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  1. From The Friendly Atheist (Article contains additional info and links) http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/03/24/an-oklahoma-school-had-a-christian-sex-educator-speak-to-kids-and-surprise-it-was-a-disaster/ Snippet
  2. I'm going to post this and then go scream outside or something. http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article128194164.html#fmp
  3. So I fell down a rabbit hole yesterday and discovered a family on You Tube who have 8 kids (all still at home), dress in matching colors, homeschool, and...wait for it...pipe audio Bible into every room of their home 24/7. They say it takes about 3 days to run through the entire Bible and then it just starts back up again in a continuous loop. Dad runs a computer shop out of the basement of the home and has it running there, too. I don't think the kids ever escape it. My question is...how wasn't this a Steve Maxwell idea??? If you're curious, do a search on You Tube for Andrea Mills. You can hear the audio Bible in the background, at least the ones I managed to get through. Oy.
  4. I thought this was amusing and just wanted to share. Happy Thursday FJers.
  5. Over on the Duggars by the Dozenty thread, @EmCatlyn mentioned this as a possibility of where Josh and Anna may be receiving their "professional counseling." Since we don't really know where they're going, I decided to give it its own thread here,(Mods, feel free to move it if there's a more appropriate place.) Holy rabbit hole, Batman! Did you know that: Teenagers are an invention of the rock 'n' roll culture? Don't play organized sports, because you might have to practice/play on Sunday or Wednesday nights, when you're supposed to be in church.(Interestingly, the author claims to have played professional baseball, but quit when he got saved and realized he needed to be in church on Wednesday and Sunday. If true, he never made it out of the minors.)
  6. Wade Burleson, I love you so hard....in a totally appropriate, agape way, of course. Many (most?) fundie churches take Paul's admonishment for women to be totally silent in church at face value. Wade Burleson unpacks the original Greek for us to show that Paul was actually dissing the Old Covenant Hebrew practices: By reading this article, you'll learn more about the Greek symbol eta used to indicate "Pffffft!" and what Paul actually meant. This is one of those linchpin passages in patriarchy, used to keep women in submission to headship, saying in essence, "Looky here, God says you can't even speak out loud in church!" and Burleson turns this understanding on its head. thewartburgwatch.com/2016/01/11/giftedness-vs-gender-guest-post-by-wade-burleson/ So the next time someone tells you, The Bible says women can't speak in church, lock and load some Wade Burleson and fire away. After reading this, I googled "Was the Apostle Paul a misogynist?" and there were several articles that argue the he wasn't and in fact, promoted the opposite, in ways that were incredibly revolutionary and shocking at the time. (I was raised a Christian but am no longer a practicing one, and have at this point only a cursory understanding of the bible. However, I find it interesting when a passage read literally can be re-interpreted using context to come to an understanding that is the opposite of what is generally understood.) Sadly, many of the commenters noted that there is a snowball's chance in hell that fundie preachers would be swayed to a new understanding of this passage by Wade Burleson's writing.
  7. Conservative Christians often throw around 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' and' judge not' I don't think they know what the verses mean. Jesus said 'casting stones' to save a woman from stoning.The Pharisees were supposed to bring the man for stoning, and they were only going to punish the woman. "Judge not' is refering ot superficial judgment. None of these verses are implying we should be sinless before calling out others for wrong doing.Here's a good explanation of 'judge not' http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html
  8. Some good news out of Tennessee today... washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/04/14/tennessee-governor-vetoes-bill-making-bible-the-official-state-book/?tid=sm_fb Kudos to Gov. Haslam for having the courage to do this. But yeah when your reich wing base finds out about this...
  9. I was just watching this video where Penn Jillette mentions that ACTUALLY READING the Bible in its full context is a big part of why he is now an atheist: This is not the first time that I have heard an atheist say this. I know a lot of former Jehovah's Witnesses who say that part of how they ended up rejecting the religion was by actually just sitting down and READING the Bible in its actual context, instead of just looking at the carefully hand-picked, often out of context quoting of the Bible that Watchtower magazines use (nowadays they encourage people to use an online app to look at their materials to make it easier to get people to focus just on the particular portions they want people to read). However, I have seen several fundies that we talk about on here talk about how they actually have read the Bible cover to cover. I am genuinely curious about how someone who believes in a LITERAL interpretation of the Bible and also really understands WHAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS reconciles some of the weird stuff in there. I mean, I can understand reconciling some of it if you are a Christian who doesn't take the Bible literally. However, these people believe that the whole thing is the literal truth handed down from God, so how do they reconcile some of the stuff that is illogical, contradictory, or distasteful to modern people like the stuff about offering up your daughter to be raped or the slavery stuff? Do any of you who grew up in fundie families have insights on what kind of mental gymnastics they use for this?
  10. New post up. Sarah talks about how she has read through the bible three times since 2011. Not surprising considering that is the only book she is allowed to read.
  11. I know that most fundies are loathe to avail themselves of government benefits, and would rather let their children go hungry (I'm looking at you, RODRIGUES PARENTS!!). Can any forum members raised in a Quiverfull or other fundie household shed some light on this? Is there a Biblical precedent? Is it pride? I sincerely do not understand why handouts from strangers are okay, but foodstamps are not. Like, it is causing so much cognitive dissonance for me, because I would 1,000 times take foodstamps over flat out asking anyone for money, ESPECIALLY a stranger! Is it cultural? I don't get it.
  12. This man has to keep repeating himself to what's her name: http://www.gawker.com/fox-news-amazed-that-a-bible-scholar-who-is-muslim-wr-940450217 The poor man keeps repeating himself, and all the interviewer cares about is why did he as a Muslim right a book about Jesus. Now I'm off to the Google Play store to see if I can buy and download this book.
  13. How many 'phantom' verses can you think of that are not real Bible verses but quotes or misinterpreted verses? "God helps them who helps themselves' was said by Ben Franklin. They sound Biblical,. but they are not.
  14. http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Said-What-T ... +said+what I ordered this gem after a friend of mine got one. The Amazon summary reads: The prologue reads: Its a short book, with pretty "deep" illustrations that go to the heart of the cherry picked passages. They focus on fun topics like rape, killing children for disobeying elders, misogyny, using wild animals to kill your enemies, various things that facebook wouldnt ban that would get you executed in biblical time... very cute. Its not a deep theological text but definitely makes its point. The Maxwells would not approve. Sorry, stevie! eta - you can borrow it for free on prime
  15. As it happens, I've heard a couple of Lutheran pastors discussing the 2nd chapter of the book of Titus. Guess what? There's more to it than the admonition for old ladies to encourage young ladies to be submissive! In fact, there are admonitions to the menfolk! Yes! Who *would* have known? Just for fun, here's a little partitioning out of the subjects. I've taken out the verse numbers for ease of reading. Anybody who's interested in counting up the number of verses toward women vs. those toward men can find the original here And just so I don't lose those of us who aren't interested in reading Scripture, here's why I'm posting this: I confess, throughout decades as a Christian, I've never studied Titus 2 nor heard much about it from the Lutheran pulpit. Until this past weekend, "Titus 2" was interchangeable with "the older women should stay home and indoctrinate the younger." There is, with apologies to the Botkinettes, SO MUCH MORE. Titus is told how to help the Christ-followers lead lives of peace and joy, so that people watching them will see that faith in Jesus produces good things. Men are to be instructed, as are women. Young men are expected to develop self-control ... the very idea! Mature men are to become *worthy* of respect - not demanding respect just because of their plumbing! I'd write more but it's past bedtime. And the more I write the less some folks might read to the important part. Anyway, here it is. Who knew. Does Steve Maxwell???? Titus 2 New International Version (NIV) What Titus should teach to his community in general: You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine. In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness & and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us. What he should teach the men (BTW, this is the second sentence in the chapter): Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance. Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. What he should teach the women: Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God. What he should teach those Christ-followers who were enslaved: Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive. And why should he teach this? Indeed, so that people are attracted to the Gospel of Jesus of Nazareth as they see the goodness in His followers: For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say "No"to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope; the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
  16. Interesting story. Christian mom in Georgia didn't like the Gideons handing out bibles at an elementary school. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/pare ... ered-here/
  17. Tracey Moody wrote an article about a Bible based Hallowen party she threw. It is on friendly atheist's site . http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... w-it-went/
  18. I was inspired to start that FJ Bible Study that we talked about in another thread a while back. The first entry is up on the blog here: http://www.freejinger.org/blog/2014/10/ ... sians-521/ Updated link:
  19. So, over at the Reconstructionist Theonomist facebook group, they are discussing polygamy inthe act of marrying one's relative's widow. Many view it as archaic or only for Israel, not us today, but not suprisingly, Vaughn Ohlman whose philosophy seems to be "old enough to bleed,old enough to breed" thinks there is no reason this policy ended. Now, he is more well known for his belief that 1) fathers get together an decide who of their children will marry, with none ofthis silly courtship or dating involved and 2) most fundies are marrying much too old and 3) parents can help their underage newly weds along because 4) the kids are sort of reporting to the husband's father for life anyway. I'm sure he would say I misunderstand, but that seems the gist of it to me. We've expected polygamy to be part of fundieism... here is one area it is beingdebated
  20. Some of you may have already seen this (in fact, from the fabulous snark, it's likely someone on FJ has contributed at some point) but it's good enough to share again. I present the Bible, translated into "proper, manly form": http://bible-mdv.tumblr.com/ (Not breaking the link because I figure the blog owner would love us. Also, I'd love to see more contributions if any of you brilliant FJers can come up with some.)
  21. Steve Green (president of Hobby Lobby) is planning to build a huge bible museum two blocks away from the mall that will open in 2017 (Smuggar is probably very excited). It will “bring to life the living word of God ... to inspire confidence in the absolute authorityâ€. He also "wanted to hand out Bible tracts to visitors, who would exit the museum singing 'Amazing Grace' ". However, he claims people of all faiths are welcome and he wants to take a scholarly approach to the Bible. I don't really know how he can combine those two things. This sounds like a very bad mix of religion and education. Does he really think that the average tourist will go there and become a Christian after going through this museum? Here's a long Washington Post article about it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... story.html
  22. I saw this article on the Huffington Post and immediately throught of FJ. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pete-enns ... lp00000592 Link not broken because it's a public news/blog site.
  23. You will have to click the link but it is pretty interesting and maybe makes more since on why humans suffer. \http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/three-answers-to-good-and_b_5748286.html Scripture once offered five answers to good and evil, but only two of them made it into the Bible as we now know it. The other three were cut as an accidental side-effect of bookmaking technology. Fortunately, history has not completely erased these ancient jewels, which survive to complement the Bible’s answer to the most timeless of questions, Why is my life like this? According to Deuteronomy, good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. Follow God’s ways and you will prosper. Stray from God’s ways and you will perish. This is the first answer to good and evil, and it’s simple, compelling, and attractive. The world is fundamentally fair. But even in antiquity, this theology’s biggest failing was evident: it doesn’t work. We all know good people who suffer and bad people who thrive. The Book of Job addresses this obvious shortcoming. There, the uber-righteous Job suffers almost unspeakable losses. Toward the end of the book, Job asks God why he has suffered so terribly. God answers along the lines of: “Who do you think you are? You don’t even know how I made the oceans. What makes you think you could ever understand good and evil, suffering and joy?†According to the Book of Job, life is fundamentally enigmatic. “God works in mysterious ways,†we might now say. Though potentially accurate, that theology doesn’t usually offer much help to people who are suffering. Three books that were almost lost explore good and evil more deeply. They are the Life of Adam and Eve, which tells the second half of the Adam and Eve story and details the first couple’s life after exile from the Garden of Eden; the Apocalypse of Abraham, which exposes Abraham’s childhood; and the Book of Enoch, which, among other things, explains the mysterious Watchers of Genesis.
  24. Ok, some how a close friend who has an insanely fundie past*, has decided to slip a bit back into the Bible and decided to suddenly try to lead me to bible study with her. I told her politely no, then had to be more firm about some small ways I don't follow or believe in the bible. Any way, I obviously didn't do it right as she is insisting that the Bible never condones rape, or creates rules for what I called "acceptable rape". So I thought I would first ask about where I can find these Scriptures, but that got me to thinking, what other Scriptures have you all come across that also had you shaking your heads, or in shock? ** Due to friendship I won't get into her past, but it involved home churching, extra minimalism to the point even same sexed children shared clothing, in the name of Pride and Jealously, Bible only schooling, with almost no Maths, they lived totally off the grid in the desert, and if they had a blog, I think they would have been a hit around here.
  25. A fundie-lite friend of mine posted this on Facebook.