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Doug Wilson is an asshole of cosmic proportions:

thewartburgwatch.com/2012/07/18/the-real-doug-wilson-encouraged-presided-over-the-marriage-of-serial-pedophile/

Damn :cry:

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Wow - Mr./Ms. Eston is on a roll.

Check out this comment from spiritualsoundingboard.com:

If Eston had used the phrase "Anaconda Hunter," I'd swear he or she reads here. Even so, it still seems likely...that's pretty close to how we all describe Doug Phillips (who is an everlasting tool).

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Wow - Mr./Ms. Eston is on a roll.

Check out this comment from spiritualsoundingboard.com:

So the interns are a fundy's Abercrombie models?

ETA: grammar!

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If Eston had used the phrase "Anaconda Hunter," I'd swear he or she reads here. Even so, it still seems likely...that's pretty close to how we all describe Doug Phillips (who is an everlasting tool).

It does sound like Eston reads here, but I'm okay with that. He/she still might have an inside scoop that we don't, and just concurs what we've already been able to figure out on our own.

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As soon as I read "manly romps" I had Eston pegged as one of us (do I count as an "us yet? I'm a frumper lover & everything). As with so much about scandals this delicious it would be irresponsible not to speculate on Eston's identity. Any nominees?

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You know, I'm beginning to suspect that T. W. Eston doesn't like the Tool, Esq. very much! :lol:

I wish we knew who Eston is and how of an insider he/she really is. So much of this is things we have speculated about and he/she is confirming.

Also, where is KISA when we need him? And why didn't he spill any of this juicy stuff when he was gossiping here?

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As soon as I read "manly romps" I had Eston pegged as one of us (do I count as an "us yet? I'm a frumper lover & everything). As with so much about scandals this delicious it would be irresponsible not to speculate on Eston's identity. Any nominees?

You count as one of us :-)

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Question for all those who know more than me!

Do we know for sure that it was the janitor's daughter, and if no, why is she the "suspect"?

I read about a second confession? Is this beyond the one where he says the incident was not "in the biblical sense" or has there been anything further?

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In a comment rebutting that of a VF groupie, at Doug Wilson's blog (dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/patriarchy-vision-forum-and-all-the-rest-of-it.html#comments), Eston claims to know Doug Phillips Is A Tool, Kevin Swanson, R.C. Sproul, Jr. and other all-stars:

To answer your earlier question, yes, I know/knew each of these men personally. They are former personal friends (they all have many former personal friends and burn through friendships faster than you can imagine). I've formed my opinions of them not as you have, based on a brief encounter over a meal, speaking to them at a conference, casual acquaintance type "knowing" either. The fact is such "knowing" is no knowing at all. Each of these men (and a couple the wives too) are accomplished actors, in their own right, always charming and pleasant and well behaved in public, no different at all from the typical politician and sociopath. See #8 at http://www.policymic.com/articles/44423 ... sociopaths for a bit of a wakeup call. Of course this isn't to imply that, ipso facto, all clergy are sociopaths. It is to say that just because someone is a pastor who presents himself well in public, playing with and kissing other people's babies like a politician, is no indication of their character.
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I revisited "Quiverfull" this weekend and I believe the term "manly romp" actually appears in VF literature. I imagine that's why this board latched onto it in the first place. Oh, the irony! :lol:

Additionally, in the story of Jen Epstein, the young lady in question was mentioned by name as being one who "shunned" Jen's daughter, who had previously been a friend. She was identified both by name and by her occupation as Dougie's nanny as of mid/late '06, around the time this particular case of abuse would have begun. If she's 25 now (thought I read that somewhere), she would have been 18-ish then, right? So, hopefully, the issue of her being a minor isn't in play.

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Question for all those who know more than me!

Do we know for sure that it was the janitor's daughter, and if no, why is she the "suspect victim"?

I read about a second confession? Is this beyond the one where he says the incident was not "in the biblical sense" or has there been anything further?

Fixed that for you.

No, we do not know for certain sure that the Janitor's daughter and nanny was the victim, but all the evidence points that way and insiders are saying it is true. Neither she nor Doug the Tool has confirmed it. And the chances are that neither will ever come forward to confirm. The victim because she has been threatened, paid off with attendant legal threats, fear for her reputation and her family, etc. Doug because he is a Tool with a helluva lot more to lose. It would spoil his comeback.

He confessed to "not in the biblical sense" and then a couple of days later "clarified" that it was physical. Both confessions are on the Vision Forum site.

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I revisited "Quiverfull" this weekend and I believe the term "manly romp" actually appears in VF literature. I imagine that's why this board latched onto it in the first place. Oh, the irony! :lol:

Additionally, in the story of Jen Epstein, the young lady in question was mentioned by name as being one who "shunned" Jen's daughter, who had previously been a friend. She was identified both by name and by her occupation as Dougie's nanny as of mid/late '06, around the time this particular case of abuse would have begun. If she's 25 now (thought I read that somewhere), she would have been 18-ish then, right? So, hopefully, the issue of her being a minor isn't in play.

Someone earlier found a blog post by Doug (Phillips is a Tool) from 2003, which said the woman in question had just graduated. That would have put her about 18 at the time, and thus about 28 now. She'd have been about 21 when the issue with Jen happened.

How long has she been the nanny? Since she graduate or a few years after?

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Fixed that for you.

No, we do not know for certain sure that the Janitor's daughter and nanny was the victim, but all the evidence points that way and insiders are saying it is true. Neither she nor Doug the Tool has confirmed it. And the chances are that neither will ever come forward to confirm. The victim because she has been threatened, paid off with attendant legal threats, fear for her reputation and her family, etc. Doug because he is a Tool with a helluva lot more to lose. It would spoil his comeback.

He confessed to "not in the biblical sense" and then a couple of days later "clarified" that it was physical. Both confessions are on the Vision Forum site.

Ugh. He is just disgusting. And that's on the victim note - I simply meant that she is his suspected victim. I feel so sorry for this girl and I hope that he doesn't "comeback".

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If what Eston (or the Estons?) is saying is true, then my opinion of Doug Phillips is a tool has reached an all-time low. And that's saying something.

Not that I'm surprised. Vision Forum has always reeked of some creepy evil carefully hidden in all the ruffles and pastels and manly-man wide stances.

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Wow - Mr./Ms. Eston is on a roll.

Check out this comment from spiritualsoundingboard.com:

The application did require a photo.......

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One of us. One of us. Gooble goble. Sorry, for the movie reference, I just couldn't resist.

I'm guessing that TW Eston is a pseudonym....perhaps even a word play.

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Someone earlier found a blog post by Doug (Phillips is a Tool) from 2003, which said the woman in question had just graduated. That would have put her about 18 at the time, and thus about 28 now. She'd have been about 21 when the issue with Jen happened.

How long has she been the nanny? Since she graduate or a few years after?

Not sure that "graduation" means the same thing to them as it does to someone actually getting an education. I read that as she had "graduated" in terms of being a proficient homemaker, ready to be a helpmeet. She sounded a lot younger than 18 in that piece; I put her around 15 at the time, but that's my interpretation which is, of course, prone to error. :mrgreen:

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Not sure that "graduation" means the same thing to them as it does to someone actually getting an education. I read that as she had "graduated" in terms of being a proficient homemaker, ready to be a helpmeet. She sounded a lot younger than 18 in that piece; I put her around 15 at the time, but that's my interpretation which is, of course, prone to error. :mrgreen:

According to Intelius, the presumed victim is now 29. It's unlikely, in my view, that she was a minor when the abuse occurred. But as others have said, given the power and age discrepancy between the two of them, I don't think there's any way this relationship could truly be described as "consensual."

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I'm guessing that TW Eston is a pseudonym....perhaps even a word play.

"Eston" was the name of one of the children of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. Just sayin'.

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I keep wondering what would happen if a VF woman had had an affair. What if Beall had been playing with a boytoy for years? Say a young intern from VF, or the son of a faithful family who provided free help to the family. Or if a teenage daughter of Doug's got caught with a boy or got pregnant. Would there be forgiveness and understanding? Or would the repentance need to go on for the rest of the poor woman's life? It's one thing to have sinned in the past, before joining the VF crowd. It's another to be one of them, female, and commit such a sin. I'm thinking a woman would be seen as damaged goods, permanently.

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Former victims of the philandering? How many are there?

I also would love to know who the interns who have talked about what they have witnessed are.

And the walls are crashing down. People need to come forward with what they know. Right now Dougie and his ilk are hoping that fellow supporters can hold them at bay with their 'gossip is a sin' bullshit. Well that's just guilting people into staying silent. People need to come out with what they know, because if they don't in a few years when this had died down, Dougie will be back in another guise and the hurt will start all over again.

I'd like to feel sorry for Beall right now, but honestly I can't. She has stood by and watched, joined in some times, while Dougie has used his position to hurt people. From what he has done to former members of his church, to what he has done to the 'other woman/women'. His was in a position of authority, a position of power, and he should have made sure he was whiter than white. He has abused the trust of far too many people and many of them don't even realise it.

Doug Phillips is an arsehole, never mind a tool.

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I'm guessing that TW Eston is a pseudonym....perhaps even a word play.

Reminds me of someone I know who has the nickname "T.W.", after the Winnie-the-Pooh book where Piglet says his grandfather's name is "Trespassers Will" or T.W. for short.

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Are the Pearls VF? anyway someone posted this on my Facebook, and the were mad!

examiner.com/article/another-couple-found-guilty-of-murder-for-parenting-by-to-train-up-a-child

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Newest update from Huffington Post:

huffingtonpost.com/julie-ingersoll/more-on-doug-phillips-and_b_4284402.html

There are important and disturbing developments in the Doug Phillips scandal that has rocked the Christian home school movement. As I noted in my earlier post, Phillips' carefully parsed initial resignation statement admitting to an "inappropriate relationship" raised more questions than it answered.

Now reports are circulating that the scandal may well have multiple levels including claims that the "relationship" was with a nanny, lasted between six and 10 years, and likely began when she was in her late teens. This would make biblical patriarchy's emphasis on authority combined with the way in which girls are intentionally kept vulnerable, dependent and submissive, crucially important. The young woman may or may not have been technically old enough to consent in Texas, but the context of biblical patriarchy would make this an abuse of power if not a crime.

You can visit these sites to see examples of the reports and discussions: No Longer Quivering; Spiritual Sounding Board; Homeschoolers Anonymous; Love, Joy Feminism; Rethinking Vision Forum. This is just a sampling and there are many others but it's worth noting that many sharing their stories on these sites are still conservative Christians and even home schoolers.

Phillips (trained as an attorney) is well known for his authoritarian and litigious style that permeates the organizations with which he has been associated and which results in carefully controlled messaging and image management as well as the silencing of critics. I have first-hand experience with this from my own fieldwork, but you can read about it in Kathryn Joyce's important book Quiverfull as well at those sites noted above.

Phillips has been owner/founder/leader of a number of organizations the boundaries of which have been blurry. Vision Forum Inc. is a privately held business that sells home schooling materials and Vision Forum Ministries,a tax exempt charitable enterprise; a 501©(3). Phillips resigned only from the tax exempt "ministry" on October 30 and shortly thereafter VFM announced that it would close completely. That leaves the business promoting biblical patriarchy fully operational.

Phillips was a founder and elder/pastor at Borne Christian Assembly. He resigned from that post some eight months ago, a fact which has come to light only recently but which does imply that at least a small circle of men have been aware of Phillips' hypocrisy and the details of his failing. It is telling that those closest to Phillips who likely know the details, are not rushing to his defense. One example would be Phillips' friend with whom he co-founded the National Center for Family Integrated Churches, Scott Brown. Brown's public comments have been in the form of a highly critical sermon.

Even in a second public statement from Phillips seeking to clarify the circumstances of his resignation he still has not apologized to the young woman. He asks for prayers for his "family, the Board, and the men of Vision Forum Ministries," but she is not on that list. She remains invisible. Worse yet at least one well-known Reconstructionist leader has publicly compared her to a stripper and a Delilah, predictably blaming her as a temptress for the fall of the mighty leader.

Critics have complained that there is too much conversation about this situation with limited access to provable facts. While certainly some of the discussion of the scandal can be characterized as gossip and innuendo there has also been a sustained, engaged, reflective and concerned conversation on a variety of blogs and discussion boards in which people have shared what they know about this specific situation, their own experiences as part of this world, insightful reflections on the impact of Quiverfull on those raised within it, as well as resources for those damaged by (or seeking to leave) that world.

If there is too much discussion without evidence, Phillips can resolve that. If a conversation about the inherent problems in biblical patriarchy highlighted by this scandal cannot be had until the facts are known with certainty, and those in power can prevent those facts from being known, then they can prevent the conversation. That this situation points to a carefully constructed set of institutions and rules designed and exploited to protect one in power from criticism is one more example of why this is more than a sex scandal.

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