Summary provided by: Sister Mozz
Young Ladies Christian Fellowship (YLCF.org, renamed in 2013 to Kindred Grace) was a website started in 1998 by Gretchen Glaser. Originally an off-shoot of a print newsletter, it eventually moved completely online and became one of the first and most well-known sites dedicated to Christian young ladies. It focused on the innocence and purity of girlhood and was the home of what they titled THE Index of Courtship Stories (http://web.archive.org/web/200607102122 ... p-stories/).
Early in the 2000's, Gretchen's YLCF Team Members grew to include her best friend Natalie Nyquist. The girls addressed each other as "sissy" and pictures of their occasional in-person meetings were highlighted all over the site. Natalie wrote and published "Quest for the High Places: Encouragement for the Waiting Heart" (http://web.archive.org/web/200607102122 ... tthoughts/) in 2005.
Gretchen was married in 2006 to Merritt Acheson, and their wedding was The Event for YLCF that year (http://web.archive.org/web/201205220316 ... n-wedding/)! Gretchen handed over the reigns of YLCF to Natalie, and she began her own blog (The Little Pink House gretchenlouise.com/little-pink-house/, now GretchenLouise.com). At the time of this writing Gretchen has three children and writes on glorious topics such as laundry, rhapsodizing on the joys of wife- and motherhood, while dropping hints that life may not be quite as glorious as she paints it to be.
The Event for YLCF in 2007 was Natalie's marriage to Rick Klein (http://web.archive.org/web/200712242156 ... /klein.htm). Their wedding was in October (http://web.archive.org/web/200710071258 ... .ylcf.org/). Natalie's father officiated their wedding and said that giving his only daughter in marriage was akin to "handing a Stradivarius to a gorilla". Rick seems to have been more of a gorilla than ever imagined, as the couple were separated by January and divorced a few months later.
Natalie spiraled after the divorce. Gretchen took back over at YLCF, commenting on the failure of Natalie's marriage by saying she believed that one day Natalie would find someone else, and she looked forward to dancing at their wedding. Natalie almost completely dropped offline, dealing with depression from the shattering of her much-dreamed-of marriage, and it has been hinted that she dealt with a mental illness even beyond depression during this time.
In late 2008 or early 2009, Natalie met James Ference (jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com/) at their church. After romancing her in whirlwind fashion, and not bothering to tell her he was still married to Wife #3, they made vows to each other and were "married" in April 2009, without telling any of Natalie's family or abundance of friends. Once his divorce was final from Wife #3 that summer, James and Natalie procured their marriage license in July.
Almost without explanation, in April 2009 most of Natalie's writings for YLCF had been scrubbed off the site. In May Natalie posted a statement in response (a link to which can be seen in the comments of this post: everlypleasant.com/2009/05/24/lost-or-just-misplaced/). Questioners have wondered how much about James Ference Gretchen knew to have pulled the plug so quickly, or if their scrubbing of Natalie had to do with the fact that Natalie married James without a courtship and without permission or even knowledge of her family. All ties between Gretchen and Natalie seem to have been severed at the time of Natalie's second marriage.
Natalie and James started their own blog at pursuethebeauty.com, which Natalie still maintains. FreeJinger caught wind that things were fishy with their marriage as early as April 2010 (http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/1589/L ... yle?page=1). Natalie turned a blind eye to anyone who contacted her about what was being posted online about James. The couple welcomed a son in December 2010. In January 2011 Natalie finally had enough suspicions to check out what people were saying, and confronted James about what she read online. They separated that month and divorced later that year through publication, as scumbag James was nowhere to be located.
Natalie came to FreeJinger to answer questions in this long thread: http://freejinger.yuku.com/reply/137292 ... ip-stories. She now occasionally posts on the raptured FJ as well.
After leaving James, Natalie moved to Chicago with her infant son to be near her parents. Her father is currently president of Moody Bible Institute (moody.edu/edu_MainPage.aspx?id=956). She has since converted to Orthodoxy, is taking classes to begin a career, and has taken a pen name under which she plans to eventually publish books.
Other YLCF Team Members back in the Natalie years were Ashleigh Baker (ashleighbaker.net/), who has since had her own world shaken and is unsure about her faith. In one of the FreeJinger threads Ashleigh makes an unwise appearance, accusing Natalie's mental illnesses of skewing her view. Also Lanier Ivester (laniersbooks.com/), Natalie's former "mentor," a childless wife who runs a small farm in her suburban Georgia home. Lanier's writing is wordy but nearly unreadable with its vagueness.
Since Feb. 2013 there have been some significant updates in Natalie's life:
Natalie has left the Orthodox church (http://www.prodigalmagazine.com/i-dont-like-church/). The type of church she currently attends, if she attends anywhere, is unknown.
In April 2013 Natalie revealed that she suffers from both retrograde and anterograde amnesia (http://pursuethebeauty.com/2013/04/21/amnesia-life/).
She graduated with a degree from the University of Chicago and now works as a proofreader for Moody Publishers. Her father is still president of Moody Bible Institute.
While one can no longer find any traces online of the pen name (Natalie Jacobs) she had chosen under which to pursue writing, except for archived snark discussions about it, Natalie is currently active in the process or writing and pitching her book to publishers under her real name. Presumably the book will be titled "Pursue the Beauty," the same as her website, and will focus on young Christian women overcoming life difficulties.
In April 2014 Natalie was published in HuffPo in an article called What It's Like To Be A Twice-Divorced Mom at 28 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/3 ... ir=Divorce). Free Jinger readers felt the article was inherently dishonest because it failed to mention how courtship and the purity culture played a major part in both of her marriages (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21723&hilit=natalie).
Natalie keeps very quiet on the subject of her son (3.5 years old as of this update) and does not publish pictures of him online, which is probably smart considering who is father is.
Speaking of James Ference, he appears to still be living with Wife #5, whom he "married" in a fake ceremony on Oct. 31, 2011 (http://jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com ... hhhhh.html), and then legally married in June 2013 (http://jamesferenceisaliar.blogspot.com ... up-we.html). The two seem to have had a son around the same time as their legal marriage (viewtopic.php?f=134&t=19607).
1 hour ago, foreign fundie said:
I can completely see this happen. One of my births, after 30 hours of labor, pitocin, no epidural, and killer contractions I was barely able to breath from exhaustion. I was only 4cm, but I was done. We were alone and I told DH, I am going to push now, because if I don't, I will never be able to do it. So I pushed like crazy, with every bit of strength I could muster, DH pushed the button as baby emerged, dr ran in and just caught her. I collapsed from exhaustion and the rest is a blur. My point, whoever decided on the C-section of the sister of someone you know did well. Mothers have limits.
I have huge respect for you, the idea of it having not progressed much after 30 hours does terrify me. Glad the baby was born safe and well. I think I'd probably take the c-section if I was offered it, it seems like the safest choice if the mother isn't going to be able to push, it might leave the baby at risk after all. I know c-section is a major surgery, but I'd like to think doctors (especially on something like the NHS) offer it for the right reasons and to the right people. I sincerely hope the Dillards and other fundie families consider that when making birth plans in the future, a 40 hour labour is nothing to joke about.0
1 hour ago, Nikedagain? said:
Can we be besties?
Yes! You seem awesome!
Also, if Jill does in fact read here, I just want to say a couple things.
Speaking for myself: I don't hate you Jill. I don't wish any harm on you. I am genuinely concerned about you and your children. I know I may say some snarky things sometimes but that doesn't mean that I don't care about the wellbeing of your family and others. If you are feeling really overwhelmed, sad, or lost then maybe it might help to go see a professional to talk to about it. There is absolutely no shame in that. I personally am a Christian and I believe that God puts certain people on this earth to help others, such as mental health professionals. If you need help and want to reach out to someone, it does not show defeat. It shows strength when you acknowledge that you want to make a change in your life and you are willing to seek guidance in doing so. It also shows great maturity and would show a great love for your family. Imagine how happy you guys could be!
Also, I'm not persecuting you for being a Christian. Like I said before, I am one too. If you feel like your calling is to spread the word of God as you understand it then that is great! But you also have to be tolerant of others that believe in other religions, are agnostic or atheist, and those who simply are not interested in religion and do not want to be hounded! It's all about love and acceptance- of EVERYONE- no matter what our differences may be. I try to honor my faith by being kind to and helping others without a hidden agenda of trying to convert them or preach to them. If a person that I help sees how happy and fulfilled I am, then maybe that may lead them to look into Christianity or spirituality or another religion. Quoting the program of AA: "its about attraction rather than promotion". Show others God's kindness through you. And if you help someone in need, isn't that enough?0
30 minutes ago, RhythmicSkater said:
Meanwhile facebook and FJ look like 'work' since they're on a computer
In the "who has got it worse" Olympics, I win! *does a tiny victory lap*. I wasn't allowed FJ. Oh, the cruel inhumanity of it all!0
I totally agree about the girls being incredibly self centred- hardly surprising given their cloistered and stifling upbringing. It has made them so fearful and judgemental about anything or anyone that is different to them.
The girls are each so talented, it's just a shame mama and papa Boyer haven't been able to encourage them to get out of the house and interact with the world.0
1 minute ago, Carm_88 said:
Well Joe is never going to job or parent his children. He's going to spend his time screaming about persecution and be a lazy ass.
True. But he's also never going to hold down a job with his poor hygiene and obvious personality disorders, but even if he could it would likely be minimum wage and thus not really worth it. This would be the path of least resistance, if he could be bothered to try.Just now, SweetLaurel said:
Okay - I understand your point, but disagree. One, the kids are basically home alone most days anyway according to what Nicole posts. The older kids would all be in school so couldn't parent full time, and the younger would probably be in a subsidized day care learning about real life. Or he could work nights, or her days off. Another regular income would take a lot of load off her. OMG who has to go back to work two weeks after giving birth, which was their plan all along, much less a week after almost dying giving birth while in deep grief? He sucks. Period.
Oh I am in no way disputing that. He sucks. I totally see your points. It is terrible that she has to go back to work so soon. Because of that, I would not at all begrudge them their gofundme for her to have some time off if Joe was the real house husband he claims to be. Some extra money would likely alleviate the burden on her shoulders, yes. But so would him actually, you know, parenting, cleaning, cooking, anything really. I guess if the littles qualify for subsidized daycare, then yes, he should get a job. I wasn't sure if Kentucky had such a thing.
I guess I'm speaking from the perspective of knowing that a single income household can work just fine if the at-home parent holds up their end of the bargain. They should embrace the social safety-net and do right by those kids, and I think they can do that with or without Joe working.1