was not wanted; and c) had been told he would be escorted of the premises for trespassing if he turned up again, and turned up at a service anyway. Only then did Davis go to the authorities about the molestation.

It boggles the mind.

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