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Ding Dong, VF is Dead! And Doug Phillips is a Tool - Part 3


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One of us. One of us. Gooble goble. Sorry, for the movie reference, I just couldn't resist.

Lol. Resistance is futile. :smile:

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Folks....I am uncomfortable with referring to Doug Phillip's (the tool) possible victim as "the Janitor's daughter" as if being the child of a blue collar worker is demeaning.

We don't know who this woman is, or if there is more than one woman. Until we have more credible information, let's be a bit more cautious, please.

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...there could be some people commenting here, and elsewhere, who do have intimate knowledge of Doug Phillips, his character, and the basis for his recent actions. There indeed are, and there are many more of us than you could imagine. Among us are former business associates and partners whom Doug Phillips has defrauded by stealing our intellectual property and products, stealing our customer/donor email lists, former employees who left in utter disillusionment over the unethical practices they witnessed, former VF interns who witnessed first hand the astonishing hypocrisies and viciousness, former BCA members whom Doug has spiritually and emotionally abused, former victims of the philandering, and the many that Douglas W. Phillips has threatened to sue and intimidated into silence. Doug Phillips has accumulated many such victims for well over a decade...

I have to say, as someone who does NOT have intimate knowledge of Doug Phillips but read all about the "raising the allosaur" fiasco years ago, that I'm not surprised to hear him being accused of stealing other people's intellectual property and labor. Not one bit.

10. The longer Doug’s victim remains silent the more probable it is that she was paid off. It also makes sense that, if there was a payoff, it subsequently leaked to the VFM Board Of Directors. The board members would have been smart enough to immediately commence a thorough financial audit because, generally speaking, where there’s one payoff there are usually more, not to mention a lot of other financial frauds. It would take something of at least that magnitude, as a bare minimum, to compel the board to dissolve VFM. Ministry boards never dissolve a ministry just over an affair, especial a ministry that brings in as much revenue as VFM has done.

Word. Excellent analysis - there's gotta be some money shenanigans going on, even if it's just colossal bad management.

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:shrug: This board has already labeled him with great gusto as a sexually abusive Svengali and horrible embezzler. The caution horse done left the barn a long time ago.

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One of us. One of us. Gooble goble. Sorry, for the movie reference, I just couldn't resist.

debrand, I love you. I am now waving a fork in the air with my foot.

As for all of the stuff about Doug's interns needing to be attractive:

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OK, I know -- he's got what Dougie wanted in an intern's looks, race and attitude.

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Folks....I am uncomfortable with referring to Doug Phillip's (the tool) possible victim as "the Janitor's daughter" as if being the child of a blue collar worker is demeaning.

We don't know who this woman is, or if there is more than one woman. Until we have more credible information, let's be a bit more cautious, please.

While I definitely see what you are saying, and speaking for myself alone, I have to say that referring to the possible victim as the daughter of a janitor and a nanny is definitely not intended to be demeaning.

I would argue that mentioning these jobs is an attempt to point out how very huge the power differential was between Doug the Tool's professional, social, and income status and the possible victim(s) statuses. Referring to these jobs is not trying to demean those who work in those areas, but is acknowledging that those in "blue collar" jobs will be looked down upon, demeaned, and taken advantage of by the likes of Doug. The Tool.

The possible victim has been named elsewhere and is referred to elsewhere by these identifiers. There may indeed be others. The information elsewhere regarding the victim may be wrong. In truth, only Doug, the Tool, and his victim(s) know the whole truth. We may never know the whole truth, even if this goes to a court of law.

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Has anyone found the footage of the young women's quartet at either or both the France and the Titanic event? Just morbid curiosity on my part, literally, since right now DP's rep is dead in the water, as it should be.

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As soon as I read "manly romps" I had Eston pegged as one of us (do I count as an "us yet? I'm a frumper lover & everything). As with so much about scandals this delicious it would be irresponsible not to speculate on Eston's identity. Any nominees?

I think you're onto something there. In one of the comments at SSB, Eston talks about “trickle truth," a term that was discussed here just last week in reference to DP the Tool--a term which I don't believe I have ever come across before (maybe I'm just unusually ill-read LOL). Coincidence that it would turn up again a few days later in another venue discussing the same DP is a Tool?

It's amusing to speculate, but I'm way too distracted by Eston's juicy insights to dig too deeply into his/her identity. :D

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What palmpiset said. I consider all work of value and know that I am far more dependent on a janitor than anyone is dependent on my job.

But I think the mindset of the Botkins/Phillips/browns/servens is not that at all. Remember the scene from so much more when we learned that the woman who is being suggested as the victim worked for doggie because her father's vision was to support Doug's vision?

Their philosophy is that a janitor can't have a real vision, can't have his own legacy, can't have his own generational army. Not that I think we need any of those things. And I am also angry at the father if this woman is the victim because of that. It makes me Ill

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I have to say, as someone who does NOT have intimate knowledge of Doug Phillips but read all about the "raising the allosaur" fiasco years ago, that I'm not surprised to hear him being accused of stealing other people's intellectual property and labor. Not one bit.

Word. Excellent analysis - there's gotta be some money shenanigans going on, even if it's just colossal bad management.

Seconded/thirded. I have felt there is something telling in the 8/9 months between Dougie's stepping down at BCA and then VFM. This assessment ties it all in - affair discovery, investigation into financial impropriety, then forced resignation after having accumulated enough evidence of financial improprieties to present to Dougie to get him to comply.

I too think it's highly likely Eston reads here too.

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I think you're onto something there. In one of the comments at SSB, Eston talks about “trickle truth," a term that was discussed here just last week in reference to DP the Tool--a term which I don't believe I have ever come across before (maybe I'm just unusually ill-read LOL). Coincidence that it would turn up again a few days later in another venue discussing the same DP is a Tool?

It's amusing to speculate, but I'm way too distracted by Eston's juicy insights to dig too deeply into his/her identity. :D

Trickle truth isn't uncommon in therapy discussions.

And the dp second apology is a perfect example. Eston might be a reader or poster here. They might be lying or telling the truth. I am taking everything with a grain of salt now (especially since I have not been harmed and I am not owed an apology or repentance by Doug. He owes these actual people her harmed those things).

It feels true, but it is also confirmation bias right?

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Trickle truth isn't uncommon in therapy discussions.

And the dp second apology is a perfect example. Eston might be a reader or poster here. They might be lying or telling the truth. I am taking everything with a grain of salt now (especially since I have not been harmed and I am not owed an apology or repentance by Doug. He owes these actual people her harmed those things).

It feels true, but it is also confirmation bias right?

All we really know is that Doug Phillips had an affair with someone and he insists that someone is a woman.

The rumors are interesting though and it is difficult not to speculate. It is obvious that there is more to the story but it is impossible to say for certainty what is true and what isn't

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Has anyone found the footage of the young women's quartet at either or both the France and the Titanic event? Just morbid curiosity on my part, literally, since right now DP's rep is dead in the water, as it should be.

On the VF Blog (formerly Doug's Blog), April 21 2012 Titanic "celebration," ( :evil: ) "Come Josephine in My Flying Machine."

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On the VF Blog (formerly Doug's Blog), April 21 2012 Titanic "celebration," ( :evil: ) "Come Josephine in My Flying Machine."

I got sucked into the VF video archives after watching the "Josephine" performance and stumbled upon Beall reciting her own version of Rudyard Kipling's classic poem, "If" (kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm), to the ladies at the Titanic tea. Kipling's original version championed self-determination and resilience, but this complementarian perversion ran as follows (yes, Lord help me, I transcribed it):

If you can keep a sweet and gentle spirit

In spite of fame or fortune, rank or place,

And though you win your goal--or only near it--

Can win with poise, and lose with equal grace,

If you can keep the simple homely virtue

Of walking right with God, then have no fear

That anything in all the world can hurt you.

And, which is more, you'll be a woman, dear.

In addition to advancing the tooth-rotting ideal of "keeping sweet," this poem promotes VF's trademark assurance that by hewing to a set of standards, "walking right with God," you'll shield yourself from pain and suffering. Well, Beall, forgive me, but--as that feminist harlot Sarah Palin might say--how's that workin' out for ya?!

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Folks....I am uncomfortable with referring to Doug Phillip's (the tool) possible victim as "the Janitor's daughter" as if being the child of a blue collar worker is demeaning.

We don't know who this woman is, or if there is more than one woman. Until we have more credible information, let's be a bit more cautious, please.

I understand what you're saying, the socialist part of me (ie: every cell in my body) agrees. But you have to remember that it is not us who differenciate here. It is VFers. VF and Doug have carefully crafted a mini society where he and his ilk are the aristocracy who dole out favours to the 'lower' classes. If it was the nanny and if she is the janitors daughter, then in Doug's mini society she was at a disadvantage compared to the Phillips children. In Doug's world hewas the oone with all the power. It's not us, it is Doug. And its another example of what is wrong withthis cult. A girl such of this was in no position to have said no, and add in teen hormones, crushes and cult of personality around Doug, what you end up with is this scandal.

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In a comment rebutting that of a VF groupie, at Doug Wilson's blog (dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/patriarchy-vision-forum-and-all-the-rest-of-it.html#comments), Eston claims to know Doug Phillips Is A Tool, Kevin Swanson, R.C. Sproul, Jr. and other all-stars:

This TW Eston could be somebody who knows Doug and the rest of them and has a lot of inside information.

It could also be "Razing Ruth" who has found a new place to play and pretend to be an important insider who knows it all. This is her MO and so far she has pretended to be an insider when it comes to the Gosselins, the crew who writes for the tv-series House, the QF movement and Gothard followers and I probably have missed something.

Just sayin'.

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This TW Eston could be somebody who knows Doug and the rest of them and has a lot of inside information.

It could also be "Razing Ruth" who has found a new place to play and pretend to be an important insider who knows it all. This is her MO and so far she has pretended to be an insider when it comes to the Gosselins, the crew who writes for the tv-series House, the QF movement and Gothard followers and I probably have missed something.

Just sayin'.

You are right, it could be a lying liar who lies but I don't think it's "Ruth" herself. I've never read "Ruth" write as eloquently as TW Eston.

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One thing that has amazed me about this entire fiasco is how strongly his own inner circle dislikes Dougie. Underneath all those smiles, there must have been a lot of bitterness and resentment. If I was Scott Brown, I would sleep with one eye open.

The rumor about the Nanny seems to have originated from members of Vision Forum. He might not have had an affair with the young woman but someone sure wants for us to think that he did. If they want their organization to remain viable, the board is going to have to release more information or they will lose some credibility and that means that they won't earn as much money.

I am hoping that instead of taking advantage of some young woman, Doug and Beal are into wife swapping or Beal is a secret dominatrix. :D

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One of us. One of us. Gooble goble. Sorry, for the movie reference, I just couldn't resist.

So I'm in & Doug's out? I choose to believe these events are connected.

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One thing that has amazed me about this entire fiasco is how strongly his own inner circle dislikes Dougie. Underneath all those smiles, there must have been a lot of bitterness and resentment. If I was Scott Brown, I would sleep with one eye open.

The rumor about the Nanny seems to have originated from members of Vision Forum. He might not have had an affair with the young woman but someone sure wants for us to think that he did. If they want their organization to remain viable, the board is going to have to release more information or they will lose some credibility and that means that they won't earn as much money.

I am hoping that instead of taking advantage of some young woman, Doug and Beal are into wife swapping or Beal is a secret dominatrix. :D

Bingo. I still do not believe it, but I can't tell you what I do believe.

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This TW Eston could be somebody who knows Doug and the rest of them and has a lot of inside information.

It could also be "Razing Ruth" who has found a new place to play and pretend to be an important insider who knows it all. This is her MO and so far she has pretended to be an insider when it comes to the Gosselins, the crew who writes for the tv-series House, the QF movement and Gothard followers and I probably have missed something.

Just sayin'.

Sure. This is why I used the verb "claims."

Re: Ruth. Doubt it's her unless she's successfully completed a remedial course in English composition. Online personas may change but writing styles (or a lack of writing ability) are harder to mask.

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Sure. This is why I used the verb "claims."

Re: Ruth. Doubt it's her unless she's successfully completed a remedial course in English composition. Online personas may change but writing styles (or a lack of writing ability) are harder to mask.

I really didn't think Ruth's writing style was all that bad. I think she wrote in a believable way for the college-aged person she was portraying. My guess is that "Ruth" has a pretty good command over her writing and could easily switch gears to becoming the "VF insider adult".

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I really didn't think Ruth's writing style was all that bad. I think she wrote in a believable way for the college-aged person she was portraying. My guess is that "Ruth" has a pretty good command over her writing and could easily switch gears to becoming the "VF insider adult".

Given how well she's been able to integrate into a number of online communities by being able to to "talk the talk" and thereby convince others she's "real" enough within same community, I would say that it's possible. Not to say that this VF insider person is Ruth, but I wouldn't be surprised if she attempted to come back as another fundie insider of some sort.

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Given how well she's been able to integrate into a number of online communities by being able to to "talk the talk" and thereby convince others she's "real" enough within same community, I would say that it's possible. Not to say that this VF insider person is Ruth, but I wouldn't be surprised if she attempted to come back as another fundie insider of some sort.

I'm sure she will or already has. It seems to be a compulsion with her. I've been expecting to see her on one of the Mormon or polygamy show boards but since I've lost a lot of interest in those, perhaps I'll get to miss that incarnation.

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Could it be Voddie's daughter, Jasmine? The fact that Eaton is the name of the son conceived by Jefferson and Sally Hemings sounds like a bit of information that a well read person like Jasmine would know.

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