All Things Doug Phillips & VF, Including Lourdes's Lawsuit

[DomWackTroll]

I won't lie. I read that first url as peterbradrick.yourwankagent.com

And then I wondered why Bradrick had affiliated himself with what sounded like a gay porn network.

Actually, it would probably make the transition from Vision Forum to the "real world" a little easier. "Helping you with your real estate needs won't just be some manly romp for me. Sure, I'll romp a little, but I'll also be dripping in the glistening, godly sweat of hard, hard work by the time you take dominion of the snug new hole-- I mean, home-- that I so eagerly present to you."

[uber frau]

I won't lie. I read that first url as peterbradrick.yourwankagent.com

And then I wondered why Bradrick had affiliated himself with what sounded like a gay porn network.

On the one hand, there's rule 34 of the internet.

On the other hand, eww. Who'd pay to see that? (Imagine a brain bleach smiley here. I can't get it to work.)

[nausicaa]

Looks like Petey is now a real estate agent in Washington State!

peterbradrick.yourkwagent.com/

facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152062467936750

Edited to add FB link, which was just posted May 30th.

Wow. That is quite the development and I'm very surprised. Even though realtors have some autonomy, he is still working for someone else. And he will have to show houses to non-Christians, single mothers, gay couples, and unmarried couples planning on living together. I wonder how he will deal with that? And do you think an inexperienced realtor can make enough to support a large family?( I honestly don't know, I'm not sure of what the typical realtor makes).

I do have respect for him for working though and not thinking he's too good for that.

[WonderingInWA]

I am surprised to hear KW is a Christian company -- never heard that before. They aren't the largest in these parts and I've never worked with them, but I do see some signs around here and there. Maybe Bradrick! has found his niche. I was hoping he'd post his past career experience on the KW website, but he didn't. Just says some blather about trust, integrity, blah, blah, blah. If people only knew...

[Marian the Librarian]

I am surprised to hear KW is a Christian company -- never heard that before. They aren't the largest in these parts and I've never worked with them, but I do see some signs around here and there. Maybe Bradrick! has found his niche. I was hoping he'd post his past career experience on the KW website, but he didn't. Just says some blather about trust, integrity, blah, blah, blah. If people only knew...

Glassdoor.com has some reviews of what it's like to work for Keller-Williams. Most of them are quite positive, but one says "A cult," and another says:

"Too heavily Christian in ideology - Sometimes bordering on inappropriate. That should stay out of the office. This isn't a problem in my urban office where we focus on growing our businesses - but some of the things that come out of corporate are shocking."

Of course, I imagine things vary, depending on the local office...Googling "Keller-Williams" and "religion" also turns up some interesting results.

Per the Washington State Dep't of Licensing:

To qualify for a broker’s license, you must:

Be at least 18 years old.

Have a high school diploma or equivalent.

Successfully complete 90 hours of approved real estate education within 2 years before applying for the exam. This education must include:

A 60-hour course in Real Estate Fundamentals.

A 30-hour course in Real Estate Practices.

Pass the broker’s exam.

They also require fingerprinting by the Wa. State Patrol. Bradrick!'s brokerage license was issued on April 24, 2014.

I'm betting K-W does some sort of background checking before bringing an agent on board, so they probably have an idea of Bradrick!'s history.

[WonderingInWA]

Glassdoor.com has some reviews of what it's like to work for Keller-Williams. Most of them are quite positive, but one says "A cult," and another says:

"Too heavily Christian in ideology - Sometimes bordering on inappropriate. That should stay out of the office. This isn't a problem in my urban office where we focus on growing our businesses - but some of the things that come out of corporate are shocking."

Of course, I imagine things vary, depending on the local office...Googling "Keller-Williams" and "religion" also turns up some interesting results.

Per the Washington State Dep't of Licensing:

To qualify for a broker’s license, you must:

Be at least 18 years old.

Have a high school diploma or equivalent.

Successfully complete 90 hours of approved real estate education within 2 years before applying for the exam. This education must include:

A 60-hour course in Real Estate Fundamentals.

A 30-hour course in Real Estate Practices.

Pass the broker’s exam.

They also require fingerprinting by the Wa. State Patrol. Bradrick!'s brokerage license was issued on April 24, 2014.

I'm betting K-W does some sort of background checking before bringing an agent on board, so they probably have an idea of Bradrick!'s history.

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it many times again, but DANG Marian, you are SUCH a good librarian! :)

I guess Petey probably had to tell them something about his background and he probably played the Christian ticket as hard as he could to get early favor. But he still had to pass the exams and do the training. He's in Puyallup which is still far enough from his parents' homestead so that not a ton of people would know their family just by name, but I'm sure Daddy-oh Bradrick knows enough people to get Bradrick! through the door if his test scores were high enough. I've never taken a RE broker exam, but have heard they are fairly challenging.

So, you know, good for him if he can make it selling homes. The market is finally on the upswing here since the beginning of the 2007 decline. Hopefully this time he got a good deal on a house for his family (waived his own commission!) and they got something that has a water heater. The area he is likely living in is pretty inexpensive relative to Seattle prices, so I hope he found himself something nicer than he lived in before back at old Pa Brown's neck of the woods.

[Mary C Doates]

I'm betting K-W does some sort of background checking before bringing an agent on board, so they probably have an idea of Bradrick!'s history.

A quick Google search brings up quite a few LOLDoug (Phillips who is a tool) images featuring Bradrick!, so he may have some explaining to do.

[16strong]

On the one hand, there's rule 34 of the internet.

On the other hand, eww. Who'd pay to see that? (Imagine a brain bleach smiley here. I can't get it to work.)

:brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: :brain-bleach: Plenty to go around, everyone take a swig. :lol:

[erunerune]

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it many times again, but DANG Marian, you are SUCH a good librarian! :)

I guess Petey probably had to tell them something about his background and he probably played the Christian ticket as hard as he could to get early favor. But he still had to pass the exams and do the training. He's in Puyallup which is still far enough from his parents' homestead so that not a ton of people would know their family just by name, but I'm sure Daddy-oh Bradrick knows enough people to get Bradrick! through the door if his test scores were high enough. I've never taken a RE broker exam, but have heard they are fairly challenging.

So, you know, good for him if he can make it selling homes. The market is finally on the upswing here since the beginning of the 2007 decline. Hopefully this time he got a good deal on a house for his family (waived his own commission!) and they got something that has a water heater. The area he is likely living in is pretty inexpensive relative to Seattle prices, so I hope he found himself something nicer than he lived in before back at old Pa Brown's neck of the woods.

I have a current RE broker's license in WA state. I'm super-nerdy academically plus I was uptight about studying for the exam so that translated into passing just fine, though I know of several people who took the exam multiple times and did not pass (this is not a brag just troof). They don't actually allow you to see your exam scores, it's just "Pass" or "Fail." They don't even tell you if you had a weaker section or two that you might want to bone up on prior to going into business.

My understanding is that it is not difficult to sign up with a managing brokerage, barring any red flags such an arrest record or other form of notoriety. From the brokerage's perspective it is pure profit from any commissions an agent brings in, and new agents tend to get a lot of oversight when starting out.

Curious to see how Peter does in this field!

[erunerune]

I also wanted to add that fundies (such as the Zimmermans in AK) tend to see real estate as an opportunity to have a family-based business where everyone works for Daddy, etc. Also, their social circles can be wide enough to generate enough business to make it a feasible means of supporting a family. A lot of non-fundies wouldn't even be aware of their affiliations unless they do some digging (I've noticed Tait Zimmerman et al have locked down most of their FBs in recent months, where a lot of their more crazy-pants attitudes were readily available for all to see).

[CloakNDagger]

What's funny to me is Bradrick! thinks he can move his family all the way across the country and leave his past behind. But, he can't. Because the internet never forgets, and neither doesn FJ. And we FJers, we're everywhere!

Hi Petey! I'm sure you know we know where you are. Get crackin' on selling real estate! But your past will still catch up with you. You don't get to start over that easily...

I'm pretty sure that he owns his past... as we all should, and is moving on. It's too bad in this case that FJ is such a good spotlight. It's not like his past should make someone hesitate to use him for a realtor. After all, he still has mouths to feed, and they don't deserve your sabotaging his efforts to feed them. I SERIOUSLY doubt he's going to start a real estate cult. It's a good place for him and I hope he does well.

[Mal]

What's funny to me is Bradrick! thinks he can move his family all the way across the country and leave his past behind. But, he can't. Because the internet never forgets, and neither doesn FJ. And we FJers, we're everywhere!

Hi Petey! I'm sure you know we know where you are. Get crackin' on selling real estate! But your past will still catch up with you. You don't get to start over that easily...

Funny, this sounds a freaky awful lot like the tones I have heard form many, many cop crabs, be it "leaders", "siblings", "parents", etc. (who try their best to make sure no crab is able to jump out of the tank even if they're sick of the poop in the water) of the FIC, Vision Former, Gothard (etc), cult-ie groups. Congratulations you have just joined their mentality.

[salex]

I suspect Peter has been having a "dark night of the soul" for the last year or so. I wonder how much of his past he has had to look at with opened eyes and wonder about? I am happy that he has moved into a secular job-- a real job where he can excel without having as much education as he might have had, were he not spending his formative years working for The Tool (and i think Paying for the privilige? Didnt' interns pay to pray?)

From the outside, it appears not only did he discover his mentor had feet of clay and an evil core, he saw that he could not count on the movement he had been raised to believe in -- don't we believe his father in law and he may not be as tight as formerly? If he looks a bit ragged, heavier, older and worse for wear, it is likely because he is all of those things.

It will be interesting to see what he does in the next few years.

[salex]

Glassdoor.com has some reviews of what it's like to work for Keller-Williams. Most of them are quite positive, but one says "A cult," and another says:

"Too heavily Christian in ideology - Sometimes bordering on inappropriate. That should stay out of the office. This isn't a problem in my urban office where we focus on growing our businesses - but some of the things that come out of corporate are shocking."

Of course, I imagine things vary, depending on the local office...Googling "Keller-Williams" and "religion" also turns up some interesting results.

Per the Washington State Dep't of Licensing:

To qualify for a broker’s license, you must:

Be at least 18 years old.

Have a high school diploma or equivalent.

Successfully complete 90 hours of approved real estate education within 2 years before applying for the exam. This education must include:

A 60-hour course in Real Estate Fundamentals.

A 30-hour course in Real Estate Practices.

Pass the broker’s exam.

They also require fingerprinting by the Wa. State Patrol. Bradrick!'s brokerage license was issued on April 24, 2014.

I'm betting K-W does some sort of background checking before bringing an agent on board, so they probably have an idea of Bradrick!'s history.

I will say this, my friends who work for Keller Williams do pretty well and like the company. The local KW provides a lot of ongoing training and sales support.

[older than allosaurs]

Golly. Puyallup is my home town (or actually my home town address since I grew up out in the adjacent boonies). My daughter still lives nearby. I'll keep an eye out for Keller-Williams open houses when I'm visiting. I definitely would check out a Bradrick-hosted event.

I also was surprised about KW's religious affiliations. They have a considerable presence around here and I had never heard that. I wish Peter a new improved life. Whatever else, he is bound to encounter a wider range of people as a realtor than he has ever met before. Who knows what influences may creep in?

[MamaJunebug]

I quietly hope that part of Peter's ongoing epiphany has been that five children are enough children, at least until he and Princess Kells are on their financial feet, and (brace yourselves) that her body and spirit could do with a break from pregnancy and infant-tending, enjoying and raising her brood that's already here.

After all, her mother Deborah, as an adoptive mom, had the stress of having infants but not the strain of bearing them. Look at Kelly's married sister and at her brother's wife - they've not lost their baby weights after a combined four children in three years and that's not good for anybody.

I hope that both Peter and Kelly are realizing that in the Browns' case, "do as I say, not as I've done" is the operative idea, and that it's not valid.

[nausicaa]

I could be confusing timelines, but didn't we confirm that Kelly is currently pregnant with her sixth?

[WonderingInWA]

I could be confusing timelines, but didn't we confirm that Kelly is currently pregnant with her sixth?

I'm guessing she's had her little blessing by now. Seems like the person who posted that info said at one point months ago that she looked to be 5 months along, and her uterus is about as strong as a wet kleenex so she tends to have her babies prematurely.

Not sure how to research to find out if their blessing was born.

[nokidsmom]

As far as the realtor job, first off Peter will have to do something to support his wife and kids. I don't think his VF past will be an issue unless there's a client who finds out and has an issue with it. But odds are, probably not. As we have seen with whole DPIAT scandal, it hasn't made much in the news, either national or local, so very few folks will know or even care about VF.

It's good to see that he's doing something that's a real world job and may open his eyes to how to exist in the real world versus the VF universe. May some of that real world experience will lead him to decide to get more education because he could be capable of more with a real degree. And maybe decide that five kids is really enough. Frankly, I can't see Kelly having more kids after all the issues she's had and certainly hope that she's not pregnant with no. 6.

[GenerationCedarchip]

I suspect Peter has been having a "dark night of the soul" for the last year or so. I wonder how much of his past he has had to look at with opened eyes and wonder about? I am happy that he has moved into a secular job-- a real job where he can excel without having as much education as he might have had, were he not spending his formative years working for The Tool (and i think Paying for the privilige? Didnt' interns pay to pray?)

From the outside, it appears not only did he discover his mentor had feet of clay and an evil core, he saw that he could not count on the movement he had been raised to believe in -- don't we believe his father in law and he may not be as tight as formerly? If he looks a bit ragged, heavier, older and worse for wear, it is likely because he is all of those things.

It will be interesting to see what he does in the next few years.

That's pretty much what I've been thinking. Bradrick can't go back in time and change the way he was raised or the crazypants VF world he bought into. Frankly, since he didn't know much else other than that world, I'm not surprised he bought into it so hard. I find the fact that he ultimately ended up confronting it much more impressive. The road out of that type of thinking isn't always (or even most of the time) a smooth one, so mostly I just wish him and his family well as they find their way.

[nokidsmom]

That's pretty much what I've been thinking. Bradrick can't go back in time and change the way he was raised or the crazypants VF world he bought into. Frankly, since he didn't know much else other than that world, I'm not surprised he bought into it so hard. I find the fact that he ultimately ended up confronting it much more impressive. The road out of that type of thinking isn't always (or even most of the time) a smooth one, so mostly I just wish him and his family well as they find their way.

It's pretty clear that this scandal surrounding DPIAT seriously shattered his world. He could have just denied it all, in order to keep on thinking that DPIAT was his hero, but given the words said to him at the confrontation, I think that there was no avoiding it for him. He saw the true DPIAT in front of him. That kind of hurt would go real deep. But at the same time, this would be an opportunity to see finally what DPIAT and VF stand for and make efforts to truly cut loose.

So maybe it was a a good thing. Sure it would suck to go through but this way he can pick up the pieces and start with a new life and new perspective much sooner than folks who are still mired up in the DPIAT mess.

[WonderingInWA]

I still want to know if there is bad blood between him and his FIL, Scottie Brown. Something doesn't seem right to me there. He moved Kelly and the kids 3000 miles away and all I can think is that they must have had some kind of fallout? When Petey and Kelly first married, they lived in San Antonio, where their first child was born. Then Petey moved them to NC to be closer to Kelly's family, which I thought was nice of him. I think that was when he left VF and went to work for Scottie, but of course they were all still very tight. I can't imagine how Kelly is coping being away from her family, especially her mother, and can only hope Petey's mom is pitching in with some childcare/homeschool guidance.

[nokidsmom]

I still want to know if there is bad blood between him and his FIL, Scottie Brown. Something doesn't seem right to me there. He moved Kelly and the kids 3000 miles away and all I can think is that they must have had some kind of fallout? When Petey and Kelly first married, they lived in San Antonio, where their first child was born. Then Petey moved them to NC to be closer to Kelly's family, which I thought was nice of him. I think that was when he left VF and went to work for Scottie, but of course they were all still very tight. I can't imagine how Kelly is coping being away from her family, especially her mother, and can only hope Petey's mom is pitching in with some childcare/homeschool guidance.

I am wondering about that too. Given his geniune shock over DPIAT and then moving cross country back to where his parents are shortly afterward, I can only imagine that there's a) got to be some bad feelings between the two or b) it was so Peter could literally distance himself considering possible lawsuits or criminal charges against DPIAT.

[Coco]

I am wondering about that too. Given his geniune shock over DPIAT and then moving cross country back to where his parents are shortly afterward, I can only imagine that there's a) got to be some bad feelings between the two or b) it was so Peter could literally distance himself considering possible lawsuits or criminal charges against DPIAT.

Or it could be his whole world just imploded, so he wanted to be close to home. Scott Brown is thick in the mess. Even though he's father-in-law, close contact probably felt uncomfortable, like salt in a wound. Ma & Pa Bradrick have been homeschooling since time began and lived in the same area for 20+ years. It must have felt safe for PB to take his family back to where he was before all the VF shit even existed.

[WonderingInWA]

Or it could be his whole world just imploded, so he wanted to be close to home. Scott Brown is thick in the mess. Even though he's father-in-law, close contact probably felt uncomfortable, like salt in a wound. Ma & Pa Bradrick have been homeschooling since time began and lived in the same area for 20+ years. It must have felt safe for PB to take his family back to where he was before all the VF shit even existed.

One more thing to think about: Petey would never be married to Kelly had it not been for VF. That was an arranged marriage if I've ever seen one. It was a huge Broadway production (but under the Barnum and Bailey circus tent at Scotties home) -- and 6 (or maybe only just still 5) kids later, Petey has realized what a farce it all was. Granted, I think Kelly is probably a lovely girl and has done everything required of her as a VF robot female, but wow, talk about lamb to the slaughter and trying to come out 8 years later trying to pick up the pieces.