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Has anyone read this yet or am I late to the party ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-ing ... 84402.html

If the relationship began when she was in her late teens... Wow, I have no words for how wrong that is. Using his authority and her lifelong habit of submitting to males to begin such an inappropriate relationship is truly sick. Doug Phillips is worse than a tool.

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Wow, Doug's family are just as messed up as he is, if not worse. We have his dad, who we all knew was a big tool, and then one of his brothers got multiple people killed, and another is a racist. I wonder what his sisters are like, if the men of the family are all dicks. Although don't we know of one of his sisters who is normal.

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Can someone please explain to me how the bolded makes any sense at all? Does Bayly really think his sons will never have women teachers if they go to public schools? There are a lot of women who teach, especially in the younger grades.

(Hi, I'm new. I've been lurking, but not since Yuku, and I'm still trying to figure out things like fundie logic and who believes/practices what.)

To save you time, there is no fundie "logic" as most of us understand the word. Instead, there are sometimes widely varying rationalizations for disempowering females & condemning non-cult members. In this case, I'm guessing it goes something like this: Your kid has a female teacher but that teacher is only in charge for a year. Then a different female may take her place, but there's no time for the power to solidify. A homeschooling mom gets the power for however long she homeschools her quiver. As these paranoid patriarchs know, that's how toolish empires start.

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Question for clarity: Wasn't Howard Phillips raised Jewish? So how did his kiddo edit a supremacist website? The disconnect hurts the brain.....

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Is there anyway that we can start a thread on just Brad Phillips? If someone does a search on his name, it might be helpful if they could find a thread dedicated to him without having to read through one about Doug Phillips. Brad is just an entire different category of cruelty than Doug. It would be good if more people knew about him.

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Question for clarity: Wasn't Howard Phillips raised Jewish? So how did his kiddo edit a supremacist website? The disconnect hurts the brain.....

Calvinism seems to attract power hungry egoists. Of all the different flavors of Christianity, Phillips could have chosen, he decided to follow the ideology that says that a deity created most of mankind for eternal torture and a few select ones for paradise. Not all Calvinists are asses, of course, but there seem to be quite a few who are.

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From the first comment under Samuel Phillips' article:

"...and another activist I met was Askanazi Jew. They are infiltrating and trying to make sure it can’t become a white nationalist movement. One encouraging thing was one of the guys who got up and spoke complained about the activities of George Soros, which tells me they guy is unlikely to be a covert Jew..."

Samuel Phillips is half Jewish, FGS! It doesn't matter if he was "raised Catholic" by his mother or spews "white pride" or whatever. He is still HALF JEWISH. Do the people who interact with him on this site know that? How does Phillips feel when he reads this anti-Semitic trash? Where does this self-loathing come from? Is he in total denial, or does he obsess about his ethnic heritage? How about Doug and Brad? Their sisters? Do they understand that all their "Christian" protestations would have meant NOTHING to the Nazis, and that they would have been murdered anyway?

Every time I think this family can NOT get more bizarre...

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Calvinism seems to attract power hungry egoists. Of all the different flavors of Christianity, Phillips could have chosen, he decided to follow the ideology that says that a deity created most of mankind for eternal torture and a few select ones for paradise. Not all Calvinists are asses, of course, but there seem to be quite a few who are.

Late to the party, but I have been lurking for awhile. Calvinism can really only be ethical if you can never be certain of your American exceptionalism+Calvinism=a toxic combination. Add your friendly neighborhood sociopath, ala Doug Philips and it is about as toxic as it gets.

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To save you time, there is no fundie "logic" as most of us understand the word. Instead, there are sometimes widely varying rationalizations for disempowering females & condemning non-cult members. In this case, I'm guessing it goes something like this: Your kid has a female teacher but that teacher is only in charge for a year. Then a different female may take her place, but there's no time for the power to solidify. A homeschooling mom gets the power for however long she homeschools her quiver. As these paranoid patriarchs know, that's how toolish empires start.

Just to expand on what I said in my earlier post: Bayly feels that homeschooling is "soft" and is especially bad for boys, making them sissies who don't know how to fight in "the world." He says that if your kids are going to have to contend with pagans all their lives, why not start them young? This method does seem to have worked for him, as none of his children appear to have abandoned his belief system. In fact, they're all quite vocal in their support of it.

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I don't follow the VF people too much (aside from knowing that Doug Phillips is a Tool), but the name "Doug Wilson" makes me think of Kevin Nealon's character in Weeds... so whenever I read his name, I picture a weed-smoking disgraced ex-CPA who once jacked off with a rope around his neck. Yup. That's how I'm always going to imagine you, Dougie Number Two. :nenner:

edited for riffles

Please, please do not sully the wonderfully crazy Kevin Nealon Doug Wilson character with the vicious, malicious real life Doug Wilson.

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A couple thoughts popped into my head recently. Remember awhile back when Beall and the older girls took a vacation to England. At the time there was some speculation about it being weird, considering it is a well known "fact" that woman are too weak and stupid to travel by themselves, unchaperoned. As I recall, Beall had also had some kind of major make-over around that time. Now two things pop into my mind:

#1.) I can only imagine the shenanigans The Tool, Esq. got into while HE was unchaperoned. And...

#2.) I wonder if that was around the time when Beall found out about the misdeeds? Might explain her changing her look, and also might explain her going out of town for awhile.

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Calvinism seems to attract power hungry egoists. Of all the different flavors of Christianity, Phillips could have chosen, he decided to follow the ideology that says that a deity created most of mankind for eternal torture and a few select ones for paradise. Not all Calvinists are asses, of course, but there seem to be quite a few who are.

I agree with debrand. (FTR - I have said this before - I self-identify as mainstream Christian).

In my experience, those most likely to be attracted to Calvinism already have an entitled, arrogant attitude. That belief system seems to attract those who think of themselves as the intellectual, educated portion of Christianity. So, from the start, things are messed up; they totally miss the teachings of Jesus with regard to many things, the most obvious being humility. (From the small bit of religious history I know, these statements quite probably also applied to Calvin himself).

So - not much good seems to come out of this self-selected group.

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I agree with debrand. (FTR - I have said this before - I self-identify as mainstream Christian).

In my experience, those most likely to be attracted to Calvinism already have an entitled, arrogant attitude. That belief system seems to attract those who think of themselves as the intellectual, educated portion of Christianity. So, from the start, things are messed up; they totally miss the teachings of Jesus with regard to many things, the most obvious being humility. (From the small bit of religious history I know, these statements quite probably also applied to Calvin himself).

So - not much good seems to come out of this self-selected group.

For some reason, people who are Calvinists keep coming into my life. Most of them seem really nice, but I find it hard to trust them completely because their belief system is so awful to me. I have a feeling they are hiding something - they probably are.

As for Calvin himself, I studied him a bit in school (he lived near where I grew up and there is a HUGE statue of him there) and yeah, he was arrogant alright. He had his own friend executed for some minor transgression (at least, I think that was him).

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I don't follow the VF people too much (aside from knowing that Doug Phillips is a Tool), but the name "Doug Wilson" makes me think of Kevin Nealon's character in Weeds... so whenever I read his name, I picture a weed-smoking disgraced ex-CPA who once jacked off with a rope around his neck. Yup. That's how I'm always going to imagine you, Dougie Number Two. :nenner:

edited for riffles

Doug Wilson causes me to default to Doug Wilson interior decorator Trading Spaces.

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Can't type much but I begin to get why Howard Phillips wrote to thank Scott Brown for being Doug's friend - he might have seen SB as a moderating influence on DP. Not that famiIar w Mr. Howard but as conservative as he was, I don't think he was a hater. Bears researching.

As far as two Phillips sisters, they are unmarried

Performing artists and one changed her name to Italian. I have hope for them.

Presbyterians run the gamut these days. The Servens at one end of the spectrum and diversity-affirming, "y'all come," "Christ loves us all" at the other. Those are actually pretty cool folk in my limited experience.

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Is there anyway that we can start a thread on just Brad Phillips? If someone does a search on his name, it might be helpful if they could find a thread dedicated to him without having to read through one about Doug Phillips. Brad is just an entire different category of cruelty than Doug. It would be good if more people knew about him.

Shall do.

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Not that famiIar w Mr. Howard but as conservative as he was, I don't think he was a hater. Bears researching.

How did he manage to produce 3 such arse-holic sons? Good Lord, the tool seems to be the best of the bunch. :shock:

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As for Calvin himself, I studied him a bit in school (he lived near where I grew up and there is a HUGE statue of him there) and yeah, he was arrogant alright. He had his own friend executed for some minor transgression (at least, I think that was him).

Raised UU here, and you may be thinking of our main martyr, Michael Servetus (http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles ... vetus.html). Despite their earlier collegiality, Calvin did indeed play a big role in Servetus' execution.

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For some reason, people who are Calvinists keep coming into my life. Most of them seem really nice, but I find it hard to trust them completely because their belief system is so awful to me. I have a feeling they are hiding something - they probably are.

As for Calvin himself, I studied him a bit in school (he lived near where I grew up and there is a HUGE statue of him there) and yeah, he was arrogant alright. He had his own friend executed for some minor transgression (at least, I think that was him).

Yes - that was Servetus, over claimed "heresy"...

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New post from Doug Wilson:

"Now what was the sin of Sapphira here? Why did she lose her life? The sin she committed here, in Peter's words, was the sin of agreeing with her husband. And when she came in to speak with Peter, not knowing her husband was dead, her moral duty at that point was to expose her husband by confessing the sin."

dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/the-sin-of-agreeing-with-her-husband.html

Oh COME THE FUCK ON. The wife is supposed to back up her husband no matter what, or she's out of harmony and undermining his authority in front of others. That's THEIR goddamn rule. Don't go changing it on the women now.

Oh, what am I thinking. It's always the woman's fault. I forgot. :angry-nono:

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Mr/Ms Eston's post at Jen's blog calling out the Chalcedon (Rushdoony) Foundation has raised a lengthy response from Martin Selbrede, one of its representatives, as well as from Joe Taylor, victim of Doug Phillips Is A Tool's litigation & fraudulent business practices in the "Raising the Allosaur" matter.

Link: jensgems.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/open-letter-to-chalcedon-foundation-regarding-its-defense-of-doug-phillips/#comments

Leaving aside, momentarily, the fact that Eston seems to worship Rushdoony as much as Doug Phillips Is A Tool does/did although differently (as in, "You're Doing it Wrong!"), Joe Taylor's comment is perhaps the most interesting:

What a wonderful work we could have all done together with Doug’s brilliant mind, business ability and his contacts with wealthy Christians. By now, instead of Creation feild [sic] paleontology being severely crippled, it could have blossomed and been responsible for the start of several new fossil evidence museums, films and publications not to mention the training of numerous laborers in the feild [sic].

:orly:

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Oh COME THE FUCK ON. The wife is supposed to back up her husband no matter what, or she's out of harmony and undermining his authority in front of others. That's THEIR goddamn rule. Don't go changing it on the women now.

Oh, what am I thinking. It's always the woman's fault. I forgot. :angry-nono:

That's the rule.

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